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Slipup420

Slipup420

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There is a lot of lies when it comes to both units and miss leading info,, its all about sales at the end of the day right ??
For me it does not matter extremely happy with T5;s for my seed runs and 2 plant thrown in flower fun , I really tend to stay away from indoor growing all together then seedlings like i said . nothing will ever come close to what the sun is capable of producing and efficiency being its free
Since dedicating 10 acres to organic marijuana growing and spending money this year on SDI system fed by stream rather then hauling water out there, is going to make my life so much better and my guess is 20 - 30 percent increase in harvests with moisture monitor in place it put me behind a bit but plants are going in the ground tomorrow 500 of them my goal this year is to break 2200 pound mark dry yields. Now that is what i am talking about at unloading at whole sale price 1350 a pound quick sale ) 297,000 dollars 100,000 to tax leaves me 197,000 profit for plant and walk away 15,000 paid to trimmers etc this is small scale production one could very easily produce 10 - 20,000 pounds of weed in that area but its not coming out of my wallet to get there its out of profits to get to that stage , With employees etc
Guessing 5 years and 20,000 MJ plants and 80,000 pounds :)

Here T5 Grow 2 plants :) 432 watts 2.0 GPW IMG3230.jpg
 
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churchhaze

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Slipup420 said:
There is a lot of lies when it comes to both units and miss leading info,, its all about sales at the end of the day right ??
For me it does not matter extremely happy with T5;s for my seed runs and 2 plant thrown in flower fun , I really tend to stay away from indoor growing all together then seedlings like i said . nothing will ever come close to what the sun is capable of producing and efficiency being its free
Since dedicating 10 acres to organic marijuana growing and spending money this year on SDI system fed by stream rather then hauling water out there, is going to make my life so much better and my guess is 20 - 30 percent increase in harvests with moisture monitor in place it put me behind a bit but plants are going in the ground tomorrow 500 of them my goal this year is to break 2200 pound mark dry yields. Now that is what i am talking about at unloading at whole sale price 1350 a pound quick sale ) 297,000 dollars 100,000 to tax leaves me 197,000 profit for plant and walk away 15,000 paid to trimmers etc this is small scale production one could very easily produce 10 - 20,000 pounds of weed in that area but its not coming out of my wallet to get there its out of profits to get to that stage , With employees etc
Guessing 5 years and 20,000 MJ plants and 80,000 pounds :)
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No there aren't. There are only lies with the MARS panel. The cxb3590 datasheet is not a lie. You're a tinfoiler if you think CREE is lying to you in their datasheets.

http://www.cree.com/~/media/Files/Cree/LED-Components-and-Modules/XLamp/Data-and-Binning/ds-CXB3590.pdf

Edit: The CXB panels ttystick described will utterly destroy your T5s too btw.
 
greasemonkeymann

greasemonkeymann

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whitebb2727 said:
That wasn't directed to you. I don't think.

I'd say all of them can acclimate to it.

I just meant that strains that are from higher elevations have been exposed to higher amounts of UV for generations.

Its supposedly why places like the Hindu mountains have good weed.
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about ten yrs ago I moved from sea level to 3000 ft up, and I grew the same strains fro yrs at the time (jack herer and the SC bluedream)
anyways, that SAME strain outside, was noticeably stonier than the indoor one, even though the indoor looked a lil nicer, but the bluedream in particular was markedly stronger
and furthermore I got sunburnt up there in like 15 minutes too.

funny story on that, I got evicted by the landlord for growing herb on the property (legally)
and the funny thing was the husband I smoked out with regularly, but the wife didn't know about it.
hilarious
so the wife was a pot-Nazi
I didn't have the heart to roll him under the bus, the wife was a BITCH... so I figured i'd jump on that grenade for him. Considering I could always move, and that poor bastard had to sleep next to that bitch for eternity..
so I moved. Too bad too, the best outdoor I ever grew by far..
course the deer up there could strip my roses and pot plants overnight..
Nothing a fence can't fix though
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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churchhaze said:
What about blurple T5s?
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What about them? I use them. They work just fine. Its not the blurple I'm against. Its the cheap parts and the marketing hype.

You know I use them and trying to fire the arguing back up.

I use them in conjunction with other bulbs for full spectrum.

I'm still waiting on a pic of some fire weed from you.
 
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churchhaze

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The fact that people are still talking about T5 on a mainstream weed forum is troubling. You're harming both the economy and the environment by using 25% efficient T5HO lamps when 35% efficient HPS lamps are the convention, and 50-60% efficient cobs are the future.

You're going the wrong way

 
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singledigit midgit

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churchhaze said:
Just the fact that people are still talking about T5 on a mainstream weed forum is troubling. You're harming both the economy and the environment by using 25% efficient T5HO lamps when 35% efficient HPS lamps are the convention, and 50-60% efficient cobs are the future.

You're going the wrong way
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so are you saying they are not ready for growing yet?
 
RM3

RM3

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churchhaze said:
Just the fact that people are still talking about T5 on a mainstream weed forum is troubling. You're harming both the economy and the environment by using 25% efficient T5HO lamps when 35% efficient HPS lamps are the convention, and 50-60% efficient cobs are the future.

You're going the wrong way

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No, we're not. We're goin where "we " want and has nothing to do with you

don't you have a pile of COB's somewhere you need to play with
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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churchhaze said:
What do you mean what about them? You were comparing blurples to T5. I was pointing out that T5 can also be blurple. Also, if you've determined that blurples suck, why.... oh why in gods name... are you buying them???
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Blurple in itself is not bad. I think we will see that when people get their hands on that new company advertising on here with their multi colored cobs.

