Mammoth P and Music experiment

[Kevin the Great]

I received the Mammoth Microbes the other day and have decided to toss it into the experiment arena...
I have a Strain Hunters "Money Maker" that I will be cloning and taking the 4 most viable clones for testing.
2 grow cabinets each with identical airflow, light intensity (same cobs, same power, same layout, same distance to plants) all variables are minimal with the only differences being that 2 plants will be getting the Mammoth treatment and 2 plants will be in a cabinet that plays music for 2 hours twice a day.

Plant 1, control plant, organic soil, rainwater, silent chamber.
Plant 2, organic soil, rainwater with Mammoth microbes, silent chamber.
Plant 3, organic soil, rainwater, music played for a total of 4 hours daily.
Plant 4, organic soil, rainwater with Mammoth microbes, music played for a total of 4 hours daily.
The music will be a Zen relaxation track of nature set to come on an hour before lights on and off and play for 2 hours each time. My attempt at mimicking the most active time of birds.
Are there any suggestions, constructive criticism? Something I'm missing?

 

[The303Yeti]

I received the Mammoth Microbes the other day and have decided to toss it into the experiment arena...
I have a Strain Hunters "Money Maker" that I will be cloning and taking the 4 most viable clones for testing.
2 grow cabinets each with identical airflow, light intensity (same cobs, same power, same layout, same distance to plants) all variables are minimal with the only differences being that 2 plants will be getting the Mammoth treatment and 2 plants will be in a cabinet that plays music for 2 hours twice a day.

Plant 1, control plant, organic soil, rainwater, silent chamber.
Plant 2, organic soil, rainwater with Mammoth microbes, silent chamber.
Plant 3, organic soil, rainwater, music played for a total of 4 hours daily.
Plant 4, organic soil, rainwater with Mammoth microbes, music played for a total of 4 hours daily.
The music will be a Zen relaxation track of nature set to come on an hour before lights on and off and play for 2 hours each time. My attempt at mimicking the most active time of birds.
Are there any suggestions, constructive criticism? Something I'm missing?

Dr. masaru emoto does some really crazy experiments involving water and how its effected by human emotion and music. Check out his rice experiment.

 

[MisterBlah]

There's been some research on sound and plant growth. It's stupid and doesn't seem to follow a lot of intuitive logic, but it does seem to do something, to say the least.

Now, in regards to Mammoth P. This is a phosphorus fixing bacteria that has been specifically isolated. You'd be better off using a Mycorrhizae/Tricoderma blend.

 

[testiclees]

There's been some research on sound and plant growth. It's stupid and doesn't seem to follow a lot of intuitive logic, but it does seem to do something, to say the least.

Now, in regards to Mammoth P. This is a phosphorus fixing bacteria that has been specifically isolated. You'd be better off using a Mycorrhizae/Tricoderma blend.

I tried out Mammoth and cant say i noticed anything positive.

But a few folks with good credibility are claiming improved outcomes, including @Growmau5.

I'm gonna give it another shot.

@Kevin the Great
bro, where did you purchase Mammoth? I didnt find an online supplier

 

[Kevin the Great]

There's been some research on sound and plant growth. It's stupid and doesn't seem to follow a lot of intuitive logic, but it does seem to do something, to say the least.

Now, in regards to Mammoth P. This is a phosphorus fixing bacteria that has been specifically isolated. You'd be better off using a Mycorrhizae/Tricoderma blend.

I already have Mycorrhizae as well as other bacteria blends that I cannot recall nor spell at the moment. This is more of a test specifically for the Mammoth and Music. I realize that it will not be a definitive test but more of contributing data.

 

[Kevin the Great]

I tried out Mammoth and cant say i noticed anything positive.

But a few folks with good credibility are claiming improved outcomes, including @Growmau5.

I'm gonna give it another shot.

@Kevin the Great
bro, where did you purchase Mammoth? I didnt find an online supplier

I found some on ebay but it is quite expensive.
I sent my proposed test info to Mammoth and they sent me an impressive "sample" for testing.
Depending on your location, they do list local suppliers on their website.
With claimed improvements of 16% yield it should pay for itself with 1 run.

 

[MisterBlah]

I didn't realize you were already using other bacteria blends. That being said, you will not likely see much of a change. If you weren't using any bacteria at all, you would see a mild benefit to Mammoth P. And a larger one with a bacteria blend like you already use.

 

[Taylor Eidt]

I agree with testicles on this one. Ive used Mammoth P for a few rounds. I saw a slight increase in dry weight but I also saw a slight drop off in quality. I also inoculate with Great White when i transplant my clones and when I transplant into the raised flower beds I flower in. Its expensive stuff and the owner of my grow shop always gave me a discount. Hope this helps

 

[Evil-Mobo]

I tried out Mammoth and cant say i noticed anything positive.

But a few folks with good credibility are claiming improved outcomes, including @Growmau5.

I'm gonna give it another shot.

@Kevin the Great
bro, where did you purchase Mammoth? I didnt find an online supplier

Amazon if in the US

 

[The303Yeti]

There's been some research on sound and plant growth. It's stupid and doesn't seem to follow a lot of intuitive logic, but it does seem to do something, to say the least.

Now, in regards to Mammoth P. This is a phosphorus fixing bacteria that has been specifically isolated. You'd be better off using a Mycorrhizae/Tricoderma blend.

Agreed that it does do something. It might work or not but calling something new stupid is ignorance at it's finest. I wonder how many people were told something was stupid and wouldn't work and they changed the world.

