dozens of good guys with guns fail to stop single bad guy with gun

desert dude

desert dude

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757growin said:
I did say the pan am lockerbie bombing could be used as an excuse. It would just be a delayed reaction. Also said I thought it was all a horrible idea/decision.[/QUOTE
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Fogdog said:
"descent into tyranny" too funny that, how melodramatic.

Non gun owners are the vast majority in this country yet a majority of us support gun rights. We don't want to regulate gun ownership. Still, the sentiment is changing with every day that passes and no reduction in even the most basic and preventable death by firearms. If gun owners don't take the lead in reducing firearm related deaths and injuries who will? Eventually the non-gun owner community will and I can almost guarantee you that it will be a shitty response. I know it's too much to ask but I'll say it anyway. Why don't gun owners take the issue as their own to solve?

I'm not talking about reducing gang or criminal use of guns, just reducing in-home accidents, unjustified shootings like the Florida popcorn killer and gun theft. Most of those stolen guns are the ones used by gang and criminals.
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Nothing will bring the number of negligent shootings to zero. Nothing will stop crooks from being crooks. Nothing will stop criminals from using guns in the commission of their crimes. We live in the real world. Some people are going to be murdered, robbed, raped, and assaulted. The best that you as an individual can do is to be cautious and do your best to avoid being preyed upon. Failing that, defend yourself vigorously. The cops are almost never in a position to defend you because they are not there.

Vigorously prosecute those who maliciously injure others, whether with guns, knives, baseball bats, or fists. Prosecute those who burglarize homes and steal guns. Those are crimes that actually deserve incarceration.

You say there is "no reduction in death by firearms". Have you paid even a little attention to actual crime statistics? Your claim is ridiculous.

Now, would you care to answer the questions I posed.

How do you keep crazy people from exercising their civil rights? Are you in favor of secret government databases of citizens used to deny those citizens civil rights?

What common-sense gun control measure being proposed would have prevented any of the recent, well publicized shootings? Should gun control measures actually be effective at preventing violent crime, or are they just a political wedge whose only effect will be to deny citizens their civil rights?
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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bearkat42 said:
Or it could just say that open carry doesn't work when it's just a bunch of rednecks trying to look tough.
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No, you still need to define what it doesn't work against. One could reasonably argue that a bunch of rednecks trying to look tough by open carrying would work in intimidating some people, but clearly not snipers.
 
bearkat42

bearkat42

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Bugeye said:
No, you still need to define what it doesn't work against. One could reasonably argue that a bunch of rednecks trying to look tough by open carrying would work in intimidating some people, but clearly not snipers.
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Alright, please give me examples of when open carry has stopped anything of significance in this country. Other than letting people walk around feeling "manly", I'm at a loss for what it accomplishes.
 
bluntmassa1

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Also if not open carry how can we bring a gun to the shooting range? Concealed carry is illegal unless you have a permit in most every state besides Alaska.

And it's not easy to conceal a rifle but I should be able to walk to the shooting range with it.
 
UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
So, they installed their own, private email server to evade FOIA transparency laws. They exchanged more than 60,000 emails, and turned over half of those emails after they were caught violating federal law? They deleted about 30,000 federal records in violation of federal law? They sent classified information on unsecured, private servers and networks in violation of federal law? They collected millions of dollars from foreign governments while using their power in government to grant preferential treatment to those governments?
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are you still crying about this? it's over. no crime was committed, klanman.
 
testiclees

testiclees

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@desert dude

"Nothing will bring the number of negligent shootings to zero. Nothing will stop crooks from being crooks. Nothing will stop criminals from using guns in the commission of their crimes. We live in the real world. Some people are going to be murdered, robbed, raped, and assaulted. The best that you as an individual can do is to be cautious and do your best to avoid being preyed upon. Failing that, defend yourself vigorously. The cops are almost never in a position to defend you because they are not there."

Bro thinking like that, primitive and paranoid, will return us to the stoneage.
 
testiclees

testiclees

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desert dude said:
BK, you are sounding like a racist idiot. You're better than that.
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JA, you'll definitely need to start looking words up before you utter preposterous shit. it's laughable that you're letting poster know "he;s better than that" lol . From a numb lout? wtf.
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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bearkat42 said:
Alright, please give me examples of when open carry has stopped anything of significance in this country. Other than letting people walk around feeling "manly", I'm at a loss for what it accomplishes.
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What does "anything of significance" mean to you? A cowboy shooting at coyotes circling his herd may be insignificant to you, but significant to the cowboy. Someone up north open carrying a gun in case of polar bear attack in town may be insignificant to you, but significant to the guys wanting protection from bears. Open carry in the old west was simple common sense given the threats.
 
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ThickStemz

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bearkat42 said:
The difference is simply the he KNEW what he was doing. He was trained. While, on the other hand, Texas is just full of fucking ten gallon hat wearing morons who only carry because they think that it makes them look tough. And make no mistake, the shooter accomplished his goal, so he won.
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So you're saying he won by putting military training against 5 gallon hat training, launching a surprise attack. His numbers really weren't that good. Snipers did far worse than that in Fallujah. He wasn't even as good against softer targets as his enemy. He is a punk.
 
UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
BK, you are sounding like a racist idiot.
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fucking dumbass white supremacists.

desert dude said:
Obama actually was born in Kenya.
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desert dude said:
...using affirmative action to get into college. Undoubtedly true, but Obama attended private universities so they get to make their own rules. If they want to be racists, they get to be racists, unless it is to administer a whites only scholarship for Iowans, that's beyond the pale.
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desert dude said:
What we need is a gay muslim overlord. Then freedom would reign.
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yep, nothing racist abotu calling obama a gay kenyan muslim who "undoubtedly" got affirmative action when there is zero evidence of any of that, you retarded racist shitbag.
 
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