The cob part and efficiency is what make them better.

The pure par tubes I use are purple because they hit both red and blue spectrum and are far better than mars.

They hit the 420-470 and 620-670nm range. I use two of them with a mix of other bulbs.
 
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churchhaze

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RM3 said:
No, we're not. We're goin where "we " want and has nothing to do with you

don't you have a pile of COB's somewhere you need to play with
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Don't you have a bunch of overly blue tubes you need to return to? How about you take off and stop giving bad advice.
 
Slipup420

Slipup420

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All i am trying to relay is T5's ,Burple, Cobs HPS MH CMH, Plasma and even a flashlight will grow a plant ,, i did not come in here to start a fight against cob or led or HPS for that matter
Who really cares at the end of the day do, or use what works best for your situation i use T5's for seedlings and cuttings they work like a charm i also use Green houses , and land for final transplant and harvests
Church its like saying ??? ok i am going to think green and become a organic gardener start a big compost bin up guess what ???? your Contributing to green house gasses there fore your just as guilty as the next person ..
Cause remember what does composts piles release ??? I know Green house gasses
There is no right and wrong spreading must almost be over in most areas we finished month ago ?? you live out in the country ??? you ever get that strong smell of Shit ??? looming in the air ..
Also one can easily say well any grower using Grid power is wasting Electricity and responsible for pollution of rivers lakes and so on where power is being made its a never ending circle of you fucked something up realizing it or not .. or a part of

As for lies here is the biggest lie out there Cobs/ leds do not produce heat , sure you can improve efficiency by under driving them ... But you forget to mention your yields suffer in consequence.. with the reduction of wattage on the light so where does it all end ?? by saving pennies this is what it really amounts to pennies per month ..
Whats going to happen with a light source comes out 2 - 5 percent better efficient will everyone jump ship yet again .
for a whopping 5 percent efficiency

Here is some truth even placing a plant on window sill haha will out perform any indoor light made to date
Sure there is always going the be the fight between LED's and cobs nd even HPS ,, its becoming a moot point really do what suits your growing style and thoughts be happy grow grow grow ..
On closing note in all honesty with the confusion of LED wattage i would place bets that true 200 watt draw LED going against a 200 wart Cob end resuts are not going to be mind boggling its the people putting 400 watt Cob against the 400 watt LED unit only drawing 200 at the wall lol
 
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churchhaze

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Slipup420 said:
Church its like saying ??? ok i am going to think green and become a organic gardener start a big compost bin up guess what ???? your Contributing to green house gasses there fore your just as guilty as the next person ..
Cause remember what does composts piles release ??? I know Green house gasses
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That's interesting, but I grow DWC with calcium nitrate, potassium nitrate, monopotassium phosphate, magnesium sulfate, iron DTPA 10%, manganese sulfate, sodium borate, and sodium molybdate.

Please quote where I said that growing organically is better for the environment? Nowhere.. As @Sativied loves to say, Straman argument!!

Soil vs potting mix vs hydro isn't black and white like saving energy is. Even the most conservative people would likely agree that using less energy to get the same result is good for the environment. Certainly they'd agree it's better for the economy.
 
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churchhaze

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Slipup420 said:
As for lies here is the biggest lie out there Cobs/ leds do not produce heat , sure you can improve efficiency by under driving them ... But you forget to mention your yields suffer in consequence.. with the reduction of wattage on the light so where does it all end ?? by saving pennies this is what it really amounts to pennies per month ..
Whats going to happen with a light source comes out 2 - 5 percent better efficient will everyone jump ship yet again .
for a whopping 5 percent efficiency
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This quote is wrong on many levels.

1) Even at test current (not under-driving), the top bin CXB3590 3000k 80cri is about 41% efficient. This clobbers MARS and holds it's grounds to DE HPS efficiency.

2) When people under-drive, they don't reduce the wattage because MORE COBS makes up for the lost wattage. You totally miss the point if you're not seeing this.

3) By your logic, a light coming out that's 2-5% more efficient should also cause T5 and HPS growers to jump ship. Your shit just got older too. You're making the assumption that people who invest in cobs inherently need to have the newest technology at all times. A 50% lamp doesn't all of the sudden become bad because a 60% lamp comes out... but your T5's are starting to look pretty bad. It's time for them to jump ship.
 
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churchhaze

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As for a "whooping 5% in efficiency", to put things in perspective, if you increase your T5 lamps from 25% to 30%, you'd be getting 20% more light.

There's your "whopping 5%".

An increase like that would make T5 decent.

A 100W lamp increasing from 40% to 65% efficiency would be like adding the entire output of a 100W T5 lamp to the 40% lamp. The 65% is literally 1 T5 more powerful than the 40% lamp. It's that much better than T5.

Here's a visual for those who need it:

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RM3

RM3

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churchhaze said:
As for a "whooping 5% in efficiency", to put things in perspective, if you increase your T5 lamps from 25% to 30%, you'd be getting 20% more light.

There's your "whopping 5%".

An increase like that would make T5 decent.

A 100W lamp increasing from 40% to 65% efficiency would be like adding the entire output of a 100W T5 lamp to the 40% lamp. The 65% is literally 1 T5 more powerful than the 40% lamp. It's that much better than T5.
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DraculaReactor said:
Ditch your T5s and cop some of these maffuks:

https://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10013316/2250000-cree-cxa2530-60w-4000k-6000lm-cob-led-array
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Take the COB nonsense somewhere else, no one here cares for your crap
 
Evil-Mobo

Evil-Mobo

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Ok guys for further testing, and to kill my curiosity, I went and got some 54w Phillips bulbs and gonna try running them and see what happens.
 
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