EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

[ttystikk]

Well from a radical standpoint, I see him having had a de-radicalizing effect. He brought left wing activists into the Democrat fold and yet the Democrat platform still sucks, the candidate is bought and sold by the financial sector and military industrial sector, and nobody is focusing on the (fucking god damn expletive RAGE) climate emergency.

He has objectively served the interests of the DNC brilliantly.

EXACTLY.

 

[abandonconflict]

I bought a used car. I'm developing technology to save megawatts of energy on a daily basis. Your lifestyle is far less green than mine. Let's not confuse that with political leanings.

Mrs Clinton is not a liberal and never was. You're twisting the label to suit your own opinion. The democratic party hasn't been liberal in 20 years.

I'm no longer believing in America as a democracy. You can if you like, but don't call me off base without more proof than 'because some media head said so'.

First off, I can carry everything I own and I have spent countless hours on reef restoration projects for free, and I NEVER drive ANY vehicle, or run an air conditioner or eat meat. So no, I promise, you are not, nor will you ever be, greener than I am.

Secondly, no, I'm not twisting it. The word means what it means. @UncleBuck is a liberal, but you know why I like him? He is consistent and he knows where he stands. The Dem Party is liberal. Words have meanings.

 

[abandonconflict]

EXACTLY.

OK, so you agree, then you're admitting that you're really just a Democrat.

 

[Fogdog]

Well from a radical standpoint, I see him having had a de-radicalizing effect. He brought left wing activists into the Democrat fold and yet the Democrat platform still sucks, the candidate is bought and sold by the financial sector and military industrial sector, and nobody is focusing on the (fucking god damn expletive RAGE) climate emergency.

He has objectively served the interests of the DNC brilliantly.

Maybe so. Maybe it would be better if left wing activists gave up on the Democratic Party and lent power to another one, like the Green Party. I still think it's up to Hillary to convince the left wing to vote for her and certainly that's the message Bernie gave to the DNC. It's probably why he's now treated as irrelevant. I think he's only going to be so for about 100 more days.

It is time to see development of the Green Party. In this regard, I hope they have a strong showing in November. Just not enough to give us a repeat of what happened in 2000. I don't blame the Green Party or Nader for what happened. However, when the left stayed on the sidelines, the hard right took power, the Democratic Party moved to the right and we messed up a whole generation with wars and recession. Everybody should vote their conscience but they should take into account that elections DO matter.

 

[abandonconflict]

Maybe so. Maybe it would be better if left wing activists gave up on the Democratic Party and lent power to another one, like the Green Party. I still think it's up to Hillary to convince the left wing to vote for her and certainly that's the message Bernie gave to the DNC. It's probably why he's now treated as irrelevant. I think he's only going to be so for about 100 more days.

It is time to see development of the Green Party. In this regard, I hope they have a strong showing in November. Just not enough to give us a repeat of what happened in 2000. I don't blame the Green Party or Nader for what happened. However, when the left stayed on the sidelines, the hard right took power, the Democratic Party moved to the right and we messed up a whole generation with wars and recession. Everybody should vote their conscience but they should take into account that elections DO matter.

A lot of Dems voted for Dubya in 2000, more than enough to forget about the ones who voted for Nader. The write-ins for Bernie won't have that sort of effect, they'll be ignored. They could give the GOP swing states, especially Florida. There are a lot of fucking morons in Florida who don't understand this. There is this widespread belief that they can write-in who ever they want to.

At least a Green vote makes the only party with a good platform gain traction. I will not vote Dem again, even faced with Trump, I just won't do it. I won't even do it if it is Bernie. I would vote for Bernie if he goes Green though. Stein would make a fine VP and they would keep his momentum and even draw tons of Dems into the GP. That's why I laugh when these Dems in denial call themselves independent. They're not independent, they are not even radical. They're just confused Democrats.

 

[abandonconflict]

 

[ttystikk]

Well from a radical standpoint, I see him having had a de-radicalizing effect. He brought left wing activists into the Democrat fold and yet the Democrat platform still sucks, the candidate is bought and sold by the financial sector and military industrial sector, and nobody is focusing on the (fucking god damn expletive RAGE) climate emergency.

He has objectively served the interests of the DNC brilliantly.

And y'all call me the extremist for being upset about all this?

 

[ttystikk]

OK, so you agree, then you're admitting that you're really just a Democrat.

A political party does not define what I stand for. They don't stand for nearly anything I want and I don't support them. Thus, you can't call me a Democrat.

 

[ttystikk]

A lot of Dems voted for Dubya in 2000, more than enough to forget about the ones who voted for Nader. The write-ins for Bernie won't have that sort of effect, they'll be ignored. They could give the GOP swing states, especially Florida. There are a lot of fucking morons in Florida who don't understand this. There is this widespread belief that they can write-in who ever they want to.

