Are there really strains with 30% thc?

st0wandgrow

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I think rm3 catches so much flak because people are conceited and think their way is the best.

More than one way to skin a cat.

I've been helping grow vegetables since I could walk. Started growing pot as a teenager.

Do I follow everything rm3 does with his grows? No. I'm sealed and don't do a few other things.

I will tell you I'm glad I tried some of what he does out.



At the end of the day, do what makes you happy and grow how you want. Just don't be close minded and you might learn something.

@Chillin chillin

One of my best friends growing up dad was a green beret.

He went to a shooting competition with some local law enforcement. I asked him why because he could probably outshoot anyone there.

He said with an attitude like that I wouldn't learn anything and to always be a sponge. You never know when you will learn something.
Oh, I agree there. There's always something to learn, no matter how much you know already. I'm not trying to bust RM's balls. I'm genuinely curious. I have to admit that I'm a bit skeptical about the whole "happy plants don't stink" thing, which is why I keep asking questions. I'm the type where I have see it with my own eyes (or in this case, smell it with my own nose), but I will be the first to admit if I'm wrong.

I'm hoping to admit that I'm wrong here, but no matter what changes I make my plants continue to stink...
 

Yodaweed

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The amount of stress a plant can take is strain dependent, the strains you are growing @RM3 must be able to handle more stress than others, some plants if you look at them funny just might hermie (cookies comes to mind, OG kush as well)
 

whitebb2727

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Light leaks will make your plant remain in the veg state if they are large enough, also adds stress to induce hermies or just make for a not perfect grow environment.
How big a light leak is the cut off? I don't know but I can tell you that pin holes, small cracks and lights on power strips will not cause them.


I will also tell you that when I started ordering seeds, I started getting more Hermie's.


The whole argument over herms is another one unto itself.

Just because a plant throws some nanners doesn't make it a herm and in fact cannabis uses it as a survival mechanism.
 

Yodaweed

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How big a light leak is the cut off? I don't know but I can tell you that pin holes, small cracks and lights on power strips will not cause them.


I will also tell you that when I started ordering seeds, I started getting more Hermie's.


The whole argument over herms is another one in to itself.

Just because a plant throws some nanners doesn't make it a herm and in fact cannabis uses it as a survival mechanism.
Yeah but light leaks can make a plant reveg or not properly flower, also can cause it to hermie, just google cannabis light leaks, you will find a ton of results and pictures of peoples plants revegging and going hermie, theres an entire icmag post on it. Survival is different than light leaks, survival from my experience happens at the very end, couple nanners come out the buds here and there, a light leak you got this weird reveg shit going on, I know cause when I was a noob grower I tried growing in my apartments closet that had like 100 light leaks and my plants flowered all wonky and retarded(partial reveg), when I sealed the leaks they flowered properly, no they didn't hermie they were just pissed off , I just reveged 2 white fire og plants , neither hermied, but they could have due to the stress, hermies are predetermined in my opinion some plants are true females and no matter the stress they will never hermie, they will just reveg.
 

Yodaweed

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Takes to long. I cut every 49-56 days, 6-7 times a year per room. My leaves have no value so I don't worry bout them. I stay above 2lb per 1000, veg 3 weeks and flip. Every 7-8 weeks cut, clean and repeat
You must not have to worry about plant count than, I couldn't get enough bud with plants that small those look like they gonna yield a half oz each.
 

