EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

[Padawanbater2]

"Over a billion people live on a dollar a day and you want $15 an hour to flip burgers?"

Meanwhile, 62 people make more than 2.5 billion combined

You're sitting here bitching that people want to earn what they're actually worth. Do you think 62 fuckin' people are worth more than 2.5 BILLION of the rest of us?

 

[Padawanbater2]

What about the Thai woman I know? She has been in the country for about 6 years started as a nanny moved on to a waitress got the LNA license worked in healthcare took more school now a Registered Nurse and makes over $50k a year...

It can be done you just need to work for it.

Is that why people have multiple jobs to make ends meet? Because they're just not working hard enough?

You are a fucking idiot man

 

[bearkat42]

You should make that clear in the original post

"I would create jobs in inner cities" to you is blaming the victims?

WTF?

He's simply saying that with more jobs with higher wages, minorities would not be subject to living in abject poverty or in ghetto's like they have been in the past. They wouldn't be subject to 'stop and frisk', they would be viewed by law enforcement as law abiding citizens. When they're broke and desperate, just like anyone of any color, they will resort to desperate measures. It has nothing to do with skin color.

Odd you don't hold Clinton to the same standard..

The one and only thing that will help minorities in regards to police involvement is ending the war on drugs, something Sanders wholeheartedly supports. Clinton simply wants to "end the era of mass incarceration" without ending the drug war. @bearkat42 , please explain to me how she plans on accomplishing that and why you would support her position over Sanders?

How socioeconomic issues come into play during an obviously racist police traffic stop are beyond me, but I would love for you to explain how any of that is relevant to this particular case. Or were you just grasping at straws?

What about any of these people?


Being poor has A LOT to do with racism in America. If you think it's just white guys being assholes all around, you're ignorant. I'm white, I'm not the least bit racist, so how does your formula account for people like me? Being white does not automatically make you racist.

1. The hypothetical question was meant as an example, and yes, I forgot to mention that. No really relevant though.
2. What does having a job have to do with being brutalized by the police?
3. I don't hold Clinton to ANY standard, as I am not a Clinton supporter. So your Clinton tirade falls on deaf ears.
4. My point exactly. Bernie seems to think that if every black person has a job, their problems will disappear.
5. Yes, being poor has something to do with racism, but please don't overstate its role. Poor people are just much easier to victimize, for obvious reasons. Ultimately though, racists don't see poor black people, racists just see black people.

 

[bluntmassa1]

Do you think Americans working full time should be earning slave wages just because somebody in Bangladesh does?

What the fuck kind of idiotic logic is that?

We should be trying to RAISE the wages of workers in Bangladesh, not LOWER the wages Americans make.

The fuck is wrong with you?

I didn't say anything about lowering wages. But you realize the only reason America is so easy to make money is the reason that we oppress other nations?

I paid over $100 for a pair of boots from the Dominican Republic do you think they gave the people a fair share of my money? I don't.

 

[bluntmassa1]

Is that why people have multiple jobs to make ends meet? Because they're just not working hard enough?

You are a fucking idiot man

I bet they all have cell phones, TV, Cable, internet and a computer. I don't see any of them going hungry on minimum wage. Yet in other nations they will eat 2 meals a day if lucky.

 

[bluntmassa1]

We also have these things like income based housing projects and if you work minimum wage it's dirt cheap.

 

[Padawanbater2]

1. The hypothetical question was meant as an example, and yes, I forgot to mention that. No really relevant though.
2. What does having a job have to do with being brutalized by the police?
3. I don't hold Clinton to ANY standard, as I am not a Clinton supporter. So your Clinton tirade falls on deaf ears.
4. My point exactly. Bernie seems to think that if every black person has a job, their problems will disappear.
5. Yes, being poor has something to do with racism, but please don't overstate its role. Poor people are just much easier to victimize, for obvious reasons. Ultimately though, racists don't see poor black people, racists just see black people.

