dozens of good guys with guns fail to stop single bad guy with gun

Rob Roy

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australia and new zealand rank higher on the scale of "free" societies, and they have strict gun laws and low rates of firearm related deaths.

can you reconcile that one, cop?

In a free society, government would not have rights or privileges which "the people" do not also possess.

It is self evident if government does, then there are two classes of people, those who instruct (armed government) and those who are forced to obey (disarmed subjects).

You're not very bright are you Comrade Poopy Pants?


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Rob Roy

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I dont agree with it.

Saving lives or not, civilian police forces shouldn't be blowing people up. As big of a piece of shit as the guy was, he still should of had a court date.
Excellent point.

There is an interesting article on that topic posted on the Lew Rockwell website today.
 

Dr.Pecker

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we have 45 times more crazy people than england? is that the idiotic drivel you are going with, peckerwood?
Yes that's what I'm going with considering England is much smaller than the usa. Get real buck it's not even as big as California. Use you fucking brain. The United Kingdom is 243,610 square kilometers or94,060 square miles.
That's about 57% the size of California (423,970 square kilometers). From the southern tip of England to the northern end of Scotland would stretch from Los Angeles to the Oregon border. Comparing the sizes of the United Kingdom and California.
 

Fogdog

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You're comparing a country to the usa when said country is half the size of California of course they have less gun violence.
Showing some real deep and to the bone ignorance here. UB quoted firearm related death rates for both countries. The rate is death count normalized to the size of the population. I mean, this kind of statistic has been used for about 500 years, maybe more. You haven't even caught up with people who thought the world was flat, drew blood as a curative and thought that mice spontaneously generated from straw. Too funny this.

The US death rate due to fire arms is 45 times greater than in England. The rate factors in population size.

The gun lobby is losing ground on this position and you will see changes that you don't like soon. There is a much larger group of people who don't own guns in the US and there is a shift in that group away from protecting the rights of the much smaller group's almost unrestrained access to guns. Eventually, you will see changes that you don't like unless firearm death rates in the US that approach the one in England or Canada.

Yet you and other gun owners complain, drag feet and say nuh-uh. It would be in your own interest for gun owners to take ownership of reducing firearm related death rate to be in line with Canada or England.
 
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Fogdog

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I dont agree with it.

Saving lives or not, civilian police forces shouldn't be blowing people up. As big of a piece of shit as the guy was, he still should of had a court date.
Second guessing the people in a situation like that. :roll:

One of the factors in their decision was the shooter's intent to go on killing if he got away. Also at the time, they couldn't know that he acted alone. The guy was still armed and able to fire on the police from his protected position. Was theirs the best decision? I don't know. I do know that none of you, including doublejj or the knuckle heads who liked Spandy's post have any real idea either.
 

Dr.Pecker

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Showing some real deep and to the bone ignorance here. UB quoted firearm related death rates for both countries. The rate is death count normalized to the size of the population. I mean, this kind of statistic has been used for about 500 years, maybe more. You haven't even caught up with people who thought the world was flat, drew blood as a curative and thought that mice spontaneously generated from straw. Too funny this.

The death rate due to fire arms is 45 times greater than in England. The rate factors in population size.

The gun lobby is losing ground on this position and you will see changes that you don't like soon. There is a much larger group of people who don't own guns in the US and there is a shift in that group away from protecting the rights of the much smaller group's almost unrestrained access to guns. Eventually, you will see changes that you don't like unless firearm death rates in the US that approach the one in England or Canada.

Yet you and other gun owners complain, drag feet and say nuh-uh. It would be in your own interest for gun owners to take ownership of reducing firearm related death rate to be in line with Canada or England.
Like I said before, most gun crimes happen in inner cities by criminals. If i take a figure from
Lewisboro Town, New York and from flint michigan will they have the same gun crime rate?
This is proof gun control does not work. Only after they hired more cops did the crimes go down.
MURDER AND HOMICIDE RATES BEFORE AND AFTER GUN BANS
1 DEC , 2013

UPDATE: An interview that John Lott had on this post on Cam & Company is available here (SiriusXM Channel 125).

Original post: Every place that has been banned guns (either all guns or all handguns) has seen murder rates go up. You cannot point to one place where murder rates have fallen, whether it’s Chicago or D.C. or even island nations such as England, Jamaica, or Ireland.

For an example of homicide rates before and after a ban, take the case of the handgun ban in England and Wales in January 1997 (source here see Table 1.01 and the column marked “Offences currently recorded as homicide per million population,” UPDATED numbers available here). After the ban, clearly homicide rates bounce around over time, but there is only one year (2010) where the homicide rate is lower than it was in 1996. The immediate effect was about a 50 percent increase in homicide rates. Firearm homicide rate had almost doubledbetween 1996 and 2002 (see here p. 11). The homicide and firearm homicide rates only began falling when there was a large increase in the number of police officers during 2003 and 2004. Despite the huge increase in the number of police, the murder rate still remained slightly higher than the immediate pre-ban rate.

 
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UncleBuck

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In a free society, government would not have rights or privileges which "the people" do not also possess.

It is self evident if government does, then there are two classes of people, those who instruct (armed government) and those who are forced to obey (disarmed subjects).

You're not very bright are you Comrade Poopy Pants?


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let me know when the australian government starts genociding its own people. until then, enjoy your endless delusions of persecution, pedo klanman.
 

UncleBuck

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Yes that's what I'm going with considering England is much smaller than the usa. Get real buck it's not even as big as California. Use you fucking brain. The United Kingdom is 243,610 square kilometers or94,060 square miles.
That's about 57% the size of California (423,970 square kilometers). From the southern tip of England to the northern end of Scotland would stretch from Los Angeles to the Oregon border. Comparing the sizes of the United Kingdom and California.
so there are 45 times more crazy people in england per capita then? is that the retarded drivel you want to go with, peckerwood?
 
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