Pruning in Flower Cycle

[ELAC1nc]

This pic is of a plant that is two weeks into flowering. A week before flower it was defoliated of all fan leaves, except for 3 and what grew in later at the top which is 3 because it's a mutant. One towards the top, one towards the middle, one towards the bottom. In retrospect, the plant shouldn't have been left in veg for a week after defoliation. I'm looking back and guessing that the plant was still packing growth hormones, so when all the fan leaves were removed it went to the next thing that plant had available to grow and pushed all the node(sugar) growth into high gear. Now the node growth looks similar to what the plant did before defoliation. Only time will tell how she will turn out in the end.
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I'm hoping to get an LED in soon to put on her, for some better light penetration. She's up to 30", and CFL's are not going to be able to get in there without being decorated around her on fancy framework.

I also tried defoliation a little. trimmed off some of the fan leaves to encourage internodal growth.

only on a few. I also topped one of my plants in a specific spot and it seems to be growing back 3 tops?

I'm not scared to experiment but I did immediately regret it

after removal of some of the upper fan leaves I noticed a huge burst if internodal growth within a couple of hours.

much more than that u pruned of the same strain. I will flower soon as I want to start my next batch

 

[ELAC1nc]

I know they're small but I've got atleast 4 girls here so I'm expecting atleast 40 grams of bud minimum. they're about 30cm tall some of them they should double.

starting 12/12 today. some African bag seed cross genetics. expecting some variations of the original durban poison and some native strains

 

[Budley Doright]

Im not being a smartass, just answering your question. That is like asking how many tattoos and piercings ive done in the past 14 years of being a professional artist, theres no way of knowing how many plants ive grown since I was 17 years old. Enough that I wish I had all of it at once right now! lol.

Yes that was a shit question your right. But it seems like you have only done one or two indoor grows and it was better than all of your outdoor grows. When I started indoor hydro after 35 years of outdoor (14 FYI lol) it was a fairly big curve and still dialling things in. Not debating what is better btw just saying they all have their place and the potency has nothing to do with where it is grown, just how. I do both now and my plants outdoors are just as potent as their indoor siblings. Back on topic though ...... Defoliation, good or bad.

 

[Budley Doright]

I'm a newb and all but this is the only definitive proof I've seen in this thread. Side by side comparison.

It's two plants, one strain, one grow, hardly proof. Just sayin .

 

[Enigmatic Ways]

This subject never gets old do it, I lollipop and defoliate/prune with great success...I do it about twice in a plant's life once about a week before flower and then another about 2 to 3 weeks into flower, works like a charm.

1 week before flowering

This pic is about 2.5 weeks into flowering, plant on the right not defoliated yet, plant on the left defoliated.

Day 42 of 70 days flowering

 

[bict]

This subject never gets old do it, I lollipop and defoliate/prune with great success...I do it about twice in a plant's life once about a week before flower and then another about 2 to 3 weeks into flower, works like a charm.

1 week before floweringView attachment 3723379

This pic is about 2.5 weeks into flowering, plant on the right not defoliated yet, plant on the left defoliated.View attachment 3723380

Day 42 of 70 days floweringView attachment 3723382

So you don't have great success leaving the leaves on?

 

[Enigmatic Ways]

So you don't have great success leaving the leaves on?

Yes I have good success doing absolutely no defoliating and I noticed you get a slightly higher yield maybe about 10%...But and there's a big but, overall quality is slightly lowered and you get a lot and I mean a lot more popcorn nugs {about 50% more} that's pretty useless except for making some type of concentrate or whatever...So in the end when you balance the equation defoliation pays off for me in my situation.

 

[ELAC1nc]

is there a difference between pruning and defoliation because I feel like pruning during vegatative growth could be beneficial to improve the growth of bud sites whereas defoliation seems a bit more brutal deleafing the plant.

