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Would you consider buying a VERO after reading through some of the posts?

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OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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AquariusPanta said:
Hey Hybridway! As you know, the Skinny Mo' recently debuted, so I'd say things are going well with product development. While Heaven Bright hasn't blown up and I haven't become a millionaire, I've had the pleasure of acquiring some of the best customers around over the past year. Between their successes and the joys that I get from designing and building these fixtures, I'm happy where things stand and wouldn't have it any other way.

I haven't decided on what my next move will be, although I currently have a few options in front of me. What would you like to see Heaven Bright come out with next?

Thanks for the props, man. I didn't like how some were treating me either but some of that was brought on by me.
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waltzNo2

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The curve on the 6500K tells the story of why it has lower Lumens than some of lower K. It must be crazy efficient to be competitive with so much of it in the 440nm blue and so little everywhere else. Veg lamp supreme IMO.

A long time ago I put two clones in two linked bubble buckets. One clone was under a red COB the other a blue COB (ebay units), both 24hrs on. The one under the red got curly and stayed small, the one under the blue got big and tall.

I feel like I am seeing some similar issues right now trying to veg with 2700K, 3000K, and 3500K. They just want to flower badly and I'm not getting rapid growth like MH, HPS, or a blue sky sunny day.

How do people convert Lumens into PAR? It seems it should be complex requiring calculations on the spetctral curve and matching it to the PAR curve for it to be accurate.

The end of June can't come fast enough.
 
AquariusPanta

AquariusPanta

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OneHitDone said:
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Nope, as I haven't renewed my advertising campaign.

Rahz said:
I haven't had time to pour over it, but it does look like there will be some good results at lower currents, type C specifically. Exceeding my expectations at 50C, over 50% efficient at 76 watts, beating CD at 75 watts. Nice. Now, pricing...
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Most of the new numbers show Bridgelux's will to compete with the expanding market. The ~75Vf of the "type C" is something I haven't seen before for a single cob. Also, while Cree is well-known for its binning system, this is the first time I've witnessed a cob company introduce a given type-class for one of its cob series where a Vero 29 4000K comes in classes of 39, 52, & 70 forward voltage options. They do something similar with the Luna and Apollo cobs but I believe they are named differently, e.g. 200, 300, and etc, much like Vero 13, 18, & 29.

Well folks, I'd like to think that our diy community had something to do with this progression. Good work, comrades! Haha
 
AquariusPanta

AquariusPanta

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So shortly after my last post, I went and made a meal and was thinking about the new type-class that Bridgelux is implementing with the new 7th generation Vero 29 and remembered that Cree has already done something similar with their CXB3590; specifically their 36V and 72V 3590s. Selective-memory ftw. It's interesting to see that Bridgelux decided to not only duplicate Cree's approach with 36V and 72V versions but would include a type-class that would mimic the performance of the ~72V Vero 29 but could be ran closer to 52V.
 
JorgeGonzales

JorgeGonzales

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AquariusPanta said:
So shortly after my last post, I went and made a meal and was thinking about the new type-class that Bridgelux is implementing with the new 7th generation Vero 29 and remembered that Cree has already done something similar with their CXB3590; specifically their 36V and 72V 3590s. Selective-memory ftw. It's interesting to see that Bridgelux decided to not only duplicate Cree's approach with 36V and 72V versions but would include a type-class that would mimic the performance of the ~72V Vero 29 but could be ran closer to 52V.
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Unlike Cree, it's not really a single cob with a different series/parallel layout, as much as a single form factor with different number of die running at different voltages. Just like Citizen, and maybe others. Lots of cob makers out there.
 
AquariusPanta

AquariusPanta

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JorgeGonzales said:
Unlike Cree, it's not really a single cob with a different series/parallel layout, as much as a single form factor with different number of die running at different voltages. Just like Citizen, and maybe others. Lots of cob makers out there.
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The fact that they're trying something new is a good sign that they're still in it to win it. Their new numbers are competitive and will likely fuel the efficiency war among the other cob providers, which I think will be good for everyone outside that market.
 
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waltzNo2

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JorgeGonzales said:
I just answered that here https://www.rollitup.org/t/new-vero-cob.912433/#post-12721638

But really all you need is https://www.rollitup.org/t/math-behind.868988/
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That makes sense, thank you for sharing that. I knew it was going to require some some calculus and/or open office to convert.

The good thing about calculus is that there is always someone else willing to do it X-D Is anyone in the process of doing the maths for the new Vero chips?

