Let the people decide

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Gquebed

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So for how many years now have law enforcement and government been tossing around the hot marijuana potatoe? 15? Ever since med weed started in 2001?

They have been running around in circles ever since. Nobody knows what to do or how to do it. Nobody wants to stick their political necks out. It is a farce, by any definition of the word.

So why not put all of this to a referendum just like Colorado did 4 years ago? Let the people decide what should be done and how.

Its a simple process and i will crush the cost argument against it right now by saying that it would be a lot cheaper than paying a comtittee millions of dollars over however many years to get nothing done.

I think it is time that this question be put to JT, Blair and that Mclellan hose bag. And then watch them squirm....
 
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Gquebed

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gb123 said:
they have...except the ones in power think they should make the riches...
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Again... WTF are you talking about?

I am talking about pressuring the gov into a referendum, nothing more. To my knowledge there has not been a concerted effort on this of any kind. Correct me if I am wrong.
 
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JungleStrikeGuy

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Gquebed said:
Again... WTF are you talking about?

I am talking about pressuring the gov into a referendum, nothing more. To my knowledge there has not been a concerted effort on this of any kind. Correct me if I am wrong.
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Referendums in Canada, as specified by the Referendum Act of 1992 are only on constitutional issues (not Charter challenges, but a direct line or concept in the constitution). Canada has had three referendums total, none of which has been binding. Interestingly enough, a referendum on introducing alcohol prohibition came out with a 'yes' result, but the government of the day chose to leave it up to the provinces.

Ballot measures in the US are different, in that they are legally 'binding'. BC is the only province to have something like this, which is why they were able to vote to repeal the HST. So a non-binding referendum is not an effective use of resources here, and isn't going to solve anything. It also isn't cheap.

You have to open up polling / ballot stations, do a bunch of signage / posting to be in compliance with the Referendum act, etc. Not to mention it's still up to the government.
 
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JungleStrikeGuy said:
Referendums in Canada, as specified by the Referendum Act of 1992 are only on constitutional issues (not Charter challenges, but a direct line or concept in the constitution). Canada has had three referendums total, none of which has been binding. Interestingly enough, a referendum on introducing alcohol prohibition came out with a 'yes' result, but the government of the day chose to leave it up to the provinces.

Ballot measures in the US are different, in that they are legally 'binding'. BC is the only province to have something like this, which is why they were able to vote to repeal the HST. So a non-binding referendum is not an effective use of resources here, and isn't going to solve anything. It also isn't cheap.

You have to open up polling / ballot stations, do a bunch of signage / posting to be in compliance with the Referendum act, etc. Not to mention it's still up to the government.
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Fair enough. I have been schooled on the referendum deal.

Then maybe pressuring them into balancing the "task force." They have Blair to advise on police enforcement and everything he has said as a predictable and obvious bias. So counter weight him with Brian O'dea. He is out of jail now and would have great advice for the task force on the organized crime side of things. Then there is Mclellan with same hard ass deal based in complete ignorance. Maybe balance her bias with a pro weed doctor. There are plenty around...
 
jafro daweedhound

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Got a funny feeling the cunts at HC will be getting out their "Cat Litter" letter and have it dusted off for August 25. Probably wrong, but sometimes I just get a feeling.....
People like uncle bill took an oath to throw people like us into prisons and do everything they can to destroy what we call freedom, that being completely different from his term "legalization".

HC has a lot of addresses to visit if the cat shit method is invoked for control. Sure going to be a fun filled year. time to seriously look at becoming super stealthy. Data has been and is being gathered to confront those needing "harsher penalties" to be "controlled".
 
torontoke

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JungleStrikeGuy said:
It would certainly be nice if there was more diversity beyond doctors / 'medical professionals' + cops.
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Unfortunately most of the more famous pro mj advocates come across less than professional when put into these think tanks.
Who would be a good representative of our side? Certainly not Wilcox remo or anyone of that ilk.
I'm surprised they didn't look to one of the big wigs from the legal states.
 
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JungleStrikeGuy

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torontoke said:
Unfortunately most of the more famous pro mj advocates come across less than professional when put into these think tanks.
Who would be a good representative of our side? Certainly not Wilcox remo or anyone of that ilk.
I'm surprised they didn't look to one of the big wigs from the legal states.
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In that respect some of the task force isn't bad, Susan Boyd is a really good add as I've said. I agree that when it comes to a task force esque environment you need 'reasonable' more than you need 'activist'. Some people can do both, some can't.

A lot of the moderate people though are focused on the medical side since that's been the current battle for a long time. Maybe someone from the Canadian dispensary association, a vapour lounge owner, etc. To me, the task force is focusing far too much on the supply side and not enough on what happens on the ground. Where can people smoke/vape, can people open up infused restaurants, etc. People who run vapour lounges have had to come up with really creative ways for people to quasi-legally enjoy an illegal product, so they would have a great insight as to how that can transfer to fully legal.

Kirk Tousaw had an interesting observation though, that Blair et al have more bark than bite when it comes to their hard-line stance at the presser. It's certainly not good PR with the public, but I guess there's some truth to saying just because they've struck the committee, don't give much weight to the content of the presser re actual policy.

Everyone's wound up over the raids, and Blair certainly did more harm with his speech about how terrible dispensaries are. But really, it's not different from what he's said in the press before, so it's not like much has actually changed. I'd be more concerned over Philpott taking up spreading bullshit in addition to Blair.

At the end of the day we'll get substantive proof at the end of August, right now everything is 'suggestive', unfortunately mostly suggesting bad things.
 
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JungleStrikeGuy said:
Kirk Tousaw had an interesting observation though, that Blair et al have more bark than bite when it comes to their hard-line stance at the presser. It's certainly not good PR with the public, but I guess there's some truth to saying just because they've struck the committee, don't give much weight to the content of the presser re actual policy.

Everyone's wound up over the raids, and Blair certainly did more harm with his speech about how terrible dispensaries are. But really, it's not different from what he's said in the press before, so it's not like much has actually changed. I'd be more concerned over Philpott taking up spreading bullshit in addition to Blair.

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This is what I've been saying for some time. Blair was said to be the "spokesperson" for legalization. That has nothing to do with policy making. I've been saying he is just "face" and his hard-ass reputation is a good one to mollify the right-wing nuts. Blair will be the guy who delivers the news for legalization and little more.

Same with Ann McLellan. She may be the task-force chairperson, but that doesn't mean much either. She will direct the other members in gathering info to put together a report, but again... the task force will not be writing the legislation.

Aside from Blair and McLellan...the rest of the force looks pretty solid. There's some pro(ish)-weed folk assigned and after having read the entire "Toward The Legalization, Regulation and Restriction to Marijuana" paper I am a lot more optimistic that the process will likely end up being a fairly good compromise for all concerned. But I have to admit, I am somewhat concerned now about the home-grow thing. I had hoped for allowances much like there is for beer/wine, but the rhetoric around that is disturbing.
 
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VIANARCHRIS

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louisa.sinclair said:
is it true that we may be able to grow in in august ? thats what i have been told but i wanted to make sure and anyone know where i can get CBD seed, thank you
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The judge says we can...we'll wait for Health Canada and see if they comply. In the meantime, email your MP and ask him or her if they think Canadian adults are capable of safely growing a plant? Ask how many folks with gov. connections stand to profit from restricting your rights.
 
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