What does molasses do?

[Rasta Roy]

1/2 cup of molasses is way too much. you only need about 3-5 tbsp for 5 gal compost tea. 1/2 cup molasses will make the tea take days til it's ready. Unless you're making a concentrated tea that's going to be diluted to a 30 gallon tea

To the op if you are just looking for macro nutrients. Then rock dusts are a far better option than molasses. It's like a steak dinner vs candy and soda. Microbes love rock dusts too.

1/2 cup is only 8 tbsp...it's just my recipe that works for me. I would always encourage people to experiment and find what works for them.

 

[Chronikool]

Soil test at all?

Nah....would be pretty interesting though..probably over doing it a bit...but just routine now.

 

[testiclees]

Nah....would be pretty interesting though..probably over doing it a bit...but just routine now.

Get any purple petioles?

 

[hyroot]

1/2 cup is only 8 tbsp...it's just my recipe that works for me. I would always encourage people to experiment and find what works for them.

too much molasses will promote too much bacteria growth and tying up nitrogen. requiring more nutrients. You should try using less molasses and add kelp meal and pureed oats to balance out the bacteria and fungi. The fungi feed off the kelp and oats.

fish hydroslate or sucanat are better options than molasses in a compost tea. Especially during flower



http://theunconventionalfarmer.com/recipes/fish-fertilizer/

 

[Chronikool]

Get any purple petioles?

Alwayz...and purple internodes...

 

[testiclees]

Alwayz...and purple internodes...

I bet somethings a lil outta whack. i was in same boat. i soil tested last autumn. this season with amendment provided by soil lab Zero purple petioles. not sure how much it matters but it's satisfying to have it solved. my last chopped plant yielded 8+ in a15g

 

[testiclees]

too much molasses will promote too much bacteria growth and tying up nitrogen. requiring more nutrients. You should try using less molasses and add kelp meal and pureed oats to balance out the bacteria and fungi. The fungi feed off the kelp and oats.

fish hydroslate or sucanat are better options than molasses in a compost tea. Especially during flower.



http://theunconventionalfarmer.com/recipes/fish-fertilizer/

Pretty sure there is recent research showing thst molasses benefits both fungal and bacterial growth.

Microbe man discourages the use of kelp in act. Do you have any microscopy validated study (or legit citation) to support that kelp is effective in funghi focused act?


Your plants often exhibit purple petioles as well.

 

[Chronikool]

I bet somethings a lil outta whack. i was in same boat. i soil tested last autumn. this season with amendment provided by soil lab Zero purple petioles. not sure how much it matters but it's satisfying to have it solved. my last chopped plant yielded 8+ in a15g

Yeah...ive read a bit on it...anything from phosphorus, nitrogen, genetix, temperature, response to stress and LED light source. Sort of just left it ya know...lazy routine sort of thing...

So you just sent a soil sample from each of your pots and mixed it to average it out....then sent for testing..? During growth? Flowering? After havest..?

Soo what was in your amendment that remedied it..?

Actually...ill look tonight again...and see whatz up..dont really notice it ya know.

 

[hyroot]

Pretty sure there is recent research showing thst molasses benefits both fungal and bacterial growth.

Microbe man discourages the use of kelp in act. Do you have any microscopy validated study (or legit citation) to support that kelp is effective in funghi focused act?


Your plants often exhibit purple petioles as well.

I just had an argument with Tim Wilson the other day. defending his overpriced brewer. The price os because of the diffuser he made. That man is salesman first. his claim to fame is he sold some microscopes to the Smithsonian. He uses that as a reference to his knowledge and the money he spent. He talks shit on Ingham even though most books and his results are based on her work. the guy is a hippiecrite (hypocrite)


anyway

teaming with microbes



read all of chapter 4 in teaming with microbes.

 

[testiclees]

Yeah...ive read a bit on it...anything from phosphorus, nitrogen, genetix, temperature, response to stress and LED light source. Sort of just left it ya know...lazy routine sort of thing...

So you just sent a soil sample from each of your pots and mixed it to average it out....then sent for testing..? During growth? Flowering? After havest..?

Soo what was in your amendment that remedied it..?

Actually...ill look tonight again...and see whatz up..dont really notice it ya know.

I didnt send the sample specifically for the purple. i was trying to get my ratios right so i sent in a sample. i let t cook a long while. i sent it 11/15. the amendment tbey suggested had a bunch of stuff in it. ive got the results on file if youre interested.

But like i said im not sure that it is super impt.

 

[Rasta Roy]

too much molasses will promote too much bacteria growth and tying up nitrogen. requiring more nutrients. You should try using less molasses and add kelp meal and pureed oats to balance out the bacteria and fungi. The fungi feed off the kelp and oats.

fish hydroslate or sucanat are better options than molasses in a compost tea. Especially during flower



http://theunconventionalfarmer.com/recipes/fish-fertilizer/

It's better to leave kelp and fish hydrolysate out of your compost tea, it slows down microbe growth.

If you want to encourage early fungal growth then you mix some steel cut oats into some compost and wet with some water and a tiny bit of Molasses and let sit for a week. It'll grow a nice white beard and then you make your compost tea.

Annuals thrive off of bacterial growth more than fungal growth (not that fungal growth doesn't have its place), my plants dont seem to have any problems uptaking nitrogen but I brew my teas for closer to 48 hours than 24 so maybe the excess molasses doesn't bother girls because it's got the extra time to get eaten up.

 

[hyroot]

It's better to leave kelp and fish hydrolysate out of your compost tea, it slows down microbe growth.

If you want to encourage early fungal growth then you mix some steel cut oats into some compost and wet with some water and a tiny bit of Molasses and let sit for a week. It'll grow a nice white beard and then you make your compost tea.