I will be actively testing pruning methods in my next grows to come. I think that defoliation during flowering could hurt the plant and decrease production for a couple days
while I don't know much I've noticed pruning some of the fan leaves to encourage internodal growth has proven enough to me. I'm not sure how these are going to flower but I'd like for the whole plant to be nugs. I'm guessing this is what I have to do to achieve that? they don't suffer too much stress when done slowly over a couple days.

flowering in a week to see the difference between topped pruned and normal

 

[chronicals77]

I had a conversation with Scotty Reals owner of Real Growers, he's grown millions of plants. He says absolutely defoliate large fan leaves 3 weeks into flower UNLESS you are getting excellent light penetration and anyone using cfls to flower or LED's(unless its a $500 or better fixture) is not getting excellent light penetration. So there it is from a person thats more than likely grown more plants than all of us put together. Had this conversation with him yesterday. I have also seen Jill Lane defoliate durring flower and this chic can identify strains just by the smell! So you see I dont just make up shit, I conversate with some of the best growers in the world. Mic drop.....walks of stage quietly

 

[Budley Doright]

I had a conversation with Scotty Reals owner of Real Growers, he's grown millions of plants. He says absolutely defoliate large fan leaves 3 weeks into flower UNLESS you are getting excellent light penetration and anyone using cfls to flower or LED's(unless its a $500 or better fixture) is not getting excellent light penetration. So there it is from a person thats more than likely grown more plants than all of us put together. Had this conversation with him yesterday. I have also seen Jill Lane defoliate durring flower and this chic can identify strains just by the smell! So you see I dont just make up shit, I conversate with some of the best growers in the world. Mic drop.....walks of stage quietly

Well ok then, it's settled, defoilation is good and everyone should be doing it. So why isn't everyone lol? Did you pull leaves off your outdoor grows and did it increase yields? And it's good to know that if I spend $500 + on an LED it will eliminate the need to defoliate.

 

[KryptoBud]

QUOTE="chronicals77, post: 12742563, member: 929588"]I had a conversation with Scotty Reals owner of Real Growers, he's grown millions of plants. He says absolutely defoliate large fan leaves 3 weeks into flower UNLESS you are getting excellent light penetration and anyone using cfls to flower or LED's(unless its a $500 or better fixture) is not getting excellent light penetration. So there it is from a person thats more than likely grown more plants than all of us put together. Had this conversation with him yesterday. I have also seen Jill Lane defoliate durring flower and this chic can identify strains just by the smell! So you see I dont just make up shit, I conversate with some of the best growers in the world. Mic drop.....walks of stage quietly[/QUOTE]
WOWWSERS you talk to scotty reals thats very impressive. Who needs more proof than that? Jill Lane does it to? Theres no way you could be making anything up. 100% fact a guy on the internet talks to the best growers in the world says so, so sharpen up your scissors.

Come on man, really? That's a sig worthy post. You should walk off the stage quietly with your face hidden in shame.

I know jeff gordon and he says if you flatten all your tires you'll get better gas mileage because it puts more rubber to the road and he can tell different brands of motor oil just by smelling it

 

[rzza]

I'll post results in a month, I am doing a side by side with gg#4. I am 33 days into flower and I just defoliated one of three plants, two nights ago. I am hoping to see a difference in the size of buds.

 

[chronicals77]

Some people will just never progress because they already know it all, others will never learn because they are too busy flapping thier lips instead of listening. I feel sorry for those people. As for Jill Lane, she gets 100% correct everytime. I wonder if anyone here poses' the title Master Cannabis Gardner. How many Cannabis Cups and awards do you have? Lets see them. You put me down because I have relationships with people, mature. Keep growing a couple oz per plant of mid grade pot, these forums are a fucking joke just like other professionals warned me they were. What a shame....some people need to stop growing until they get some real equipment. Cfls, good for starting seeds and rooting clones, thats it. AN, good for nothing. Get a grip!

 

[Chef420]

It's two plants, one strain, one grow, hardly proof. Just sayin .

