madininagyal
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Sweet seed s.a.d. is Bomb , easy to grow, potent and her best feature is her taste
Elite Clone S1's, why do people hate on breeders for offering?
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since1991
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S1's done right or just lucky i have no problem with. Usually thats not the case. But to me its the name thing. Call s1's ....or even clone onlys bred with a stud male....something different. Old swerve really screwed up the scene calling his gear the same as clone onlys. Some of his gear was flame...even better...but ususally not. And truth be known the practice started with breeders and companys before him. Its just the timing with Cali Connection and the popularity with clone onlys was soaring. But yeah its a name thing to me. Call that shit something else. ..clone only it is not. I know cats that have ran 10 different Tahoes and still dont know what they got. Thanks Swerve. Blue Dream is notorious out here in the midwest for having s1's or bred with an unknown male seed plant cutting. Better and true cannabis strains would circulate more freely if people wasnt so quick to cash in on name hype of rare clone onlys. Shooting themselves in the foot in the long run. Headband is another. Please...i refuse to call my sour og a headband. That name is just generic anymore. Imagine what the real deal one and only headband was like. Most will never know. And the real Skunk va cut...most growers dont have it...i can almost guarantee that. To be honest...i try not to even fuk with anything called chemdog anymore. Besides chem sis or chem4 anything else is questionable at best. And lets be real....alot of not so serious growers with thousand watter in a dirty closet or basement are not going to differentiate between knockoff seeds or gifted/acquired clones. Its not a big deal to them. A ton of whack growers like that. Its not thier fault...they just dont take it seriously like alot of us on the forums. They are perpetuating the problem and dont even know it. Its a naming thing. The names dont mean much anymore. Or way less.
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Mr Hyde
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I see nothing wrong with offering something the market wants, however I do consider those who produce s1's to be somewhat of the hustler type like hyroot stated. When you are charging over 100 dollars for 5-6 seeds I just don't think the juice is worth the squeeze. But it also depends on which company and what practices were used. I found a really nice headband s1 and I found it to be a very very beautiful plant. Also grew out a couple gsc seeds I got from one of my plants. It was an odd 3 seeds from one plant and I was like fuck yeah. I got 2 that were amazing but slightly different and one that was a straight up crazy looking plant that I ended up chopping down cuz it just didn't look right at all and took forever to grow.
I am just happy that we can purchase seeds at all, customer service, freebies and politics bring me back to reality though.
I am just happy that we can purchase seeds at all, customer service, freebies and politics bring me back to reality though.
Odin*
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I would suck if someone received a cut as n "original", grew it out, it's "bunk", and are then turned off to that strain. When an opportunity arises to get that cut (only legit this time), they may turn it down due to bad past experience, only to lose out on a good cut.
I do want to thank the poor sons of bitches that seeded the shit out of their room. The beans my sis gave me are killer. I haven't smelled the chocolate coffee bubba musk in about 8, maybe 9, years. There is also what seems to be an OG X Cookie group also. These guys had some good cuts. Much appreciation to whoever you are.
"It would suck..."
Didn't catch that mistake in time.
Going back to S1/F1, I'm pretty sure that bag seed is more likely responsible for all of the OG variations than "different phenos" and "genetic drift". All of the oldschool OG's with uniform growth, lanky, with "golf balls", there's so many different noses (but still distinctly OG), high's, flavors. Too many to be covered by "phenos"/"drift" and you can't breed them to anything other than OG without changing the plant/bud structure. I think over the years there have been some really good S1/S2 bag seeds popped and from those you've had people with a couple (or more) OG variations that have intentionally/inadvertently handed out F1's that popped into something good. So if you consider that (presuming it's true), then we have to thank the plants that have tossed bananas and the growers that fucked up and made those bananas.
