hotpotato8
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Update.......I just ran 5 gallons of pH 3.5 water through it and the runoff has gone from 9 to 8.8 Not much of a drop but I gotta get the soil pH lower. Ideas?
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rikdabrick
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That's a weird situation there. What's the PH of your water normally?
Elemental sulfur will drop your PH quick. Too much sulfur at one time is supposedly tough on the micro herd so you may want to have some water soluble nutrients on hand just in case.
hotpotato8
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Normal pH of my water is 8. I always have to bring it down after adding nutes.
rikdabrick
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You have to still bring the PH down after adding nutes? Most nutes bring the PH down. What's the PH before you bring it down after adding nutrients? Maybe whatever you're using to bring the PH down isn't stable. What are you using for PH down?
hotpotato8
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The pH after adding nutes is usually around 8.2. I'm using General Hydroponics Down to lower the pH after adding nutes.
I've been using GH Silica, GH Rapidstart, Cal Mag, Superthrive, GH Micro, Grow and Bloom in doses lower than recommended.
I've been using GH Silica, GH Rapidstart, Cal Mag, Superthrive, GH Micro, Grow and Bloom in doses lower than recommended.
waterproof808
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Usually limp plants are due either under/over watering or fungal issues in your root zone like damping off.
when was the last time you calibrated your ph meter? What soil are you using?
when was the last time you calibrated your ph meter? What soil are you using?
hotpotato8
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I last calibrated my pH meter about 3 weeks ago. I also used a 2 prong soil tester and it also was in the same range, about 9. This particular plant in growing in coco. The other two are in a coco/ocean forest mix and showing no harm but I still need to lower the pH on them as well. Lots of flowering tops on the other two and they're starting to stretch. I'm afraid I'm gonna lose the coco plant (Jilly Bean). It really looks pretty limp. The other two are Jack the Ripper and Bingo Pajamas.
rikdabrick
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Hmm, I don't get why your PH is so high. It doesn't make much sense other than maybe your PH down is bad/not stable or something.
And waterproof808 is right in what he said about limp plants. Having a PH of 9 might do that too though, I don't knowk; I've never had that happen.
Have you tried asking any of the coco growers or growers using GH products on this site? I'm not familiar with growing in coco or GH products and would assume either of those wouldn't make much of a difference, but it's worth a try I guess.
And again, elemental sulfur will drop your PH quick and can help flush out some of the build up of nutrients in your media. You don't need much and it's cheap and since your using water soluble nutrients you don't really need to worry if it's messing with your microbes. I'm not sure if it will make much difference at this point though especially since you already flushed a bunch of 3.5 water and didn't get much for results.
Put up a pic if you can. That could be helpful.
rikdabrick
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Also, you med growers, make sure you have your plants tagged and readable this week. I talked to a couple more guys this week and GH was worse than I thought.
Here's how a buddy of mine put it that sums it up well:
Hey Big Island guys,
If what happened to us here this week happens to you there next week ya' got only yourselves to blame, because I'm gonna tell you what to do to get skipped over.
Green Harvest flew.
Remember when I said that the only way for the dispensaries to thrive is to step on us? Well, they did. Hard. This Green Harvest caught everybody with their pants down.
Don't you just hate to be right all the time?.... yea I know, it's a curse.
This is how it went. Pay attention. Learn from our losses.
If your plants are not tagged, there gone.
If you are even one over, there all gone.
If your numbers don't match, there all gone.
If they can't read the tag.....guess where they are..... that's right! there GONE!
If your not home,.... there may be gone.
Lastly, Lock it up. The cops are snoopy. They're twisting doorknobs to see what's inside.
Seriously, Off the top of my head I can name 10 grows that are no longer there. Down in Kihei on Thursday the cops were going door to door, while halfway down the street guys were running down the road, and over fences, with bales of fresh harvested weed flushed out in front of the choppers. If it was theirs or not I can't tell you.
Four or five choppers. Even the Coast Guard was up. Main actor in this play is the Black Puma. The Puma has the optics. It just hovers and checks out everything. Don't expect to hide shit in the shadows, it won't work. Ya gotta put something solid between the two. Behind the Puma are a Hughes 500 or two. Once the Puma spots something, the smaller Hughes sits on it until the ground crew gets there. They were running two, or even three ground crews.
You oldtimers remember what Green Harvest used to look like?
Yea, get ready for that.
Maui just lost maybe 15% of the product growing. Maybe more, because they didn't even bother to fly the jungles and canefields. They stuck to the Legal growers in residential neighborhoods. The fact that they were hovering right over houses didn't bother them. Usually it does.
