Ttystikk's vertical goodness

Dr.D81

Dr.D81

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ttystikk said:
Sweet, bro! They look good. I am having some teething problems with cloning and switching to coco but all in all I'm doing all right.
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Man as for the cloning sometimes we just have to find what works for us not what is working for others. I have had to change methods every 6 months to a year it seems like. shit will be working great then go to shit. I am liking the rock wool cloning now and working on gettingit just right. On the aerocloners I had much better luck with the bucket ckoner over the one you have. I traded it off then he ended up buying a bucket ckoner from me
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Dr.D81 said:
Man as for the cloning sometimes we just have to find what works for us not what is working for others. I have had to change methods every 6 months to a year it seems like. shit will be working great then go to shit. I am liking the rock wool cloning now and working on gettingit just right. On the aerocloners I had much better luck with the bucket ckoner over the one you have. I traded it off then he ended up buying a bucket ckoner from me
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I went to school on the methods of a guy who gets great success.
 
Og Kushman

Og Kushman

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sixstring2112 said:
yeah so without clusterfuckin that other thread i thought i would post in here.these both went from t5 to gavita.under the t5 they are within 2 inches of the tubes.under gavita i have them about 24 to 30 in away.my point is the intensity prob aint what has them messed up unless you have those cobs so close they are cooking them,like 6 to 12 in away?
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thats ^^^8 days in from t5 and shes sitting under a cluster of 3 gavita set at 825w

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same gig here,this plant prob has more light than any other i have grown in a long time lol.like about 80w per sq ft haha,my shop is low on plants right now so i just give her some extra space.but if i turn off too many lamps ill have hot spots .
i do see growing plants under the mars panel is quite a change up,those plants need alot more calmag than i have ever used on my stuff.it took me a few runs to figure out why the plants under led always looked hungry. im guessing your cobs are too close or the plants dont like what they are being fed under those lights.different spectrums different food needs type of thing.
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What size pot is that behemoth in and what kind of soil if you dont mind me asking?
 
Larry {the} Gardener

Larry {the} Gardener

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Dr.D81 said:
Man as for the cloning sometimes we just have to find what works for us not what is working for others. I have had to change methods every 6 months to a year it seems like. shit will be working great then go to shit. I am liking the rock wool cloning now and working on gettingit just right. On the aerocloners I had much better luck with the bucket ckoner over the one you have. I traded it off then he ended up buying a bucket ckoner from me
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My 5 gallon bucket cloner did alright with Yellow pear tomatoes. 5 of the 6 grew roots in a week. Got 6 pepper cuts in it now. Next will be some of the Deer Ate CP1.

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OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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Oh hell, don't make me break out my okie cloner.
Been there, done that, water sprayer, bubbler, root riot type plug and all. The most successful thing for me is this makeshift flood tray with KLN solution and no dome. Flood every 4 hours with Grodan Macro plugs.

I soak my cuts and macro plugs in kln solution for a couple hours before putting them into the system and mist once or twice a day when I remember for the first couple days.
Are you soaking your cuts before putting them into the cloner? Seems to make a big difference on keeping them hydrated for that first critical period.
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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sixstring2112 said:
@ttystikk did you ever get that rev micro de ballast n lamp combo hung up and growing ? im curious o n that lamp ,like how hot it gets and what type of footprint it throws down
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With the DE HPS lamp it came with, I'd say it throws a footprint very similar to a Gavita.

I couldn't tell if it was producing more light, because the place it was set up was getting too hot.

I'm about to reconfigure it for running a remote lamp, and I'll put an 860W CDM Allstart lamp on it. I want to see how much brighter it makes one vs running a mag ballast.
 
