subs supersoil

[greasemonkeymann]

Amen

CAN I GET ANOTHER AMEN??? For the cheap seats?

Let the choir sing Hallelujah!

 

[Mason Jar 92705]

6 bags of roots organic
3 bags of biobizz light mix
20 pounds of dolomite lime
Alfalfa meal
Oyster shell
Blood meal
50 lbs of worm casting
Kelp meal
Blood meal
Humic acid
Azomite rock dust
Epsom salt
Fish bone meal
High phosphorus bat guano
Organic perlite
Clay pebbles
Great white mycorrhizae

20 lbs of dolomite lime??? You mean 2-3 cups or a couple handfuls, not 20 lbs. lol

 

[Mason Jar 92705]

I've been using Sub's mix for the past 4 years and works wonders in my garden. The green, lush, vigorous growth in veg and then the perfect fade. Why try to fix something that isn't broken? I do add a little more animal poop than the original recipe. The mixing of items/ wetting it down and finally sit long enough to break down is the most important. I prefer an 8 week wait. I think the problem is people get impatient don't let it sit or mix good enough, then they get 'ify' results and get pissed off. Just my opinion

 

[Rasta Roy]

I've been using Sub's mix for the past 4 years and works wonders in my garden. The green, lush, vigorous growth in veg and then the perfect fade. Why try to fix something that isn't broken? I do add a little more animal poop than the original recipe. The mixing of items/ wetting it down and finally sit long enough to break down is the most important. I prefer an 8 week wait. I think the problem is people get impatient don't let it sit or mix good enough, then they get 'ify' results and get pissed off. Just my opinion

Our main issue is not the recipe...even though there are issues there as well...our issue is with the practice of putting layers of soil in a container.

You layer compost as a top dressing or mix it evenly in your soil.

YOU DONT PUT IT AT THE BOTTOM OF THE POT.

 

[Mason Jar 92705]

I don't layer my SS either. The bottom 2/3 of the pot is Roots and the SS mixed together by hand and the top half, only Roots.

 

[Rasta Roy]

I don't layer my SS either. The bottom half of the pot is Roots and the SS mixed together by hand and the top half, only Roots.

I'm super confused...you said I don't layer...and then you gave a detailed description on how you layer your soil. Am I reading that wrong or are you higher than I am? Lol

 

[Mason Jar 92705]

What I was trying to say was that the bottom half of my pots aren't just SS only. The bottom 2/3 is around 50/50 of SS and Roots. Yeah, I've been smoking this morning already

 

[Rasta Roy]

Nutrients in nature come from the top...not the bottom...why put your nutrient rich materials at the bottom of the pot, they belong up top or evenly distributed throughout the medium. So if anything... Your pot should be just whatever your potting soil is...and then you top dress with a two inch layer of your SS, and refresh that top dressing once a month.

 

[Rasta Roy]

What I was trying to say was that the bottom half of my pots aren't just SS only. The bottom 2/3 is around 50/50 of SS and Roots. Yeah, I've been smoking this morning already

Why not mix it all in evenly though? Or go the above said top dressing route?

Have you ever read this?
http://buildasoil.com/blogs/news/12533881-whats-so-cool-about-super-soil-the-super-soil-recipe-breakdown

 

[Mason Jar 92705]

Nutrients in nature come from the top...not the bottom...why put your nutrient rich materials at the bottom of the pot, they belong up top or evenly distributed throughout the medium. So if anything... Your pot should be just whatever your potting soil is...and then you top dress with a two inch layer of your SS, and refresh that top dressing once a month.

Yeah, I hear what you're saying but I'm not growing outside in the ground, this is indoors in pots. Whether the SS is on the bottom or top-dressed, it's not gonna make a difference. We're talking about a 10 gal. pot.

 

[Mason Jar 92705]

Why not mix it all in evenly though? Or go the above said top dressing route?