RM3

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Understanding Hermies

THE marijuana GROWER'S GUIDE
by Mel Frank and Ed Rosenthal

Sexual Variants in Cannabis
Cannabis has been studied for many years because of its unusual sexuality. Besides the normal dioecious pattern, where each plant bears exclusively male or female flowers, it is not uncommon for some plants to have both male and female flowers. These are called hermaphrodites, or monoecious plants, or intersexes. Hermaphroditic plants form normal flowers of both sexes in a wide variety of arrangements, in both random and uniform distributions.
Natural Hermaphrodites
Some hermaphrodites seem to be genetically determined (protogenous). That is, they naturally form flowers of both sexes given normal growing conditions. Possibly genes carried on the autosomes (the chromosomes other than the sex chromosomes) modify the normal sexual expression. Monoecious varieties have been developed by hemp breeders in order to ensure uniform harvests.
It is also possible that these particular are polyploid, which means they have more than the usual two sets of chromosomes. This kind of hermaphrodite may have XXY (triploid), or XXYY or XXXY (tetraploid) sex chromosomes. However, no naturally occurring polyploids have ever been verified (by observation of the chromosomes) in any population of Cannabis. Polyploids have been induced in Cannabis by using mutagens, such as the alkaloid colchicine.
Whatever then genetic explanation may be, one or more of these natural hermaphrodites may randomly appear in any garden. They are sometimes faster-maturing, have larger leaves, and are larger in overall size than their unisexual siblings. They usually form flowers of both sexes uniformly in time and distribution, and in some unusual patterns. For example, from Mexican seed, we have seen a plant on which separate flowering cluster consisted of both female and male flowers: and upper section of female flowers had upraised stigmas, and a lower section of male flowers dangled beneath the female flowers. In other plants from Mexican seed, the growing tips throughout the plant have female flowers; male flowers sprout from the leaf axils along the main stem and branches. Plants from "Thai" seed sometimes form male and female flowers on separate branches. Branches with female flowers tend to predominate, but branches having mostly male flowers are located throughout the plant.
Abnormal Flowers, Intersexes, Reversals
Gender is set in the new plant at the time of fertilisation by its inheritance of either the X or the Y chromosome from the male (staminate) plant. With germination of the seed, the environment comes into play. Heritage sets the genetic program, but the environment can influence how the program runs. (Sexual expression in Cannabis is delicately balanced between the two.) The photoperiod, for example, controls the plant's sequence of development. Also, the plant's metabolism and life processes are dependent on growing conditions. When the environment does not allow a balance to be maintained, the normal genetic program may not be followed. This is mirrored by abnormal growth or sexual expression.
{Figure 78. Upper left: Abnormal flowers. Lower left: Male flowers on afemale plant. Upper right: Sexes on separate branches. Lower right: Maleflower in female bud (reversing).}Abnormal Flowers
Abnormal sexual expression includes a whole range of possibilities. Individual flowers may form abnormally, and may contain varying degrees of both male and female flower parts. For instance, a male flower may bear a stigma; or an anther may protrude from the bracts of a female flower. Abnormally formed flowers are not often seen on healthy plants, although if one looks hard enough, a few may be found in most crops. When many of the flowers are abnormal, an improper photoperiod (coupled with poor health) is the most likely cause. Abnormal flowers sometimes form on marijuana grown out of season, such as with winter or spring crops grown under natural light.
Intersexes and Reversals Much more common than abnormally formed flowers is for the plant's sex to be confused. One may find an isolated male flower or two; or there may be many clusters of male flowers on an otherwise female plant, or vice versa. These plants are called intersexes (also hermaphrodites or monoecious plants). Intersexes due to environment causes differ from natural hermaphrodite in having random distributions and proportions of male and female flowers. In more extreme cases, a plant may completely reverse sex. For example, a female may flowers normally for several weeks, then put forth new, sparse growth, typical of the male, on which male flowers develop. The complete reversal from male flowering to female flowering also happens.
All other things being equal, the potency of intersexes and reversed plants is usually less than that of normal plants. If there are reversals or intersexes, both of the sexes will usually be affected. Female plants that reverse to male flowering show the biggest decline. Not only is the grass less potent, but the amount of marijuana harvested from male flowers is negligible compared to the amount of marijuana that can be harvested from a normal female. Plants that change from male to female flowering usually increase their potency, because of the growth of female flower bracts with their higher concentration of resin. Female flowers on male plants seldom form as thickly or vigorously as on a normal female. Between the loss in potency and the loss in yield because of females changing to males, a crop from such plants is usually inferior, in both yield and potency, to one from normal plants.

Environmental Effects
Many environmental factors can cause intersexes and sexual reversals. These include photoperiod, low light intensity, applications of ultraviolet light, low temperatures, mutilation or severe pruning, nutrient imbalances or deficiencies, senescence (old age), and applications of various chemicals (see bibliography on sex determination).
The photoperiod (or time of planting using natural light) is the most important factor to consider for normal flowering. In 1931, J. Schaffner (105) showed that the percentage of hemp plants that had confused sexual characteristics depended on the time of year they were planted. Normal flowering (less than five percent of the plants are intersexes) occurred when the seeds were sown in May, June, or July, the months when the photoperiod is longest and light intensity is strongest. When planted sooner or later in the year, the percentage of intersexuals increased steadily, until about 90 percent of the plants were intersexual when planted during November or early December.
marijuana plants need more time to develop than hemp plants at latitudes in the United States. Considering potency, size, and normal flowering, the best time to sow for the summer crop is during the month of April. Farmers in the south could start the plants as late as June and still expect fully developed plants.
If artificial light is used, the length of the photoperiod can influence sexual expression. Normal flowering, with about equal numbers of male and female plants, seems to occur when the photoperiod is from 15 to 17 hours of light for a period of three to five months. The photoperiod is then shortened to 12 hours to induce flowering. With longer photoperiods, from 18 to 24 hours a day, the ratio of males to females changes, depending on whether flowering is induced earlier or later in the plant's life. When the plants are grown with long photoperiods for six months or more, usually there are at least 10 percent more male then female plants. When flowering is induced within three months of age, more females develop. Actually, the "extra" males or females are reversed plants, but the reversals occur before the plants flower in their natural genders.
Some plants will flower normally without a cutting of the photoperiod. But more often, females will not form thick buds unless the light cycle is cut to a period of 12 hours duration. Don't make the light cycle any shorter than 12 hours, unless the females have not shown flowers after three weeks of 12-hour days. Then cut the light cycle to 11 hours. Flowers should appear in about one week.
Anytime the light cycle is cut to less than 11 hours, some intersexes or reversed plant usually develop. This fact leads to a procedure for increasing the numbers of female flowers indoors. The crops can be grown for three months under a long photoperiod (18 or more hours of light). The light cycle is then cut to 10 hours. Although the harvest is young (about five months) there will be many more female flower buds than with normal flowering. More plants will develop female flowers initially, and male plants usually reverse to females after a few weeks of flowering.
Of the other environmental factors that can affect sexual expression in Cannabis, none are as predictable as the photoperiod. Factors such as nutrients or pruning affect the plant's overall health and metabolism, and can be dealt with by two general thoughts. First, good growing conditions lead to healthy plants and normal flowering: female and male plants occur in about equal numbers, with few (if any) intersexes or reversed plants. Poor growing conditions lead to reduced health and vigour, and oftentimes to confused sex in the adult plant. Second, the age of the plants seems to influence reversals. Male plants often show female flowers when the plant is young (vigorous) during flowering. Females seven or more months old (weaker) often develop male flowers after flowering normally for a few weeks.
Anytime the plant's normal growth pattern is disrupted, normal flowering may be affected. For instance, plant propagated from cuttings sometimes reverse sex, as do those grown for more than one season.
 