If we can figure out the temps with the highest PPFD I will be willing to test the top 6 of them on side by side clones for 24hr veg and flowering.

I like the par photon flux density unit. Somewhere, either in those threads or in other reading, it was pointed out that photosynthesis is a quantum action, meaning it takes an incoming photon to cause an operation to occur in a plant. More photons, more plant. Did you know it takes 8 photons to make a sugar?
 
salmonetin

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FranJan

FranJan

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Abiqua said:
............and I wish they would upgrade their Pico holders, 7 gens and you can't change it? :) ...
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http://www.bridgelux.com/resources/bridgelux-and-bjb-announce-poke-availability-vero-series-arrays
"With poke-in connectivity, customers will benefit from simplified manufacturing and assembly processes. Secondary connector and holder components will not be required, and the integration of arrays into fixtures will be more streamlined without the need for soldering. "

I haven't seen them but they will probably be looking similar to this.



http://www.ledsmagazine.com/ugc/2016/04/26/bridgelux-and-bjb-announce-pokein-availability-for-vero-series-arrays.html
 
JorgeGonzales

JorgeGonzales

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Sativied said:
Not sure if this has been posted yet but this seems the right thread.

Vero 29 gen 7
$27 for the C version sdcm3
$22 for the D version sdcm3

At http://www.futureelectronics.com/en/Technologies/Product.aspx?ProductID=BXRC30E10K0C73BRIDGELUX2073533&IM=0

50 moq, 0 in stock but at least a price and price difference indication.
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Prices for gen 6 were $24, so that's a couple bucks cheaper for the ~39V D version, and a really nice suprise on the pretty tiny price bump for the 70V version.

Single cobs from someplace like Digikey won't be quite so cheap, but this looks terrific.
 
Hybridway

Hybridway

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AquariusPanta said:
Hey Hybridway! As you know, the Skinny Mo' recently debuted, so I'd say things are going well with product development. While Heaven Bright hasn't blown up and I haven't become a millionaire, I've had the pleasure of acquiring some of the best customers around over the past year. Between their successes and the joys that I get from designing and building these fixtures, I'm happy where things stand and wouldn't have it any other way.

I haven't decided on what my next move will be, although I currently have a few options in front of me. What would you like to see Heaven Bright come out with next?

Thanks for the props, man. I didn't like how some were treating me either but some of that was brought on by me.
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Hey, as many know I'm an Amare guy. But one thing I would've liked to see from your lights is a veg mode.
I would be way more likely to buy an all white cob light if there were 5000k's on a separate switch. Like a 9 COB light w/ 3, 5000k, & 6, 2700k's on separate switches. When on full power the combination should make for a great flowering spectrum, while not compromising the veg.
I do not believe 35k is right for veg although I do understand the theory of meeting a happy middle ground all in one. I just feel it is a compromise to the veg aspect of a grow.
I would also like to see COBs ran at around 70% if it will not harm them w/ adequate cooling. With that said, I also feel that any LED over 500 watts should have the option to be in-line cooled & duct out of the grow space.
I'm not hip on all the technical stuff. But I believe these changes would put you ahead of other white COB light companies providing your build quality, warranty, customer service, PR, & components are all up to par.
I also like the option to use reflectors with my lens or either or.

One of the biggest things though I've noticed, is a lack of documented results from many COB based light companies. Potential customers need to see results. Pounds under lights. GPW. All that good stuff.
Good luck! I for one have liked your lights since they came out.
 
BOBBY_G

BOBBY_G

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Hybridway said:
One of the biggest things though I've noticed, is a lack of documented results from many COB based light companies. Potential customers need to see results. Pounds under lights. GPW. All that good stuff.
Good luck! I for one have liked your lights since they came out.
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you forget that cannabis is federally illegal and not all companies are willing to put that all out there yet
 
Hybridway

Hybridway

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BOBBY_G said:
you forget that cannabis is federally illegal and not all companies are willing to put that all out there yet
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I get what you're saying. Like the nutrient companies too.
I was speaking more along the lines of on these forums.
Like everyone loves their LEDs but where's all the journals with results? I know that's not up to the companies to do. Some don't grow. I get & respect that. And theses lights are good for all types of indoor growing. But when it comes to the marijuana growing mkt., I for one searched for results before making my purchase.
I feel there is a serious lack of results for pre-built COB fixtures. Which in turn leads to what could be decirphered as claims w/o backing, ya know.
I can only speak from the growers consumer point of veiw.
 
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