Messed up my schedule no time to cook SS. What other options?

turnip brain

turnip brain

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I haven't grown in a couple years and decided on a whim to pop some seeds. Got a late start, and due to travel/ and other demands on my time am now caught behind. Starting to train them for mainlining/manifold, and they will be ready for final transplant in a week or two.

I have always grown using the supersoil method on final transplant, but this time didn't plan ahead. Don;t have cooked SS. I do still have the raw materials.

Is there some way to enrich soil with ammendments that don't require the month or two of cooking?

Or, just use bigger amounts of regular soil?

Or????

I don;t mind buying a couple bags of some richer soil, worm castings etc

Please help me make this grow finish!
 
hyroot

hyroot

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mix up soil. and water soil with compost tea's, seed sprout teas and labs and mix in some gro kashi in the soil too. That will speed up the cooking process.

you can use coco water as an alternative to seed sprout tea's

if you don't cook the soil. it will be too hot and there will be lots of deficiencies.
 
turnip brain

turnip brain

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Hyroot, you say mix up soil, do you mean supersoil? I know of course SS needs to cook down. I don;t have time. These baby's have only 1+ week until final transplant.

A-senile, do you use the tones as top dressing or mix in??

unwine, DANG! that's some fine fast growth! So you only cooked for 5 days before use?


I have been reading many threads here and everywhere today.

I am thinking two possible methods:

1-mixing a 1:1:1 peat, compost/worm castings and perlite base, and mixing some supersoil like amendment and cooking it to use as top dressing. I could transplant into the straight base mix then dress dress dress and water in as needed.

Also based on Billyblanks no cook supersoil thread, I have a bunch of old used soil. It's used an abused, but wondering about FF soil conditioner with some of my old dead soil. Would that mixed up need cooking?
 
Flaming Pie

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a senile fungus said:
@Flaming Pie used Epsoma plant tone with good success, but I'm not sure which one or combo she used. It's a dry organic additive, great stuff, no cooking necessary. I've used the bio-tone and the plant-tone with great success to make a quick healthy soil.
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It actually needs to be cooked. You need 3 cups per 5 gallons of peat&perlite. The amount they say to use is not high enough for a full grow.
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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If you keep it moist for a week it will be safe for transplant. Needs cooked longer for seedlings.

3 cups to your peat perlite 5 gallon. Also buy alaska veggies and tomatos and use that at 3 weeks as top dress.

Boom
 
a senile fungus

a senile fungus

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Flaming Pie said:
It actually needs to be cooked. You need 3 cups per 5 gallons of peat&perlite. The amount they say to use is not high enough for a full grow.
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Flaming Pie said:
If you keep it moist for a week it will be safe for transplant. Needs cooked longer for seedlings.

3 cups to your peat perlite 5 gallon. Also buy alaska veggies and tomatos and use that at 3 weeks as top dress.

Boom
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Hmm... I use the plant tone with no cooking for my seedlings. I make a light mix, and sow my seeds right into it. Three days later I can see mycelium growing, and seeds sprout in 3-5 days typically.

I either premix it with my soil, or topdress, depending on my needs and prep time.



3cups per 5gal you say, I'll try it out. I've always made my mixes light, and added as necessary.

Thanks pie!
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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a senile fungus said:
Hmm... I use the plant tone with no cooking for my seedlings. I make a light mix, and sow my seeds right into it. Three days later I can see mycelium growing, and seeds sprout in 3-5 days typically.

I either premix it with my soil, or topdress, depending on my needs and prep time.



3cups per 5gal you say, I'll try it out. I've always made my mixes light, and added as necessary.

Thanks pie!
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a senile fungus said:
Hmm... I use the plant tone with no cooking for my seedlings. I make a light mix, and sow my seeds right into it. Three days later I can see mycelium growing, and seeds sprout in 3-5 days typically.

I either premix it with my soil, or topdress, depending on my needs and prep time.



3cups per 5gal you say, I'll try it out. I've always made my mixes light, and added as necessary.

Thanks pie!
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Its fine when used as recommended. But the amount has to be higher for a full grow mix.

I also add 1/2 cup kelp meal and 1/2 cup oyster shell flour and 5 cups ewc to my 5 gallons of reclaimed.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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turnip brain said:
Hyroot, you say mix up soil, do you mean supersoil? I know of course SS needs to cook down. I don;t have time. These baby's have only 1+ week until final transplant.

A-senile, do you use the tones as top dressing or mix in??

unwine, DANG! that's some fine fast growth! So you only cooked for 5 days before use?


I have been reading many threads here and everywhere today.

I am thinking two possible methods:

1-mixing a 1:1:1 peat, compost/worm castings and perlite base, and mixing some supersoil like amendment and cooking it to use as top dressing. I could transplant into the straight base mix then dress dress dress and water in as needed.

Also based on Billyblanks no cook supersoil thread, I have a bunch of old used soil. It's used an abused, but wondering about FF soil conditioner with some of my old dead soil. Would that mixed up need cooking?
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Yeah. But you don't have to do the same recipe. The coots recipe takes half as long to cook as super soil recipe. The guano and bone meals take forever to break down. SS is a redundant recipe too.

