Looming Canada Post work stoppage has medical marijuana producers scrambling

VIANARCHRIS

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'It's kind of scary,' says patient as dispute threatens deliveries
By Amanda Pfeffer, CBC News Posted: Jun 27, 2016 5:00 AM ET Last Updated: Jun 27, 2016 7:57 AM ET
Licensed medical marijuana producers have been warned to stop using mail delivery ahead of a potential Canada Post strike or lockout in early July.

The postal service says it started telling producers on Friday that if a strike or lockout goes ahead on July 2, it won't guarantee the delivery of patients' prescriptions.

That warning has producers throwing together contingency plans so the increasing number of medical marijuana patients continue to get their prescriptions on time.

Two years ago, Health Canada changed the rules on who can provide medical marijuana, allowing only licensed producers to offer marijuana products to customers by mail exclusively.

As a result, most producers have been using Canada Post.

"We are a good and getting-better-every-day customer of Canada Post," said Bruce Linton, CEO and founder of Canopy Growth Corp., which operates the Tweed marijuana production facility in Smiths Falls, Ont.

"And so it is kind of unfortunate and ridiculous that this [postal dispute] will have them not be able to service a market that's actually growing for them."

Medical marijuana mail order big business
Canada Post and the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) have been in contract negotiations since late 2015 to reach a new agreement for about 50,000 workers.

Management will be in a position to lock out workers by July 2, and both sides have said there's been little progress at the negotiating table.

CUPW spokeswoman Suzie Moore said last week that the key issues in the dispute are wage parity between city and rural postal workers and the restoration of door-to-door mail delivery.

The medical marijuana industry, Linton said, has come to rely heavily on the mail, sending tens of thousands of packages through the postal system each month.

The number of customers also continues to grow at a rate of 20 to 50 per cent each month. There were close to 75,000 medical marijuana users in Canada as of June 2016, he said.

Canada Post is the preferred delivery mechanism because it can reach even the most remote communities, Linton said.

With the possible postal service disruption, however, the backup plan involves using multiple couriers to provide the same service to customers, but some people could still face delays.

"There's a reason why it's plan B," Linton said.

'Will patients be without medication for a period of time? It's kind of scary.' - Ming, a medical marijuana user
Many of the medical marijuana producers CBC contacted agreed there could be challenges if they have to rely on other delivery services.

"There are some patients that will be particularly affected," said Robyn Rabinovitch of CannTrust, a federally licensed medical marijuana producer based in Vaughan, Ont.

CannTrust will begin using Purolator as of Monday, said Rabinovitch, but it does not deliver to P.O. box customers.

While there could be increased shipping costs for producers, said Linton, in the short term, neither Tweed nor CannTrust has plans to pass those costs along to customers.

Linton said Tweed also plans to add more customer service staff to help clients.

'It's kind of scary'
One medical marijuana user contacted by CBC News said she's concerned about the prescription she has to renew this week.

"I guess we'll have to wait and see how the delivery system will be," said Ming, who didn't want to use her last name to protect her privacy.

"Will patients be without medication for a period of time? It's kind of scary."

Ming said some users are talking about visiting unlicensed dispensaries if they face delays.

Dependency on mail highlights flawed system
Chuck Rifici, chairman of National Access Cannabis, which helps patients negotiate the Canadian medical marijuana landscape, said a strike or lockout would expose a serious flaw in a system that depends so exclusively on the postal service.

"It really highlights how I don't think it really makes sense to have a mail order model," said Rifici, also CEO of Nesta Holdings, a private equity firm that specializes in investing in the cannabis industry.

National Access Cannabis wants to see the federal government increase access through regulated store-front dispensaries, Rifici said.

"The patients and cannabis advocates have been clamouring for increased access," said Rifici, noting that raids in Toronto on dispensaries and the decision in Vancouver to regulate dispensaries speak to that need.

Canada Post spokesman Jon Hamilton said the service has been warning customers since April that, if talks fail following negotiations with a federal conciliator, there could be a strike or lockout by July 2.

Hamilton said that if a deal isn't struck before then, orders made after Monday with Canada Post could get stuck in a warehouse.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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National Access Cannabis wants to see the federal government increase access through regulated store-front dispensaries, Rifici said.
Too easy...start regulating the existing storefront dispensaries. Giving control over production, distribution and retail sales to an exclusive group is never gonna fly in a free market society. The Canada Post strike causing disruption in supplying patients is just one more glaring failure of the mmpr. I can see this speeding up the implementation of regulated storefronts, but they won't be LP owned.
On a side note, if the only LEGAL source of mmj (except for mmar patients) is the LP's and the only legal method of delivery is Canada Post, patients are effectively cut off from their medicine. The courts have ruled we must have access...I see the dispensaries as the government's best option to reduce hardship on the patient.
 

