The Tamir Rice Story: How to Make a Police Shooting Disappear

NLXSK1

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My point is that if the shootings are deemed justified, they don't pay shit. Or does everyone shot and killed by the police get $6 million?
Every unarmed 12 year old kid does.

You just said everyone settles.

I am talking about the video which has no prejudice and the unfortunate actions of the child that got killed.

The cops were not charged because it looked to them like a person was pulling a real gun on them, not because the kid was black. The cops did not intend to kill an innocent kid.
 

tangerinegreen555

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I didnt shoot anyone. Why do you feel such rage at me?
Because you support unjustified police brutality and wrongful death...and nothing will be changing with that kind of support and approval. You validate killing people...especially minorities...but really anybody cops deem necessary to shoot. Which is at an obviously higher rate among minorities.

Even military personel in a war zone are held to a higher standard...
So yeah...people tend to think you're vile. You cheer when the wrong side wins. Curious for one who wants gov't off their back...
 

NLXSK1

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Because you support unjustified police brutality and wrongful death...and nothing will be changing with that kind of support and approval. You validate killing people...especially minorities...but really anybody cops deem necessary to shoot. Which is at an obviously higher rate among minorities.

Even military personel in a war zone are held to a higher standard...
So yeah...people tend to think you're vile. You cheer when the wrong side wins. Curious for one who wants gov't off their back...
The case was brought before a grand jury and all those evil people decided not to indict the cop.

You make it sound like I did something other than have an opinion.

There were not sides here, this is not supposed to be a war. How are we ever going to have unity when the very people demanding it are the ones dividing us? LOL!!
 

NLXSK1

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The government system was followed and the cops got off and I am the tool? I wasnt on the grand jury, I did not get a vote.

I keep saying the root of the problem is the laws and the government that keeps issuing them. I did not shoot anyone, I am just a messanger.
 

tangerinegreen555

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The government system was followed and the cops got off and I am the tool? I wasnt on the grand jury, I did not get a vote.

I keep saying the root of the problem is the laws and the government that keeps issuing them. I did not shoot anyone, I am just a messanger.
*messenger

an overly joyous one...
that we didn't need, we all heard what happened.

It's passed time to reign the trigger happy clowns in with universal rules and accountability. The small local governments just don't seem to be impacting the situation for the better...ALL these cases, by the law of averages alone, can't be the fault of the dead. Cops are getting away with murder. Cops are getting away with civil right violations. Most people don't like it...shoot first and ask questions later is 1870's wild west shit.

They don't show you that on Fox? Try another venue.
 

NLXSK1

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*messenger

an overly joyous one...
that we didn't need, we all heard what happened.

It's passed time to reign the trigger happy clowns in with universal rules and accountability. The small local governments just don't seem to be impacting the situation for the better...ALL these cases, by the law of averages alone, can't be the fault of the dead. Cops are getting away with murder. Cops are getting away with civil right violations. Most people don't like it...shoot first and ask questions later is 1870's wild west shit.

They don't show you that on Fox? Try another venue.
The Tamir rice case was put in front of a jury and they decided not to indict. This wasnt some small town cop coverup this was justice carried out. You want vengance. You want every cop that shoots someone to do jail time regardless of the cause and regardless of how insane that is.

Even justified shootings like Michael Brown are labelled cop brutality and the lies grow bigger and bigger. If you are not even willing to acknowledge that there are justified shootings it is not surprising you find the cops are bad people.
 

bearkat42

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The Tamir rice case was put in front of a jury and they decided not to indict.
Clark had studied all of the available evidence in this case—video, witness statements, forensic reconstructions—and he had prepared a report detailing his findings. He did not believe the officers acted reasonably, and he did not believe the shooting was justified.
 

Rob Roy

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Private prisons will still need to be filled in a truly free market as well but who will pay? So thieves lose a finger bad criminals get hung? What do we do with the criminals the child molesters and all?
You shouldn't pass the cost of a prisoners maintenance onto other uninvolved persons if you can help it. If you do, isn't the person(s) that's forced to pay for another also a kind of prisoner? That's how the present model works.

Frivilous prosecutions happen now, because of the enforcement of victimless crimes and that cost is spread among the tax sheep, so cops, judges and lawyers love to "represent the state" at your expense. They do this because it makes much of their unneeded so called services seem necessary. It isn't.