2. Having a job provides an income, an income provides a potential route out of abject poverty, out of the ghetto where police largely roam and make their arrests
3. Bullshit, I don't believe that for a second. Address Sanders stance on the war on drugs vs. Clinton's. Whose position would fair better for you, as a black person? An end to it entirely or Clinton's "end to an era of mass incarceration" without ending the war on drugs?
4. No he doesn't. He thinks with better opportunity in the black community provided for by jobs and training programs, they will have a better chance of breaking the cycle of poverty that permeates throughout poor communities
5. When was the last time you heard a rich black person complain about racism against them? Jesse Williams? No, he was addressing racism within the black community, largely made up of poor blacks like Tamir Rice. Have you ever seen Oprah or Tiger Woods address racism against them? Tyra Banks, Shaq, Kobe?

Take Ice Cube, he experienced considerable amounts of racism during the beginning of his career, 'Fuck the Police' is a perfect example of him expressing it. Since he's become rich, how much racism do you think he's experienced?

Rich people have power, regardless of color. You are absolutely fuckin' delusional if you think otherwise. Money makes the world go 'round, not skin color. There are ignorant assholes everywhere of every color, and I would agree with you that minorities in America get it far worse than whites, but for you to say that socioeconomic status holds little to no bearing on it is wrong. White people do not hate black people because they're black. Ignorant racist fucks hate black people because of their perception of them that's perpetuated by just as ignorant stereotypes, and it's not all a total fabrication of the white man's mind.

As Bill Burr says "Every asswhooping doesn't just come out of nowhere"

While ignorant racist white people hold the majority of the blame, it's not all on their hands. If BLM dressed in suits and ties like MLK did and didn't resort to violence during protests, they would have a much greater advantage. I've been holding out hope myself that someone within that organization will just read a little goddamn history and figure out what actually works instead of the shit they've been pulling, but it never happens and I'm just sitting there second guessing myself as to why.

No doubt you'll consider me racist after this post just because I spoke up against your opinion, but as a guy who legitimately holds no ill will towards people of other colors/races, it'll be meaningless. Nothing I've said this post is racist

 

[Padawanbater2]

I bet they all have cell phones, TV, Cable, internet and a computer. I don't see any of them going hungry on minimum wage. Yet in other nations they will eat 2 meals a day if lucky.

We also have these things like income based housing projects and if you work minimum wage it's dirt cheap.

Like I said before, you are a fucking idiot, man

No point in even discussing this with someone like you. Go educate yourself and get back to us.

 

[bluntmassa1]

Like I said before, you are a fucking idiot, man

No point in even discussing this with someone like you. Go educate yourself and get back to us.

Maybe you should educate yourself on how the 3rd world lives. I actually care about poverty you care about the richest nation in the world and cry about poverty well it's a world problem buddy.

 

[bearkat42]

2. Having a job provides an income, an income provides a potential route out of abject poverty, out of the ghetto where police largely roam and make their arrests
3. Bullshit, I don't believe that for a second. Address Sanders stance on the war on drugs vs. Clinton's. Whose position would fair better for you, as a black person? An end to it entirely or Clinton's "end to an era of mass incarceration" without ending the war on drugs?
4. No he doesn't. He thinks with better opportunity in the black community provided for by jobs and training programs, they will have a better chance of breaking the cycle of poverty that permeates throughout poor communities
5. When was the last time you heard a rich black person complain about racism against them? Jesse Williams? No, he was addressing racism within the black community, largely made up of poor blacks like Tamir Rice. Have you ever seen Oprah or Tiger Woods address racism against them? Tyra Banks, Shaq, Kobe?

Take Ice Cube, he experienced considerable amounts of racism during the beginning of his career, 'Fuck the Police' is a perfect example of him expressing it. Since he's become rich, how much racism do you think he's experienced?