Medipuffs

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"It really highlights how I don't think it really makes sense to have a mail order model," said Rifici, also CEO of Nesta Holdings, a private equity firm that specializes in investing in the cannabis industry."

it didn't stop this profiteering smuck from making a hefty profit off the backs of the sick and dying because he is one of trudeau friends and as such was granted one of the first permits to run an LP.


chuck rifici can suck a dick, its people like him that have made this whole system a fucking joke.

its bad for patients who are forced into the mmpr purchasing system but fuck this will be a good thing if it fucks over the governments plan to force patients to lay down and take their shit. if patients weren't suffering i would say this is poetic justice but unfortunately a lot of good people have to suffer for the benefit of a few profiteering hacks.

This is so ass backwards is not even funny, which leads me to believe this is truly a government endeavor.
 
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The Hippy

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I do know that there is a big difference in what rural CPC workers get over the city ones. Very unfair. Otherwise fuck Canada Post and all the workers and management. Any body who works for Canada Post makes very good money...except rural contractors and franchisee's. They get raped and robbed at contract point.
Anything bad for Canada Post is good for me.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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he is one of trudeau friends and as such was granted one of the first permits to run an LP.
I in no way support this idiot or any LP...but what exactly does being 'one of trudeau's friends' have to do with it? The first permits to run an LP were granted by the Harper government long before Trudeau became PM. I'm sure being buddies with his main political opponent didn't earn him any favours.
Still, this is all desperation talk by the LP's and will never become the reality. Allowing exclusive control over production, distribution and retail sales to be limited to a tiny exclusive group is never gonna withstand a legal challenge and they know it.
 

Medipuffs

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@VIANARCHRIS Respectfully, being buddies with trudeau is the only reason that man was given a golden goose before anybody else. I understand that harper was in power but he wasn't doling out candy to only his friends, the elite wash each others hands behind closed doors to help keep themselves insulated from the 99% who don't have the resources they do.

The other way to look at this is that harper took the power away from patients/black market and put it into corporate hands, which grows his tax coffers regardless of who was running the business'.

He wanted to strike out against us and grow his personal resource coffer (tax funded coffers) to change the face of our country into a conservative stronghold. That is why it happened, it had nothing to do with playing nice or being open to helping another political party out, it was to control the sale of cannabis and to profit off its sale. Receiving tax dollars from every single sale of cannabis in this country was his goal and he failed miserably but others still profited very well.

I am not hating on Trudeau im presenting what happened as fact. Chuck cashed in on his personal connection to Trudeau by having the proper resources and references to provide him with certification to legally produce cannabis. Chuck was able to manipulate greedy investors into believing that LP cannabis was going to be the next big revolution on the stock market and did a classic pump and dump before anybody else to ensure he would profit. Truth be told he made a killing.

I would love for compassion clubs to remain in business but they need oversight and guidance for some of their issues, which is a positive thing. Once they are allowed to operate in the legal market it will help clear up some of the shady business some operations use as a business plan.

I don't believe the LP's should get exclusive rights to storefronts at all. I hope they allow for a free market economy but control is why we have had all the court cases in the first place and the government is loathe to give up control or heed access. It's just not how they function and that is a shame. A dire need for patients is to have choices and it helps keep producers on their toes helping clients instead of solely seeking profits if they are able to be held accountable by competition, quality control and legislation.

I have no negative connotations towards Trudeau, we'll see how this goes over the course of 4 years and the impact he has had on our Canadian quality of life will be on display at the next election.

I enjoy your opinion and don't mean you any disrespect with my reply, have a good day buddy!

@hippy: i used to work for Canada Post and they are a bunch of cunts, it looks good on them.
 

VIANARCHRIS

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@VIANARCHRIS Respectfully, being buddies with trudeau is the only reason that man was given a golden goose before anybody else. I understand that harper was in power but he wasn't doling out candy to only his friends, the elite wash each others hands behind closed doors to help keep themselves insulated from the 99% who don't have the resources they do.

The other way to look at this is that harper took the power away from patients/black market and put it into corporate hands, which grows his tax coffers regardless of who was running the business'.

He wanted to strike out against us and grow his personal resource coffer (tax funded coffers) to change the face of our country into a conservative stronghold. That is why it happened, it had nothing to do with playing nice or being open to helping another political party out, it was to control the sale of cannabis and to profit off its sale. Receiving tax dollars from every single sale of cannabis in this country was his goal and he failed miserably but others still profited very well.