At least a Green vote makes the only party with a good platform gain traction. I will not vote Dem again, even faced with Trump, I just won't do it. I won't even do it if it is Bernie. I would vote for Bernie if he goes Green though. Stein would make a fine VP and they would keep his momentum and even draw tons of Dems into the GP. That's why I laugh when these Dems in denial call themselves independent. They're not independent, they are not even radical. They're just confused Democrats.

Maybe it's the Democratic party that's confused, silly.

 

[abandonconflict]

Maybe it's the Democratic party that's confused, silly.

No, they're liberal. That is what liberalism is. That is why liberalism was not persecuted during the McCarthy witch hunts.

 

[ttystikk]

No, they're liberal. That is what liberalism is. That is why liberalism was not persecuted during the McCarthy witch hunts.

Funny how they hew to conservative principles when they actually vote these days. I'm

 

[londonfog]

But not conceding or endorsing her..

Telling people on national T.V. that you will be voting for Hillary is pretty much an endorsement. Him not conceding is him trying to soak those 15 minutes. What Bernie does not realize the longer he holds out the more capital he waste.

 

[schuylaar]

The biggest threat to the ascendancy of the establishment candidate is vanishing from the news cycle... Just like they ignored the rest of his strong run.

Pardon me while I digest this latest excuse for gauging the will of the people.

Bra-vo, my steed..bra-vo!!!

 

[schuylaar]

I don't really want to rub your nose in it but if you insist:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/06/bernie_sanders_blew_it.html
Bernie Blew It

Elizabeth Warren is the surrogate he was supposed to be. His supporters have become Clinton’s. How Sanders overplayed his hand.
By Jamelle Bouie

In the most recent poll from ABC News and the Washington Post, Clinton leads Trump 51 percent to 39 percent, expanding her previous lead by 5 points, as Trump has seen a complete collapse in his support. And what’s driving the move toward Clinton? Democrats and independents who supported Bernie Sanders. In May, 20 percent of Sanders supporters said they would back Trump over Clinton in the general election. In June, that number is down to 8 percent. Overall, 81 percent of Sanders backers have rallied to Clinton, surpassing the 74 percent of Clinton supporters in 2008 who fell in behind Barack Obama. By any measure, the Democratic Party is unified.

The closing paragraph:
As it stands, the Vermont senator has almost vanished from the news cycle, overshadowed by Clinton’s growing lead, overall Democratic unity, global events, and the never-ending emissions of Donald Trump. He’ll still matter to the shape and direction of the Democratic National Convention, but he could have had a larger, more visible role. Bernie Sanders had his shot, and he threw it away.

Yeah two-face comes to mind..

 

[schuylaar]

Telling people on national T.V. that you will be voting for Hillary is pretty much an endorsement. Him not conceding is him trying to soak those 15 minutes. What Bernie does not realize the longer he holds out the more capital he waste.

Not when the next question is..'does this mean you are endorsing and/or conceding to Clinton'? And the answer is 'no'.

 

[schuylaar]

I think Bernie has through this process gained political capital and it's going to make things interesting in Washington later on. Maybe the decision to make Bernie irrelevant was his, as you say. I think he hasn't lost the liberal wing of the Democratic Party's support for his policies, he just lost his bid for the nomination.

I find it pretty amazing that a no name (to the non-political) can practically topple humpy dumpy without any special interest other than the special interest called the American people.

I also find it amazing that Brexit was conceived and implemented all within the time of 2007 crash, while the U.S. Dumbasses cannot politically fight their way out of a paper bag.

Woe is us.
~Abraham (Mary) Lincoln

 

[schuylaar]

Bernie is voting for her tho...

I've found the voting booth to be much like a confessional.

(If you're not Roman Catholic you may not get it)

 

[abandonconflict]

I've found the voting booth to be much like a confessional.

(If you're not Roman Catholic you may not get it)

Bernie is voting for Clinton tho...

 

[schuylaar]

You mean they're democrats... Yeah, she's a dem in denial.

The GP offered him continued relevancy, he, like his dem in denial fanbois such as sky, slapped that hand away.

How can you expect some whose platform to be completely opposite that of his rival to join said rival and/or aske your supporters to to same?

I'm sorry Bernie has scruples like his supporters..there are still 10M+ of us.

Aligning your position with; all the while was against?

We finally found someone with principle who couldn't be bought it's not necessary to endlessly ask the question.

 

[abandonconflict]

How can you expect some whose platform to be completely opposite that of his rival to join said rival and/or aske your supporters to to same?

I'm sorry Bernie has scruples like his supporters..there are still 10M+ of us.

Aligning your position with; all the while was against?

We finally found someone with principle who couldn't be bought it's not necessary to endlessly ask the question.

Yeah but he's voting for Clinton.