Cutting 3 weeks off flowering time

BM9AGS

BM9AGS

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Some dude that grows for money thinks they found out something that scientists haven't discovered. Placebo effect
 
bro54209

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Chillin chillin said:
No water w lights on last 24 hrs really stresses them out. Makes them tric up and wreak.
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I've never heard anyone keep the light on for 24hrs on the last day, I've been keeping the ones in the last few days out a few hours less than 12 to try and trick them to think it's winter. I'll also occasionally keep them under the hps for an hour then an hour under the mh then back under hps for some hours to vary the spectrum and simulate morning/noon/night, I read that it takes about 30 minutes for plants to wake up to blue light as they're evolved to wake up to orange light.

I'm really curious about going 24hrs the last day, vs 36hrs darkness, vs gradually <12hrs, vs keeping 12/12 to chop.
 
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Chillin chillin

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BobCajun said:
It's interesting, if it turns out to work. So far it just sounds like rockwool and HPS. That's been done before of course. People have tried lots of nute systems too. So with a title like the one here, we may need more convincing. The plants certainly look healthy though.
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Not to be rude but I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything. It is what it is and it works like a charm.
 
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Chillin chillin

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whitebb2727 said:
I don't believe they are top shelf.


You can say what you want but your system is designed for one thing. Speed of production. That means your concern is money.

Let them go three more weeks and they would be better. It is what it is.

Its in your tone and they way you carry yourself.

I'm not saying anything is wrong with that. Make that money.

Just don't think you can blow smoke up our asses. Some of us are weed snobs here.
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Other people's kids....
 
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Chillin chillin

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bro54209 said:
I've never heard anyone keep the light on for 24hrs on the last day, I've been keeping the ones in the last few days out a few hours less than 12 to try and trick them to think it's winter. I'll also occasionally keep them under the hps for an hour then an hour under the mh then back under hps for some hours to vary the spectrum and simulate morning/noon/night, I read that it takes about 30 minutes for plants to wake up to blue light as they're evolved to wake up to orange light.

I'm really curious about going 24hrs the last day, vs 36hrs darkness, vs gradually <12hrs, vs keeping 12/12 to chop.
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Use 36 hrs darkness before you flower, the 24 hr light w no water makes them stink to high heaven
 
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tinhmuonkiep

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BM9AGS said:
Some dude that grows for money thinks they found out something that scientists haven't discovered. Placebo effect
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Of course I surely knew that there is nothing new, I would like to have some scientists to help with my problem and where are they? Oh they made bud blood/bug ignitor so you can cut time isn't it? I think there are a lot of people know do just about the same or better on this forum, they just don't want to share their thought yet. And a thread like this help people like me, so what is your problem?
 
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tinhmuonkiep

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BobCajun said:
You pretty much have to choose between quickness and quality. Now I don't know what chillin's weed is like. Maybe it's competitive with what's around where he lives. I just know that in my experience anything less than 10 weeks just doesn't cut it. Even 9 weeks is noticeably weaker than 10. Not trying to say chillin's methodology is necessarily bad. It just depends on what his goal is. It doesn't appear that it's producing premium weed. More a matter of beating the bud rot. Not trying to be rude or anything, just skeptical.
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What are you growing? You talk like there is only 1 strain on this earth and it need 10 wks. I think you need to to experience more. A 7-8 week strain if you keep more than 10 week and you call that a top shelf? maybe with bottom buds (if there is light), top buds either rot or the potency is not good anymore. What can you do when most top buds have 90% hairs are brown and the trichomes turned milky already at week 6/7. Keeping another week is not a problem, so chillin already said, but 3 wks.... nah it is best when you start early when top buds due. I never seen a plant that have top and bottom buds 2 feets apart have the same quality, not with horizontal lighting.

Cutting 3 weeks is a method for those who don't know, it is a little bit over saying but it does work. You don't have to chop down all your buds at once, wait another week after you cut all the top so the light can go down to bottom buds, there is the only way for all quality buds. Do I really have to explain this to a well known mem!? With out these speed up med, a 9 week strain need 10 - 11 week for the bottom buds to be ready. Is this why you think "...anything less than 10 weeks just doesn't cut it"?
 
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Chillin chillin

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tinhmuonkiep said:
What are you growing? You talk like there is only 1 strain on this earth and it need 10 wks. I think you need to to experience more. A 7-8 week strain if you keep more than 10 week and you call that a top shelf? maybe with bottom buds (if there is light), top buds either rot or the potency is not good anymore. What can you do when most top buds have 90% hairs are brown and the trichomes turned milky already at week 6/7. Keeping another week is not a problem, so chillin already said, but 3 wks.... nah it is best when you start early when top buds due. I never seen a plant that have top and bottom buds 2 feets apart have the same quality, not with horizontal lighting.