I am not hating on Trudeau im presenting what happened as fact. Chuck cashed in on his personal connection to Trudeau by having the proper resources and references to provide him with certification to legally produce cannabis. Chuck was able to manipulate greedy investors into believing that LP cannabis was going to be the next big revolution on the stock market and did a classic pump and dump before anybody else to ensure he would profit. Truth be told he made a killing.

I would love for compassion clubs to remain in business but they need oversight and guidance for some of their issues, which is a positive thing. Once they are allowed to operate in the legal market it will help clear up some of the shady business some operations use as a business plan.

I don't believe the LP's should get exclusive rights to storefronts at all. I hope they allow for a free market economy but control is why we have had all the court cases in the first place and the government is loathe to give up control or heed access. It's just not how they function and that is a shame. A dire need for patients is to have choices and it helps keep producers on their toes helping clients instead of solely seeking profits if they are able to be held accountable by competition, quality control and legislation.

I have no negative connotations towards Trudeau, we'll see how this goes over the course of 4 years and the impact he has had on our Canadian quality of life will be on display at the next election.

I enjoy your opinion and don't mean you any disrespect with my reply, have a good day buddy!

@hippy: i used to work for Canada Post and they are a bunch of cunts, it looks good on them.
Hey, thanks for explaining your perspective. I don't know if I completely agree with everything, but you make some very valid points. I know there's a whole world of palm-greasing and backroom deals that goes on, and it was/is extremely blatant with the mmpr. I think this country has changed just in the short time since the mmpr and it should be obvious to the powers that be that they will not even put a dent in the BM unless they open production and sales up to the free market. Trudeau is not a stupid person and will understand forcing existing business out to make room for government selected ones wouldn't go over well. If he wants to help his LP buddies, he should speed up recreational...that is their future.
No disrespect taken. Contrary to what some trolls on here would have you believe, I am not a fan of any politician... but I voted Liberal as our best chance at getting to the conclusion of my 35 year fight against prohibition. I hated Trudeau Sr. and I'm sure Justin doesn't fall far from the tree, but he's still the best hope we've had at legalization in my lifetime. When he screws up, and he will at some point, I'll be all over it.
 

CalyxCrusher

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I in no way support this idiot or any LP...but what exactly does being 'one of trudeau's friends' have to do with it? The first permits to run an LP were granted by the Harper government long before Trudeau became PM. I'm sure being buddies with his main political opponent didn't earn him any favours.
Still, this is all desperation talk by the LP's and will never become the reality. Allowing exclusive control over production, distribution and retail sales to be limited to a tiny exclusive group is never gonna withstand a legal challenge and they know it.
More than buddies, he was (and may still be) the CFO for the Liberal Party
 

jafro daweedhound

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Do mmpr regs allow for courier delivery or does it say Canada post only? Just curious....
MMPR states;

Shipping
  • 73 (1) A licensed producer who ships dried marihuana to a person referred to in subsection 12(2) or (4) must
  • (a) ship the marihuana in only one shipment per order;

  • (b) prepare the package in a manner that ensures the security of its contents, such that
    • (i) the package will not open or permit the escape of its contents during handling and transportation,

    • (ii) it is sealed so that it cannot be opened without the seal being broken,

    • (iii) it prevents the escape of marihuana odour, and

    • (iv) it prevents its contents from being identified without it being opened;
  • (c) use a shipping method that ensures the tracking and safekeeping of the package during transportation;

(Any bonded courier will work..... Canada post is just the cheapest and easiest)
 

VIANARCHRIS

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MMPR states;

Shipping
  • 73 (1) A licensed producer who ships dried marihuana to a person referred to in subsection 12(2) or (4) must
  • (a) ship the marihuana in only one shipment per order;

  • (b) prepare the package in a manner that ensures the security of its contents, such that
    • (i) the package will not open or permit the escape of its contents during handling and transportation,

    • (ii) it is sealed so that it cannot be opened without the seal being broken,

    • (iii) it prevents the escape of marihuana odour, and

    • (iv) it prevents its contents from being identified without it being opened;
  • (c) use a shipping method that ensures the tracking and safekeeping of the package during transportation;

(Any bonded courier will work..... Canada post is just the cheapest and easiest)
TY! Too bad...I was hoping they would be forced to cease distribution!
 

doingdishes

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if you talk to Canada Post, it's illegal to ship cannabis....yet the LP's primary way to ship is Canada Post.
i know a few people who got their mail seized. i had one myself and when i asked if they are seizing everything from the LP's, they didn't have an answer
just so wrong
 
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