whitebb2727

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Yeah but light leaks can make a plant reveg or not properly flower, also can cause it to hermie, just google cannabis light leaks, you will find a ton of results and pictures of peoples plants revegging and going hermie, theres an entire icmag post on it.
I don't care to read and study it. Over the years I've grown different strains in different set ups with leaks and outside with exposure to street lights. My opinion from my experience is its not a problem.

I've only seen one or two plants that were sensitive to the point that a single flashlight or small light leak caused pollen. It was only in the spot where the light hit them and I suspect that light stress is how they made the seeds.

Does that mean that light leaks don't cause herms, no. I'm sure there are sensitive strains but they are herm prone anyways.
 

Yodaweed

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I don't care to read and study it. Over the years I've grown different strains in different set ups with leaks and outside with exposure to street lights. My opinion from my experience is its not a problem.

I've only seen one or two plants that were sensitive to the point that a single flashlight or small light leak caused pollen. It was only in the spot where the light hit them and I suspect that light stress is how they made the seeds.

Does that mean that light leaks don't cause herms, no. I'm sure there are sensitive strains but they are herm prone anyways.
Yeah a lot of the most fire strains are hermie prone as hell, off hand I can name chemdawg (bag seed from hermies ) , girl scout cookie and all GSC crosses (bag seed from hermies ) OG kush ( idk why but it hermies like mad ) Golden Goat (hermie cross by mr dank ), GG#4( hermie cross by Josie) and there are many many others that are hermie prone, meaning less stress = best for your grow when growing these types and I grow those types always, right now I am flowering some golden goat, just finished some white fire og (not hermie prone) grew some gsc cookie crosses last summer ( gsc x animal cookie and thinmint cookies from cali conn) so I avoid light leaks and any additional stress.
 
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Chillin chillin

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RM3, can you answer me this then? Why is it that I've been growing strains for 5+ years w no herms but soon as I start giving them out to patients some of them come back saying they hermied?
 

Yodaweed

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I'd also like to add the less stress your plant has had the better it tastes, that's why keeping your plant in the optimal feeding zone and properly hydrated is super important as well, if you let it dry out till wilting than water it and do that over and over it wont taste as good as if you kept it hydrated the hole time and it also reduces yield, I did that by accident last year cause its dry as hell here in Colorado and I forgot about this plant like 10 times cause I was so high and it was in a separate testing area.
 

whitebb2727

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@RM3
I couldn't quote you due to being over the character limit.

I agree, I have grown Mexican seeds from over the last 30 years or so.

One of my favorite throws very few nanners and only on lower buds. I end up with a few seeds and I keep a few in case I want to grow some more.
 

Chillin chillin

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What strain is that you run? That's a great yield for such a tiny plant, I try to shoot for 1 pound per plant since I can only legally grow 12 plants.
6 diffrent ogs, orange glue, gorilla glue, platinum bubba, bubba Kush, the white, white bubba, sour diesel, green crack and a few more I can't think of.... Oh ya Girl Scout cookies, the lowest yeilder I have
 

RM3

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Yeah a lot of the most fire strains are hermie prone as hell, off hand I can name chemdawg (bag seed from hermies ) , girl scout cookie and all GSC crosses (bag seed from hermies ) OG kush ( idk why but it hermies like mad ) Golden Goat (hermie cross by mr dank ), GG#4( hermie cross by Josie) and there are many many others that are hermie prone, meaning less stress = best for your grow when growing these types and I grow those types always, right now I am flowering some golden goat, just finished some white fire og (not hermie prone) grew some gsc cookie crosses last summer ( gsc x animal cookie and thinmint cookies from cali conn) so I avoid light leaks and any additional stress.
most flav o fav of the month strains have not been properly worked by the breeders most now a days are pollen chucked F1's

The few herm's I've had were on Land Races
 
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