 

[waterproof808]

Have you heard of the BioWave Subsonic Harmonic Wave machine? Its like a giant tuning fork that spins and emits plant growth frequencies and the makers claim to increase yields up to 20%.
http://www.hydrogalaxy.com/hydroponics/bio-wave-indoor-unit/?gclid=CL-UyYK5zs0CFRVsfgodnKQMTw
http://www.hydrogalaxy.com/hydroponics/bio-wave-indoor-unit/?gclid=CL-UyYK5zs0CFRVsfgodnKQMTw
Havent really heard much reviews on this item though, it is pretty spendy.

 

[Lucky Luke]

I belive the studies have already been done.

Classical music at a quiet volume works. Heavy metal doesn't.

https://dengarden.com/gardening/the-effect-of-music-on-plant-growth

 

[bbyb420]

Mammoth P seems like BS to me. Overpriced and the people that swear by it seem to already be great growers themselves.

Better off spending that money on Teaming with Microbes for a good understanding on the soil food web.

 

[fearnoevil]

I received the Mammoth Microbes the other day and have decided to toss it into the experiment arena...
I have a Strain Hunters "Money Maker" that I will be cloning and taking the 4 most viable clones for testing.
2 grow cabinets each with identical airflow, light intensity (same cobs, same power, same layout, same distance to plants) all variables are minimal with the only differences being that 2 plants will be getting the Mammoth treatment and 2 plants will be in a cabinet that plays music for 2 hours twice a day.

Plant 1, control plant, organic soil, rainwater, silent chamber.
Plant 2, organic soil, rainwater with Mammoth microbes, silent chamber.
Plant 3, organic soil, rainwater, music played for a total of 4 hours daily.
Plant 4, organic soil, rainwater with Mammoth microbes, music played for a total of 4 hours daily.
The music will be a Zen relaxation track of nature set to come on an hour before lights on and off and play for 2 hours each time. My attempt at mimicking the most active time of birds.
Are there any suggestions, constructive criticism? Something I'm missing?

Very interesting ideas, and not to be too critical, but if you want to run such experiments on a more sound scientific basis, you really should limit your test to a single variable. That is one test grow with MP and the other without. or the control group. Mixing variables won't get you good usable data, imo.

And have to agree with other comments, this idea of plants responding positively to music or sounds has been tested many times over several decades and so far nothing I've read lends any credence to the idea. But it keeps popping up from time to time, which is the way of a lot of junk science, largely because folks don't have a solid understanding of the principles behind the scientific method (and as such end up with false conclusions which aren't repeatable by others) and who also tend to anthropomorphize their theories, and then project these into their skewed data.

You can often tell this by how they talk about their plants, for instance imbuing them with human-like emotions, stating "I find that my plants "prefer" Beethoven over Bach" or "subject 1 likes a more nitrogen-rich diet", etc. There's no scientific basis for plants having emotional preferences nor thoughts for that matter, and stating it this way skips over the necessary investigations into what is actually happening that causes a plant to respond positively/negatively to whatever condition is being tested along with a detailed analysis of objective observations/measurements.

To really come up with sound conclusions ;?D, controls have to be pretty rigid, and usually require a rather large number of test subjects for any data to be scientifically meaningful, which is why, imo. a lot of this kind of unscientific stuff keeps getting fobbed off on the public by crackpots or outright scam artists.

If the idea that sonic waves positively affect bud growth were to ever catch on (not based on science, but more urban myth), I could see a lot of scammers suddenly trying to sell their latest Ultimate Sonic Boom Bloom Booster, just $199.95 - and get a second US3B FREE!!! (just pay additional handling charges, lol).

 

[Kevin the Great]

Very interesting ideas, and not to be too critical, but if you want to run such experiments on a more sound scientific basis, you really should limit your test to a single variable. That is one test grow with MP and the other without. or the control group. Mixing variables won't get you good usable data, imo.

And have to agree with other comments, this idea of plants responding positively to music or sounds has been tested many times over several decades and so far nothing I've read lends any credence to the idea. But it keeps popping up from time to time, which is the way of a lot of junk science, largely because folks don't have a solid understanding of the principles behind the scientific method (and as such end up with false conclusions which aren't repeatable by others) and who also tend to anthropomorphize their theories, and then project these into their skewed data.

You can often tell this by how they talk about their plants, for instance imbuing them with human-like emotions, stating "I find that my plants "prefer" Beethoven over Bach" or "subject 1 likes a more nitrogen-rich diet", etc. There's no scientific basis for plants having emotional preferences nor thoughts for that matter, and stating it this way skips over the necessary investigations into what is actually happening that causes a plant to respond positively/negatively to whatever condition is being tested along with a detailed analysis of objective observations/measurements.

To really come up with sound conclusions ;?D, controls have to be pretty rigid, and usually require a rather large number of test subjects for any data to be scientifically meaningful, which is why, imo. a lot of this kind of unscientific stuff keeps getting fobbed off on the public by crackpots or outright scam artists.

If the idea that sonic waves positively affect bud growth were to ever catch on (not based on science, but more urban myth), I could see a lot of scammers suddenly trying to sell their latest Ultimate Sonic Boom Bloom Booster, just $199.95 - and get a second US3B FREE!!! (just pay additional handling charges, lol).

I totally agree that the test size is too small to be a definitive test. More like contributing data.
I was initially a strong skeptic of the music theory but have since had second thoughts and decided to run a few tests of my own.
I have run the tests a few times but would always run into something that I felt would skew the data and I don't want to publish inaccurate results.
Your observations are spot on and exactly the type of input I need.
For the time being, I don't think my own parameters are strict enough. Airflow, filter age, everything needs to be the same and I'm just not equipped to run completely accurate side by side tests. Back to back would be the best I could do right now and that's not exactly accurate.

 

[mypassion]

If growmau5 is not BS-ing, his video shows more than a dramatic difference with just, if I remember correctly, 2 weeks of growth. After he said that the downfall is to big and started to us it in the other side. Another 2 weeks and bouth sides were almost equal...