I know. I only meant within the context of the thread. @rzza will post a side by side comparison. ^^^

 

[Gary Goodson]

Some people will just never progress because they already know it all, others will never learn because they are too busy flapping thier lips instead of listening. I feel sorry for those people. As for Jill Lane, she gets 100% correct everytime. I wonder if anyone here poses' the title Master Cannabis Gardner. How many Cannabis Cups and awards do you have? Lets see them. You put me down because I have relationships with people, mature. Keep growing a couple oz per plant of mid grade pot, these forums are a fucking joke just like other professionals warned me they were. What a shame....some people need to stop growing until they get some real equipment. Cfls, good for starting seeds and rooting clones, thats it. AN, good for nothing. Get a grip!

Dude, you need to get a grip. You are a joke and a total idiot. Talking about folks that think they know it all pffffff isn't that exactly how you're acting? Like a dumbass know it all? If you don't like it here, log out.

While I'm at it, nobody counts flowering the way you do. I count from the flip, that's day one. The minute it goes into 12/12. You just like to say bullshit like "nobody has buds like mine at 3 weeks" yea dumbass because you're really 4-5 weeks into flower. Chump has to lie about flower times to make himself feel like he's doing better than others.

You suck as a person. Just do yourself a favor and log out man

 

[Resinhound]

Some people will just never progress because they already know it all, others will never learn because they are too busy flapping thier lips instead of listening. I feel sorry for those people. As for Jill Lane, she gets 100% correct everytime. I wonder if anyone here poses' the title Master Cannabis Gardner. How many Cannabis Cups and awards do you have? Lets see them. You put me down because I have relationships with people, mature. Keep growing a couple oz per plant of mid grade pot, these forums are a fucking joke just like other professionals warned me they were. What a shame....some people need to stop growing until they get some real equipment. Cfls, good for starting seeds and rooting clones, thats it. AN, good for nothing. Get a grip!

Look dude.. You are the one coming off here as the know it all. You show a picture of a plant 1000x in response to any opposition to your ideals and expect everyone to bow before your greatness. Well dude, it's probably not ever going to happen...

I think it's great to share experiences and opinions, it's when you argue them as facts because so and so said and throw up a picture of 1 plant as if that's proof of anything, that's where it kinda gets dicey bro.

 

[Resinhound]

Dude, you need to get a grip. You are a joke and a total idiot. Talking about folks that think they know it all pffffff isn't that exactly how you're acting? Like a dumbass know it all? If you don't like it here, log out.

While I'm at it, nobody counts flowering the way you do. I count from the flip, that's day one. The minute it goes into 12/12. You just like to say bullshit like "nobody has buds like mine at 3 weeks" yea dumbass because you're really 4-5 weeks into flower. Chump has to lie about flower times to make himself feel like he's doing better than others.

You suck as a person. Just do yourself a favor and log out man

Once again... Gary nails it.

 

[chronicals77]

Your wrong! Absolutely positively wrong. Plants transition between veg and flower whether you know this or not and feeding should be backed off some at this time before increasing pk. Flip, then week trans, then flower. Im week 4 flower, the first week flowers grow barely at all because the plant puts it energy into stretching to increase bud sites. People that do things to stop or drastically reduce stretching are idiots. You figure out how much room you have for total growth, you figure out how much your strain grows during flower and you flip at the proper hieght so you can maximize yield without pla.ts growing into the lights. Indicas x 1.5 durring flower, hybrids x 2, and sativas x 2.5. This doesnt stand true for every strain but most it does. In rare cases some sativas can even triple in height durring flower. Yeah, im an idiot. I rarely see plants lije mine on here. People talk like they can do it, if you could you would be doing it. You not knowing about transition proves along with the others you know that you just dont know what you think you know. You feel threatened when someone knows something you dont. This is why you jokers attack, you dont have the mental capacity to have debates without insulting people. Your the joke and the idiot! You wouldnt say it to my face you troll I guarantee it! My information on veg, trans, and flower was identified by N.A.S.A. scientists. I suppose there idiots too. Look at any GH feeding program, week 4 TRANSITION! I suppose even though they work with N.A.S.A they dont know anything either. Take your insults and shove them up your ass! Your a tough guy, you can talk shit online. Ooooh, I shiver! Smoke a little less and learn something.