Add to that we haven't had a good hard GH in two years added to the carnage. Of the 10 grows taken, two are in the fuck this noise category, they be done growing..... I doubt all but one will be able to get back to full steam quickly. The guys that got missed have heard about the guys that weren't, so they gonna put less in. Either way, the dispensary's have had their job done for them.
The flock has been sheared.
Here's how a buddy of mine put it that sums it up well:
Hey Big Island guys,
If what happened to us here this week happens to you there next week ya' got only yourselves to blame, because I'm gonna tell you what to do to get skipped over.
Green Harvest flew.
Remember when I said that the only way for the dispensaries to thrive is to step on us? Well, they did. Hard. This Green Harvest caught everybody with their pants down.
Don't you just hate to be right all the time?.... yea I know, it's a curse.
This is how it went. Pay attention. Learn from our losses.
If your plants are not tagged, there gone.
If you are even one over, there all gone.
If your numbers don't match, there all gone.
If they can't read the tag.....guess where they are..... that's right! there GONE!
If your not home,.... there may be gone.
Lastly, Lock it up. The cops are snoopy. They're twisting doorknobs to see what's inside.
Seriously, Off the top of my head I can name 10 grows that are no longer there. Down in Kihei on Thursday the cops were going door to door, while halfway down the street guys were running down the road, and over fences, with bales of fresh harvested weed flushed out in front of the choppers. If it was theirs or not I can't tell you.
Four or five choppers. Even the Coast Guard was up. Main actor in this play is the Black Puma. The Puma has the optics. It just hovers and checks out everything. Don't expect to hide shit in the shadows, it won't work. Ya gotta put something solid between the two. Behind the Puma are a Hughes 500 or two. Once the Puma spots something, the smaller Hughes sits on it until the ground crew gets there. They were running two, or even three ground crews.
You oldtimers remember what Green Harvest used to look like?
Yea, get ready for that.
Maui just lost maybe 15% of the product growing. Maybe more, because they didn't even bother to fly the jungles and canefields. They stuck to the Legal growers in residential neighborhoods. The fact that they were hovering right over houses didn't bother them. Usually it does.
Add to that we haven't had a good hard GH in two years added to the carnage. Of the 10 grows taken, two are in the fuck this noise category, they be done growing..... I doubt all but one will be able to get back to full steam quickly. The guys that got missed have heard about the guys that weren't, so they gonna put less in. Either way, the dispensary's have had their job done for them.
The flock has been sheared.
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hotpotato8
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Sorry for the growers on Maui and the BI that they're having to endure the hassles of GH. I don't expect choppers hovering over me and my lil' patch on Oahu.
When I've checked my pH after adding my nutes and then added pH Down it's always brought my nuted water down as expected before pouring it on the plants. I don't feel it's the pH Down. I'm gonna flush again today like crazy and see it more is better, at least to get the pH lower.
When I've checked my pH after adding my nutes and then added pH Down it's always brought my nuted water down as expected before pouring it on the plants. I don't feel it's the pH Down. I'm gonna flush again today like crazy and see it more is better, at least to get the pH lower.
Damn sounds worse then here. Maybe Im gonna rethink that move! Sorry for those farmers. Glad your still up though buddy
rikdabrick
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It's not bad enough for you to rethink moving (I think). Just have your numbers correct and tags labeled and hopefully you can be home to make sure they aren't pulling any funny stuff. I was watching them the whole time ready to video tape. The Puma hovered over my spot a few times, but they probably saw I had everything tagged up so I'm guessing they figured I wasn't worth their time. And the upside for the commercial guys that made it is supply took a hit soooo....
Also, I'm not sure how long they can keep this up. I don't think they have the funding to be running like this normally. Though they may spread out the harassment more instead of disproportionately picking on the Big Island.
rikdabrick
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Your eloquence to the situation is unrivaled my braddah
waterproof808
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I think a picture of what is going on would be beneficial. I would get the plant out of coco and repot it into some good soil. Soil is a lot more forgiving than coco.
Vnsmkr
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Not much on the eloquence when stupidity is blatantYour eloquence to the situation is unrivaled my braddah
hotpotato8
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I'm afraid the droopy one is a goner. There's also a pic showing my LST with balloon trick on one of the other girls. They (the soil mix) both look OK, but I ran a half gallon of 6.2 pH water thru them and the runoff showed 7.6
I then ran a gallon of 5 pH thru each with runoff still 7.6
I then ran a gallon of 3.7 pH thru each with runoff at 7.4
It's dropping slowly but as long as they're healthy looking I don't want to rock the boat too much. I'mm come back in a coupla days and try to renute them but on a much lower level than I've been doing.
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waterproof808
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Looks like overwatering or root rot and probably not gonna bounce back at this stage. I don't use a ph meter, so I can't offer any advice regarding flushing with very acidic water but to me it sounds like way to much water was being given to the plant.