If you are going to veg for a while first. The base mix will be fine for a short time. Then water in the new soil when you top dress. Also top dress more castings on top of the mix


Personally I don't like.plant tone. Everyone I know that uses it . All their strains taste the same. They all taste Iike train wreck. .
 
MustangStudFarm

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hyroot said:
Yeah. But you don't have to do the same recipe. The coots recipe takes half as long to cook as super soil recipe.
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This was my thought!!! Look into ClackamasCoots rather than "Super-Soil"...

Edit: I believe that it only needs 2 weeks to age, right???
 
turnip brain

turnip brain

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Thanks all!

Going to go with something more like Coot's, leave out the bat guano, bloodmeal etc (super hot stuff). I'll source ingredients tomorrow, and start it cooking, then when transplanting use a buffer between the #1 pot mass and the warmer mix. I think I can hold out for a week of cook starting tomorrow

Also going to reclaim what used soil I have, ammend, cook now and store for the future. (next year)

Still eager to hear other thoughts in the mix!
 
turnip brain

turnip brain

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Hmm, found another info source with a recipe to reclaim used soil. This is the simplest for me, and requires sourcing less stuff. Sounds like it should work.

Base soil is mostly used Roots organic and maybe 20% spent supersoil.

I am going to need around 12cu ft now, and the rest will go into an ongoing soil building/compost bin.

How's this look?

8.8 cu ft used soil
2.2 cu ft fresh local worm castings
1.1cu ft 3/4" lava rock
-kelp meal: 3/4 cup per cubic foot of soil.
-crab/oyster 3/4c per cu ft
-plant tone: about 1/4-1/2 cup per cubic foot. (low amount to reduce risk of burn) 5c
-lime: approximately 1/4 cup per cubic foot of soil 3c
-neem 1/2c/cu ft
-1-2 c mineral mix incl some azomite

(I already have the neem, azomite)

Am I overdoing any particular ingredient or ingredients in combo?

Also have humic acid. Any reasons to use or not use?

And, what about something quick and simple to kick microbes into the mix?
 
MustangStudFarm

MustangStudFarm

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turnip brain said:
Hmm, found another info source with a recipe to reclaim used soil. This is the simplest for me, and requires sourcing less stuff. Sounds like it should work.

Base soil is mostly used Roots organic and maybe 20% spent supersoil.

I am going to need around 12cu ft now, and the rest will go into an ongoing soil building/compost bin.

How's this look?

8.8 cu ft used soil
2.2 cu ft fresh local worm castings
1.1cu ft 3/4" lava rock
-kelp meal: 3/4 cup per cubic foot of soil.
-crab/oyster 3/4c per cu ft
-plant tone: about 1/4-1/2 cup per cubic foot. (low amount to reduce risk of burn) 5c
-lime: approximately 1/4 cup per cubic foot of soil 3c
-neem 1/2c/cu ft
-1-2 c mineral mix incl some azomite

(I already have the neem, azomite)

Am I overdoing any particular ingredient or ingredients in combo?

Also have humic acid. Any reasons to use or not use?

And, what about something quick and simple to kick microbes into the mix?
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This will make it simple for you lol... Some people dont like pre-mixed becuase you really dont know the ratios that they used or if it is blended well. I would still use this anyday over Espoma products and lime!!! You should check out thier "blog" section. They explain how and why they use thier mix.

http://buildasoil.com/collections/amendments/products/the-clackamas-kit

Re-Amenendment kit:
http://buildasoil.com/collections/amendments/products/nutrient-kit-reamend

Here is the blog, scroll down past the videos to the steps for making your soil...
http://buildasoil.com/blogs/news?page=2
 
MustangStudFarm

MustangStudFarm

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turnip brain said:
And, what about something quick and simple to kick microbes into the mix?
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That is EXACTLY what the compost/vermicompost is for!!! Dont skip on it, it needs to be 1/3 of your mix... Read the blog section, it will answer a lot of your questions. They even talk about probiotic farming.

It would be cool if you started with the clackmas and moved to building your own compost. It is FULL of microbes, it has to be to break it down!
 
Flaming Pie

Flaming Pie

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turnip brain said:
Hmm, found another info source with a recipe to reclaim used soil. This is the simplest for me, and requires sourcing less stuff. Sounds like it should work.

Base soil is mostly used Roots organic and maybe 20% spent supersoil.

I am going to need around 12cu ft now, and the rest will go into an ongoing soil building/compost bin.

How's this look?

8.8 cu ft used soil
2.2 cu ft fresh local worm castings
1.1cu ft 3/4" lava rock
-kelp meal: 3/4 cup per cubic foot of soil.
-crab/oyster 3/4c per cu ft
-plant tone: about 1/4-1/2 cup per cubic foot. (low amount to reduce risk of burn) 5c
-lime: approximately 1/4 cup per cubic foot of soil 3c
-neem 1/2c/cu ft
-1-2 c mineral mix incl some azomite

(I already have the neem, azomite)

Am I overdoing any particular ingredient or ingredients in combo?

Also have humic acid. Any reasons to use or not use?

And, what about something quick and simple to kick microbes into the mix?
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I use 3 cups for 5 gallons. I think a cubic foot is 7 gallons. I would up the plant tone to a minimum of 3 cups to cubic foot.
 
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