Have you ever read this?
http://buildasoil.com/blogs/news/12533881-whats-so-cool-about-super-soil-the-super-soil-recipe-breakdown

And I've done that before, mixing the SS and Roots altogether and worked like a charm too I'll check out that link

 

[Rasta Roy]

Yeah, I hear what you're saying but I'm not growing outside in the ground, this is indoors in pots. Whether the SS is on the bottom or top-dressed, it's not gonna make a difference. We're talking about a 10 gal. pot.

I respectfully disagree sir, it makes a huge difference because it's in a 10 gallon pot instead of outside. Container gardening works best with an evenly mixed soil.

 

[Rasta Roy]

And I've done that before, mixing the SS and Roots altogether and worked like a charm too I'll check out that link

It's what I would personally recommend! Maybe do some side by sides and compare.

 

[ugmjfarmer]

Heck, Moonshine mix is tilled all the way through and baked for 30-60 and I personally think it kills Michigan M3, Sub's, and 3LB's soils. Compost and Humus is where it's at anyways. Fishnure kills it. Organic White Rice added to soil builds fungi while it bakes. Dragonfly Earth Medicine for veganic plant food. Osa/28, Kelp and fulvic foliar in veg daily. Weekly EM-1. Weekly Kelp meal fed to soil, or Big Bloom. Add a 6 species Endo's at every watering. Harvest your own mycos from nature using buried white rice in cheesecloth underneath some huge old growth tree in the forest. Choir preaching again.. DOH.

where's the crabshell? where's the oyster shell? gypsum? lime? rock dusts? volcanic ash? basalt? rock phosphate? greensand? azomite? you know, things you might find in soil? like clay, sand, silt. I like balance, like nature. there are so many things out there; blood meal is dirty full of antibiotics and growth hormones from cows. Most of this stuff is just peat/coco and subpar drainage like perlite. What about rice hulls? pumice? Neem Seed!!!

/steps off soapbox

 

[Grenier5413]

Hey could you elaborate a little on the harvesting your own myco . A description on how to or is that it.

 

[waterproof808]

Being that mycorhizzae only forms when plant roots are present to form a symbtiotic relationship, I dont see how that is possible using white rice. I think he is referring to what the korean natural farming group calls Indigenous Micro-Organisms (IMO's).

 

[Grenier5413]

Yeah I checked into it. You can harvest them but it's way more complicated than a bag of rice in tree roots.

 

[Michiganjesse]

I'm sorry friend, I have to respectfully disagree with you.

If someone is a newb to organic growing then subs mix is not the best way to get introduced. It is by far from the simplest form of organic growing, it's prone to maintenance issues, it ignores how cannabis root structure actually grows, and it's more expensive. If anything, his mix is more prone to turn someone away from organic growing then onto it.

You wouldn't teach someone to swim by telling them to hug rocks would you?

Masterbaiting works for getting off, but wouldn't you rather have sex?

Just because something seems like it works for you, does not mean you are tapping your full potential. And if you are happy to just know what you know, and do what you do, by all means carry on.

I come here to learn and spread what I've learned. If someone teaches me something, or corrects me on something I do wrong I'm going to take that and improve myself (I get you have to take people's opinions with a grain of salt but most people here are here to help each other not just measure how far they can piss). If that's not your thing that's totally cool, but I can't just let people spread misinformation either. And subcool shit is heavy on misinformation.

Very well put and yes peeps here are here to help is what i have found

 

[ugmjfarmer]

Yeah I checked into it. You can harvest them but it's way more complicated than a bag of rice in tree roots.

Yes, IMO's. The rice is a perfect source for the fungal variety of IMO's around old growth trees and they help if you have wood bark in your soil; AKA any Fox Farm's product, Vermifire, ect.

youtube it at /watch?v=yCBJ0rXwILY

 

[Muskegman]

Has anyone ever tried adding anything like voodoo , piranha or bud candy using super soil? I know it's a sensitive issue , mixing all the organic micros with synthetic stuff, and people say it kills stuff , but would it actually kill them all off by adding these types of stuff. Does anyone really know for sure and has anyone ever tried adding these type of supplements?