If the cops, prosecutors and judges etc. didn't hold a forcible monopoly on things as well as a mercenary self interest, people found to have harmed others wouldn't necessarily need to be incarcerated in every instance either. After you've restituted anybody you may have victimized, what would the reason be to continue to hold a person prisoner ?

As far as violent criminals, well if people had a right to defend themselves everywhere, stats say violent crime is reduced. No kind of setup that I can think of will eliminate all psychopathic behavior though and it's always possible a dangerous monopolistic government could arise if we aren't vigilant.
 

Rob Roy

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Child molestation is not a victimless crime so what should we do with them if not prison? Murderers as well we can't really just hang everyone accused right off as many turn out to be innocent.
I'm not proposing there be no systems for dispute arbitration of crimes involving bodily harm, theft etc. . I'm saying people shouldn't be confined to using only one system that holds a monopoly on the use of force and expect it to respond the same way a dispute arbitrator would if their choices were subject to the scrutiny a free market customer base would provide.

Certainly molesting kids and murdering people need to come with consequences to the perpetrator. However molesting anyone is a crime, that's why I oppose an imposed and forcible system such as the existing one.
 

testiclees

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The government system was followed and the cops got off and I am the tool? I wasnt on the grand jury, I did not get a vote.

I keep saying the root of the problem is the laws and the government that keeps issuing them. I did not shoot anyone, I am just a messanger.
It's true dude you're on the wrong side of the argument just about always
 

Rob Roy

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And your definition of private security fits organized crime perfectly... You are just switching collars.
Not really. You don't consider the impact competition and customer feedback have in a free market versus what occurs today.

If you made an honest assessment, forcible government isn't like organized crime, it is organized crime, since they both use a forcible means and disallow competition, therefore your feedback doesn't matter.

Still haven't read the Market for Liberty eh ?
 

squarepush3r

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The cop who pulled the trigger:

Timothy Loehmann had been out of work for five years. His luck changed in March 2012 when he landed a job as a police officer in Independence, Ohio. On his application, he cited having a “stable job” as one of his main motivators for joining the police force. By December 5, 2012, Loehmann was no longer a police officer. The Independence Police Department has stated that Loehmann’s employment lasted a total of five months. Four out of those five months were spent in the police academy. Loehmann had spent only a month as an official police officer before his alarming misconduct became too much of a liability for the Independence police force.

In five short months, Loehmann was deemed “emotionally unstable” and unfit for service as a police officer. In his personnel records, his direct supervisors described him as having a “lack of maturity” as well as an “inability to perform basic functions as instructed.” These supervisors were referring to the disturbing behavior Loehmann exhibited during a weapons training session. Loehmann’s worrisome conduct and mental instability when handling weapons would become a reoccurring theme in his personnel files.

In another training session held at a gun range, Loehmann suffered what was described as an “emotional meltdown.” In a memo sent to Human Resources, Deputy Chief Jim Polak of the Independence Police Department referred to this incident as a “dangerous loss of composure.” Polak noted that Loehmann’s “handgun performance was dismal” and that he was “distracted and weepy” during the training session. After Loehmann’s weapons were taken away by the training officer, he continued his “emotional meltdown” with detailed descriptions of his apparent issues with a girlfriend.

Deputy Chief Polak’s memo included several additional incidents of worrisome misconduct. He concluded the memo with the following:

“Individually, these events would not be considered major situations but, when taken together, they show a pattern of a lack of maturity, indiscretion, and not following instructions.”

“I do not believe time nor training will be able to change or correct these deficiencies.”

In March 2014, after spending two years being denied by every police force he applied to, Timothy Loehmann received an offer from the Cleveland Police Department. They did not check his personnel files.

A few months later, on November 22, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Loehmann shot and killed a 12 year-old child named Tamir Rice.
yeah, its fucked up what this officer did, he should be held for murder. This isn't a race war however. It isn't black again white, or white against black. Honestly the demographic is America is much more mixed now that to just break it down into that. There is a lot of police misconduct,


Here is a white guy beaten and killed by police, Kelly Thomas. More white people are killed by police each year than any other race. However, on twitter and instagram, black people are talking about how white people are trying to make them extinct and there is a war against white people. Its the wrong conclusion to make.
 

GroDank101

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I can't be the only one sick of seeing our police slandered and slain by advocates of black lives matter.
 
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