Rich people have power, regardless of color. You are absolutely fuckin' delusional if you think otherwise. Money makes the world go 'round, not skin color. There are ignorant assholes everywhere of every color, and I would agree with you that minorities in America get it far worse than whites, but for you to say that socioeconomic status holds little to no bearing on it is wrong. White people do not hate black people because they're black. Ignorant racist fucks hate black people because of their perception of them that's perpetuated by just as ignorant stereotypes, and it's not all a total fabrication of the white man's mind.

As Bill Burr says "Every asswhooping doesn't just come out of nowhere"

While ignorant racist white people hold the majority of the blame, it's not all on their hands. If BLM dressed in suits and ties like MLK did and didn't resort to violence during protests, they would have a much greater advantage. I've been holding out hope myself that someone within that organization will just read a little goddamn history and figure out what actually works instead of the shit they've been pulling, but it never happens and I'm just sitting there second guessing myself as to why.

No doubt you'll consider me racist after this post just because I spoke up against your opinion, but as a guy who legitimately holds no ill will towards people of other colors/races, it'll be meaningless. Nothing I've said this post is racist

1. Yes having a job provides income, and potentially a path out of abject poverty. This doesn't absolve you from racism, it just changes the way that you experience it.
3. Not even sure what you're saying here. I tell you that I don't support Clinton and your response is "bullshit"? OK
4. Here you go with the poverty thing again. You sound just like Bernie. He didn't listen, and you don't either.
5. you are confusing "rich" with "famous". Obviously famous people play under a different set of rules, but everybody rich isn't famous. So please save your listing of a bunch of fucking celebrities as your shining example of racial harmony.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Why can't you tell me what Sanders could have said to make you feel better?

You said he didn't answer the question right, I asked you what a right answer looked like and all you can tell me is "His answer was wrong!"?

You don't like Sanders. Anything he says is wrong according to you

So transparent

 

[Padawanbater2]

Maybe you should educate yourself on how the 3rd world lives. I actually care about poverty you care about the richest nation in the world and cry about poverty well it's a world problem buddy.

Go join UNICEF if you want to bitch about the 3rd world. I doubt you actually give a shit about the 3rd world, you just want to use that as the standard for judging American wages

 

[bearkat42]

Why can't you tell me what Sanders could have said to make you feel better?

You said he didn't answer the question right, I asked you what a right answer looked like and all you can tell me is "His answer was wrong!"?

You don't like Sanders. Anything he says is wrong according to you

So transparent

I'm still voting for Sanders, as I can not pull the lever for Clinton.

Oops!

 

[Flaming Pie]

Believe it. I've been saying this very thing his whole campaign. His answer to every single question was "job".

Isn't lack of jobs the reason why people get stuck nowadays?

 

[bearkat42]

Isn't lack of jobs the reason why people get stuck nowadays?

It's part of it. Bernie just seems to think that it's everything.

 

[bluntmassa1]

Go join UNICEF if you want to bitch about the 3rd world. I doubt you actually give a shit about the 3rd world, you just want to use that as the standard for judging American wages

They don't help the 3rd world they give them free rice so the farmers can't make a living free clothing so the people can't make a living sewing clothes.

Free shit don't help them it holds them down.

 

[ttystikk]

"Over a billion people live on a dollar a day and you want $15 an hour to flip burgers?"

Meanwhile, 62 people make more than 2.5 billion combined

You're sitting here bitching that people want to earn what they're actually worth. Do you think 62 fuckin' people are worth more than 2.5 BILLION of the rest of us?

Go fuck yourself

It's actually worse than that now; just 35 people hold the same wealth as the bottom half of the entire planet, or 3.5 BILLION people.

 

[ttystikk]

Maybe you should educate yourself on how the 3rd world lives. I actually care about poverty you care about the richest nation in the world and cry about poverty well it's a world problem buddy.

Right. So let's solve the AMERICAN poverty problem FIRST, then worry about the rest of the planet. Derp.

 

[abandonconflict]

We have got to do everything we can to elect Hillary Clinton.

 

[schuylaar]

In Bernie's case it look like it will never be turned.
What color do you think Mrs. Clinton is going to wear at her inauguration ?

white, like a virgin.