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benbud89

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Hi TT, you probably have this somewhere, but I couldnt see it in the last 30 pages, or so, which are about the led grow. How many w/sq ft do you end up with? Im about to set up my 4x2, 2 x 200w, 40" long bars, and I was just wondering how Id do verticalling those bars instead of a usual scrog. Im only thinking about it, just to spice things up. If I go with a regular scrog, Id have 50w/sq ft, whereas if I vertical it, I should 4' wide, 4.sth' up, should give around 16sqft and 25 w a sq feet, but, it would be over two bars, so the spread might not be superb. What would you do? Id probably get away with the regular two monts veg time, since mine's not as tall as yours. I hope its okay my way of posting. I like your dried bud pictures, thumbs up! :)
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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benbud89 said:
Hi TT, you probably have this somewhere, but I couldnt see it in the last 30 pages, or so, which are about the led grow. How many w/sq ft do you end up with? Im about to set up my 4x2, 2 x 200w, 40" long bars, and I was just wondering how Id do verticalling those bars instead of a usual scrog. Im only thinking about it, just to spice things up. If I go with a regular scrog, Id have 50w/sq ft, whereas if I vertical it, I should 4' wide, 4.sth' up, should give around 16sqft and 25 w a sq feet, but, it would be over two bars, so the spread might not be superb. What would you do? Id probably get away with the regular two monts veg time, since mine's not as tall as yours. I hope its okay my way of posting. I like your dried bud pictures, thumbs up! :)
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I'm currently running 900W of COB LED per 6' tall x 4' wide = 24sq ft trellis panel.

That comes out to 37.5W/sq ft, but this can be misleading. If I ran this watt density in HID - and I have - I'd end up with decent bud but it wouldn't be as dense. Why?

It boils down to PPfD; watts times the efficiency coefficient of the lamp. Depending on how softly they're driven, COB LED can be anywhere from the high thirties to over seventy percent efficient at converting watts into PAR! By contrast, most HID lamps are in the low thirties to barely 40%- when they're new. (They deteriorate rapidly with use, needing replacement every 6-12 months. COB LED doesn't deteriorate in the same way, or at the same rate, lasting far longer.)

Another way of saying this is that you need up to twice the watts of HID lighting as one would of COB LED lighting to get the same PAR on the canopy.

Instead of skimping, I just built a COB LED rack that uses the same watts as the HID lighting it's replacing in an effort to quantify exactly what the performance difference is.

...and the difference is substantially more weed of better quality. That sums it up quite nicely.

I don't recommend using less watts per square foot on a vertical trellis than a horizontal SCRoG. The same plants need the same light, regardless of orientation.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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20160623_215615.jpg I stayed distracted all day; i just finished a major overhaul of my clone zone including new nutes, new light and a custom water chilling system to keep the cloner temps in check. Now it's full of cuts, sooooooooo it's officially proof in the pudding time!

I even bought a BlueLab guardian to continuously monitor pH, EC and temperature. No more guesswork, shit's gonna be on point from here out!
 
kiwipaulie

kiwipaulie

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ttystikk said:
View attachment 3715689 I stayed distracted all day; i just finished a major overhaul of my clone zone including new nutes, new light and a custom water chilling system to keep the cloner temps in check. Now it's full of cuts, sooooooooo it's officially proof in the pudding time!

I even bought a BlueLab guardian to continuously monitor pH, EC and temperature. No more guesswork, shit's gonna be on point from here out!
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Argh. Bluelab. Excellent quality - NZ made :)
 
Alaric

Alaric

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ttystikk said:
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I even bought a BlueLab guardian to continuously monitor pH, EC and temperature. No more guesswork, shit's gonna be on point from here out!
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Don't forget humidity.

Monitor and control is a major factor for me choosing water culture.

Are all the ins / outs connectorised (sp) on that blue lab monitor?

On my tri meters If (when) a probe/power supply goes bad-------have to replace the whole meter----yuk.

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ttystikk

ttystikk

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Alaric said:
Don't forget humidity.

Monitor and control is a major factor for me choosing water culture.

Are all the ins / outs connectorised (sp) on that blue lab monitor?

On my tri meters If (when) a probe/power supply goes bad-------have to replace the whole meter----yuk.

A~~~
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Halfway; EC/temp probe is permanent, pH probe is replaceable.

I get three to four years out of a portable combo meter, and that's constant use.
 
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