Cutting 3 weeks is a method for those who don't know, it is a little bit over saying but it does work. You don't have to chop down all your buds at once, wait another week after you cut all the top so the light can go down to bottom buds, there is the only way for all quality buds. Do I really have to explain this to a well known mem!? With out these speed up med, a 9 week strain need 10 - 11 week for the bottom buds to be ready. Is this why you think "...anything less than 10 weeks just doesn't cut it"?
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There is a lot of knowledge out there about growing this beautiful plant, their iare thousands of ways to grow. Many people choose to stay silent as I have for years sharing nothing. Of course we are not scientists, but the nutrient we use where formulated by them.
We choose to keep our plants from 16-24" for ease of handling them, they dry rather quickly and our light penetrates complete canopy even w the Chinese knock offs.
I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything just trying to share what works. Many years ago we had no clue but quickly got a handle on the situation.
The 36 hrs dark w no water plays a roll, the bud igniter/blood plays a roll, the way we feed our plants plays a roll, the Koop bloom plays a roll, having our rooms dialed in plays a roll.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Chillin chillin said:
There is a lot of knowledge out there about growing this beautiful plant, their iare thousands of ways to grow. Many people choose to stay silent as I have for years sharing nothing. Of course we are not scientists, but the nutrient we use where formulated by them.
We choose to keep our plants from 16-24" for ease of handling them, they dry rather quickly and our light penetrates complete canopy even w the Chinese knock offs.
I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything just trying to share what works. Many years ago we had no clue but quickly got a handle on the situation.
The 36 hrs dark w no water plays a roll, the bud igniter/blood plays a roll, the way we feed our plants plays a roll, the Koop bloom plays a roll, having our rooms dialed in plays a roll.
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The question I have for you is if you think you're giving up yield by not going longer, and if what you're losing is more or less than the extra crop you pull every year for doing it?

Have you done any calculations to gain some insight?
 
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Chillin chillin

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We could let it go longer, past few years cut from 8-9 weeks, but the difference was approximately 8-15%if we let it go 1-2 more weeks but then we have issues w the tops. We tried to cut tops and let bottoms go a bit longer but after many attempt we found it better to harvest the entire room before it sets in. Keeps us moving, always w fresh product for the shops
 
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oswizzle

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Str8 Bro Science 101

Immature product to the market .. that's what you get at the ghetto collectives that charge like 25-35 an 1/8th

We the people vs Bro Science
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Chillin chillin said:
Other people's kids....
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Other people's kids what?

It is what it is man. Them buds are not to their full potential.

This argument has been hashed out in another thread. For one THC testing is not accurate and two it doesn't really mean anything. %15 might blister you more than %25 thc.

THC is just one cannabinoid. There ate over 60 other ones. Those developed later in flower.


I'm not knocking your grow or saying your wrong to do it your way.

Its just I know your not getting the full potential out of those buds.

It is what it is. Production for money. Like I said, nothing wrong with that. Make that money.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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whitebb2727 said:
Other people's kids what?

It is what it is man. Them buds are not to their full potential.

This argument has been hashed out in another thread. For one THC testing is not accurate and two it doesn't really mean anything. %15 might blister you more than %25 thc.

THC is just one cannabinoid. There ate over 60 other ones. Those developed later in flower.


I'm not knocking your grow or saying your wrong to do it your way.

Its just I know your not getting the full potential out of those buds.

It is what it is. Production for money. Like I said, nothing wrong with that. Make that money.
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FWIW, one of the central tenets of the research I'm doing is improving production and efficiency while maintaining a high quality product. I believe the two goals are not mutually incompatible.

My strains don't all finish right at 8 weeks, either- so I built a finish zone for them to chill and ripen until they're ready. Voila! Demands of production AND quality are both satisfied! How 'bout that?

I'm still reading this thread for tips on how to better control the rate of maturation, he's got a lot of good strategies.
 
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Chillin chillin

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whitebb2727 said:
I don't believe they are top shelf.


You can say what you want but your system is designed for one thing. Speed of production. That means your concern is money.

Let them go three more weeks and they would be better. It is what it is.

Its in your tone and they way you carry yourself.

I'm not saying anything is wrong with that. Make that money.

Just don't think you can blow smoke up our asses. Some of us are weed snobs here.
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Let's see a pic of one of your "Mastered" hydro runs or is it just easier to mix all your stuff up and add water since that seems to be your system. Is that because your hydro was lacking and this is everything mixed up?
 
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Chillin chillin

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ttystikk said:
FWIW, one of the central tenets of the research I'm doing is improving production and efficiency while maintaining a high quality product. I believe the two goals are not mutually incompatible.

My strains don't all finish right at 8 weeks, either- so I built a finish zone for them to chill and ripen until they're ready. Voila! Demands of production AND quality are both satisfied! How 'bout that?

I'm still reading this thread for tips on how to better control the rate of maturation, he's got a lot of good strategies.
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This room is lights out today @ 10 pm. I'll keep you guys updated weekly.
Although this is my 1st airport run so may take 8 weeks w the larger root mass.
We shall seeimage.jpgimage.jpg
 
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