Odin*
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Was it ruderalis? In the Platinum GSC seeds I popped, there were 3 ruderalis. I let them get a few feet tall, didn't like the nodal spacing, chopped them. Anyways, I just figured there were some ruderalis in their grow, but if you got a ruderalis out of your GSC...
madininagyal
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There no ruderalis gen in gsc lol ruderalis give you autoflower
OGEvilgenius
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I hope so, trying the fast version OD this year...
goodro wilson
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I'm gonna buy some s1s tomorrow gg#4 and
Cherry pie
I know they won't be exact replicas of the clone onlys but in places cuts can't be sourced I say it's the next best thing to the real deal if it's a close representation
Also been looking at moxies grape kush s1
Cherry pie
I know they won't be exact replicas of the clone onlys but in places cuts can't be sourced I say it's the next best thing to the real deal if it's a close representation
Also been looking at moxies grape kush s1
Jp.the.pope
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Wheres the cherry pie at?
A lot of people don't live in a legal state and don't wount no males to waist there time on.I know I would rather grow fem, seeds now that iam getting older and cant grow acers of weed so I wount every plant to be a fem, plant and that will give you lots moor buds with a lot less plants and work.I am a grower not a breader so I have no need for males.but in the past I have pulled thousands of males..kyI think it's cause s1s carry a flea market knock off vibe that make both the seller and the buyer look thirsty. The buyer is looking for a close to (but not quite) representation of something they heard was hot rather than putting in work to find something good in regular packs, and the seller comes off like someone trying to cash in quickly on the hype and recognition of someone elses work.
Im not saying thats totally true or either party is bad in that scenario but if you aggregate most of what negativity there is concerning s1s it would be summed up that way.
s1 is like a clon but in seed form and better then a clone for outdoor in my book.ky
I got some of them growing rite now and they are looking great,from dr,d81............and iam glad to have them..ky
cherry pie is a late finisher from what I been told so the gg4 should shorten up its flowering to finish quicker at least I hope so, that's why that cross was made in fem,seeds.that I have growing..kyWheres the cherry pie at?
since1991
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Knowing a cut or seed is an s1 beforehand is one thing. Wasting time...labor...nutes...bulb life...medium...water...and electricity ($) on what you think you have...only to find out you dont after the fact is a real bummer. For instance...the Glue cut my cousin bought from the so called Glue Crew at the 2014 Cup in Flint was an S1. I banged my head on that fuker for a few runs....wondering what everyone was excited about. Small yield. Smell wasnt all that. Taste was ok at best. Good high was about it for what you put up with in lanky structure when growing. Acquired the real Glue recently and WOW. Mine was an s1....no doubting it now. And not a good S1 either. But then there is Blue Dream. The one me.and my cousin were running and thought was Dream was an Hso Dream most likely. The real is totally different. But the knockoff Dream is damn good. So good i want to monocrop it under one table and pull awesome weight of really exceptional smoke. So yeah S1's or knockoffs are hit or miss. But id like to know before running the cut...just what it is i got. I have a tester room. Everything new gets ran there first before moving into rotation. But that only goes so far if what you got isnt the same plant as what alot of growers have with the same name.
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Phatlewtz
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You are welcome sir! In the future can you please refer to me as "Worlds Shittiest Grower"...its a moniker I've earned!
Odin*
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You are welcome sir! In the future can you please refer to me as "Worlds Shittiest Grower"...its a moniker I've earned!
Keep fucking up, you're doing good work.
You don't have to grow fire to contribute.
You should put that on a shirt. I'd by one.
Phatlewtz
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I like it! Maybe I should have started that TShirt company afte rall!Keep fucking up, you're doing good work.
You don't have to grow fire to contribute.
You should put that on a shirt. I'd by one.
Phatlewtz
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Well it can never be said that I don't have hustle and drive...lets see how many quotes for equipment I get today. because I have 4 hours a day I waste on sleeping, might as well use it to make $$
amsterdammer
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Ofcourse a good knockoff can be great, but eventually they are just ripping off actual breeders work, I do not believe that certain companies test all their 30+ strains...ever, but rely on people buying cause they are cheap and well advertised.