 

[Resinhound]

Your wrong! Absolutely positively wrong. Plants transition between veg and flower whether you know this or not and feeding should be backed off some at this time before increasing pk. Flip, then week trans, then flower. Im week 4 flower, the first week flowers grow barely at all because the plant puts it energy into stretching to increase bud sites. People that do things to stop or drastically reduce stretching are idiots. You figure out how much room you have for total growth, you figure out how much your strain grows during flower and you flip at the proper hieght so you can maximize yield without pla.ts growing into the lights. Indicas x 1.5 durring flower, hybrids x 2, and sativas x 2.5. This doesnt stand true for every strain but most it does. In rare cases some sativas can even triple in height durring flower. Yeah, im an idiot. I rarely see plants lije mine on here. People talk like they can do it, if you could you would be doing it. You not knowing about transition proves along with the others you know that you just dont know what you think you know. You feel threatened when someone knows something you dont. This is why you jokers attack, you dont have the mental capacity to have debates without insulting people. Your the joke and the idiot! You wouldnt say it to my face you troll I guarantee it! My information on veg, trans, and flower was identified by N.A.S.A. scientists. I suppose there idiots too. Look at any GH feeding program, week 4 TRANSITION! I suppose even though they work with N.A.S.A they dont know anything either. Take your insults and shove them up your ass! Your a tough guy, you can talk shit online. Ooooh, I shiver! Smoke a little less and learn something.

GH works with NASA to grow cannabis, good info man. Do you have any reference material to cite from these studies or is this just something you were told as well? Oh wait you can't compare tomatoes to cannabis remember when you said that dude?

 

[Gary Goodson]

Your wrong! Absolutely positively wrong. Plants transition between veg and flower whether you know this or not and feeding should be backed off some at this time before increasing pk. Flip, then week trans, then flower. Im week 4 flower, the first week flowers grow barely at all because the plant puts it energy into stretching to increase bud sites. People that do things to stop or drastically reduce stretching are idiots. You figure out how much room you have for total growth, you figure out how much your strain grows during flower and you flip at the proper hieght so you can maximize yield without pla.ts growing into the lights. Indicas x 1.5 durring flower, hybrids x 2, and sativas x 2.5. This doesnt stand true for every strain but most it does. In rare cases some sativas can even triple in height durring flower. Yeah, im an idiot. I rarely see plants lije mine on here. People talk like they can do it, if you could you would be doing it. You not knowing about transition proves along with the others you know that you just dont know what you think you know. You feel threatened when someone knows something you dont. This is why you jokers attack, you dont have the mental capacity to have debates without insulting people. Your the joke and the idiot! You wouldnt say it to my face you troll I guarantee it! My information on veg, trans, and flower was identified by N.A.S.A. scientists. I suppose there idiots too. Look at any GH feeding program, week 4 TRANSITION! I suppose even though they work with N.A.S.A they dont know anything either. Take your insults and shove them up your ass! Your a tough guy, you can talk shit online. Ooooh, I shiver! Smoke a little less and learn something.

Hey man I'm just calling it like I see it. Get outta your ass retard. You suck and you know it. Get outta here with your bullshit. You dont know a damn thing about me or my grows.

Just because it's the transition does not mean it's not in 12/12, correct? If the timer is set to 12/12 you're in flower, period. I continue to feed veg nutes till they put on flowers and stop stretching. Usually at around 2 wks, but even though im feeding veg fertilizers(thru the "transition"), it's still in flower.

You just keep typing though, show us how much you know.