Annuals thrive off of bacterial growth more than fungal growth (not that fungal growth doesn't have its place), my plants dont seem to have any problems uptaking nitrogen but I brew my teas for closer to 48 hours than 24 so maybe the excess molasses doesn't bother girls because it's got the extra time to get eaten up.

No it doesn't slow all microbe growth it slows bacteria from producing and over growing / exploding. Again you don't want too much bacteria. It binds nutrients. You need the fungi to feed the plants . if you have only bacteria then you will have issues.

 

[testiclees]

I just had an argument with Tim Wilson the other day. defending his overpriced brewer. The price os because of the diffuser he made. That man is salesman first. his claim to fame is he sold some microscopes to the Smithsonian. He uses that as a reference to his knowledge and the money he spent. He talks shit on Ingham even though most books and his results are based on her work. the guy is a hippiecrite (hypocrite)



anyway

teaming with microbes

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read all of chapter 4 in teaming with microbes.

I love lowenfels book but he isnt a trained scientist or professional academic with access to current tech or theory. Hes a garden writer/ attorney. hes been discredited on several points. ingham's science is more like a personality cult. her cred is tenuous. Some of her claims are preposterous.

i would view your points as credible if you posted microscopy data documenting your claims. Do you work with a microscope when you brew? Microbe man's cred as an ACT expert cant be refuted by your label of "sales man". I cant think of any other ACT advocate who has documented their studies, online, with expert microscopy.
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"You need fungi to feed the plants" has the vague sciencey vibe that ingham uses to pacify her wisdom seeking acolytes.

Do you have an explanation for the purple petioles seen on many of the photos of your plants?

 

[hyroot]

I love lowenfels book but he isnt a trained scientist or professional academic with access to current tech or theory. Hes a garden writer/ attorney. hes been discredited on several points. ingham's science is more like a personality cult. her cred is tenuous. Some of her claims are preposterous.

i would view your points as credible if you posted microscopy data documenting your claims. Do you work with a microscope when you brew? Microbe man's cred as an ACT expert cant be refuted by your label of "sales man". I cant think of any other ACT advocate who has documented their studies, online, with expert microscopy.
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"You need fungi to feed the plants" has the vague sciencey vibe that ingham uses to pacify her wisdom seeking acolytes.

Do you have an explanation for the purple petioles seen on many of the photos of your plants?

Microbe man isn't a scientist or professional academic either. He even says he's self educated on his website. Ingham has a masters and PhD in microbiology. What claims are so preposterous? You do know microbes man's work and teaming with microbes is all based on Inghams work. Evening the first few pages of Teaming With Microbes it says that.

 

[testiclees]

Microbe man isn't a scientist or professional academic either. He even says he's self educated on his website. Ingham has a masters and PhD in microbiology. What claims are so preposterous? You do know microbes man's work and teaming with microbes is all based on Inghams work. Evening the first few pages of Teaming With Microbes it says that.

Im not a student of wilson or ingham. I am aware that ingham is credentialed and widely revered for her soil biology teachings. I associate some of her teachings, perhaps wrongly, with blind faith in compost, sanctimonious denouncement of salts and misidentification of micro organisms.

Her positions are criticised beyond her quarrels with tim wilson. Over on TLG if you search ingham youll find students, other academics and gardeners all refuting points of her teachings.

Does Elaine or Jeff present validated data that supports the kelp fungi relationship in act? The last time i checked out an ingham microscopy video the validity id's were questioned.

 

[hyroot]

from microbe man's website. which he does not at all say not use this or that. He just simply states what they do. Almost word for word of what's in teaming with microbes. In fact he even says using kelp in a tea is definitely good to use.

I think you guys either forgot what you read or misinterpreted it.









Testi you still didn't say what was propasterous. You just said other people don't agree with her .

 

[testiclees]

from microbe man's website. which he does not at all say not use this or that. He just simply states what they do. Almost word for word of what's in teaming with microbes. In fact he even says using kelp in a tea is definitely good to use.

I think you guys either forgot what you read or misinterpreted it.


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Testi you still didn't say what was propasterous. You just said other people don't agree with her .

Gotcha, so is microbe man your source for the statement you made about kelp and fungi?

Its preposterous for a soil scientist not be aware that one can poison your soil with compost. Also ridiculous to flatly assert that mineral salts kill biology. Whitcomb proved this false back in the 80s.

 

[hyroot]

Gotcha, so is microbe man your source for the statement you made about kelp and fungi?

Its preposterous for a soil scientist not be aware that one can poison your soil with compost. Also ridiculous to flatly assert that mineral salts kill biology. Whitcomb proved this false back in the 80s.

uh no . I just showed that you don't know what you read . if you even read anything or you are just reiterating someone elses posts. Either way you were wrong

Pretty sure there is recent research showing thst molasses benefits both fungal and bacterial growth.

Microbe man discourages the use of kelp in act. Do you have any microscopy validated study (or legit citation) to support that kelp is effective in funghi focused act?

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[testiclees]

uh no . I just showed that you don't know what you read . if you even read anything or you are just reiterating someone elses posts. Either way you were wrong

Youre a clown. Youve shown, not for the first time, that your head is way up your sphincter. You have posed as an expert on the cultivation of micro organisms without having used a microscope. Your dismissive tone is as misguided as your slavish devotion to refuted theories.

 

[hyroot]

Youre a clown. Youve shown, not for the first time, that your head is way up your sphincter. You have posed as an expert on the cultivation of micro organisms without having used a microscope. Your dismissive tone is as misguided as your slavish devotion to refuted theories.

So you make an ass out of yourself by giving bad info and misquoting yet again. So instead of conceding, you attack me and talk shit. Way to make yourself look even worse again.

I didn't refute any proven theories. You didn't say any.