secret of healthy soil: carbon hoarding

MistaRasta

MistaRasta

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shynee mac said:
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Didnt watch the video, but yes. Carbon is very over looked in the organic world. What most people see as a P, K, Ca, or Mg deficiency(in the plant) is happening because there is a C deficiency in the soil.

Humates come from carbon, these and exudates are what feed fungi so they can keep cycling phosphorus so pottasium can move nutrients through the plant. People think P for some reason needs to be put back in their soil but this is far from the truth. Phosphorus is the only anion that stays put, its simply a matter of getting a good fungal population to break down and make the P available. This all starts with carbon.

You can also use sprouted grains high in Phosphatase. Since i started implementing sprouted rye my girls are CHUNKY. I also see bud set in 9 days using it.. Its got the highest amount of phosphatase in any grain you can find and its cheap.
 
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greasemonkeymann

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MistaRasta said:
Maybe not in a plant. But in the soil, yes..its very prevalent.
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but how?
damn near everything in a soil mix is carbon based, and the plant relies on CO2 for it's carbon
compost, peat, coco, etc.
that's all carbon.
also in a container plant why would the phosphorus not need to be replenished?
Perhaps confusing it with the fact that phosphorus is relatively binded in place, but that's binded to clay and organic material in order for the roots to absorb and be used.
in organic phosphorus (mineral phosphates) are broken down/absorbed to the surfaces of clay and organic material (where CEC is a major role)
but phosphorus absolutely will be used in a soil mix, not sure where you heard that it wasn't needed to be replenished.
But I also never heard about carbon-deficiency either.
 
coughphee.connoiseur

coughphee.connoiseur

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MistaRasta said:
Didnt watch the video, but yes. Carbon is very over looked in the organic world. What most people see as a P, K, Ca, or Mg deficiency(in the plant) is happening because there is a C deficiency in the soil.

Humates come from carbon, these and exudates are what feed fungi so they can keep cycling phosphorus so pottasium can move nutrients through the plant. People think P for some reason needs to be put back in their soil but this is far from the truth. Phosphorus is the only anion that stays put, its simply a matter of getting a good fungal population to break down and make the P available. This all starts with carbon.

You can also use sprouted grains high in Phosphatase. Since i started implementing sprouted rye my girls are CHUNKY. I also see bud set in 9 days using it.. Its got the highest amount of phosphatase in any grain you can find and its cheap.
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How do you implement? sprouted tea? or you top dress or add to compost, or in soil mix ? Please share and thank you for this knowledge.
 
coughphee.connoiseur

coughphee.connoiseur

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MistaRasta said:
Didnt watch the video, but yes. Carbon is very over looked in the organic world. What most people see as a P, K, Ca, or Mg deficiency(in the plant) is happening because there is a C deficiency in the soil.

Humates come from carbon, these and exudates are what feed fungi so they can keep cycling phosphorus so pottasium can move nutrients through the plant. People think P for some reason needs to be put back in their soil but this is far from the truth. Phosphorus is the only anion that stays put, its simply a matter of getting a good fungal population to break down and make the P available. This all starts with carbon.

You can also use sprouted grains high in Phosphatase. Since i started implementing sprouted rye my girls are CHUNKY. I also see bud set in 9 days using it.. Its got the highest amount of phosphatase in any grain you can find and its cheap.
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In regards to the sprouted rye
 
MistaRasta

MistaRasta

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greasemonkeymann said:
but how?
damn near everything in a soil mix is carbon based, and the plant relies on CO2 for it's carbon
compost, peat, coco, etc.
that's all carbon.
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1.) the carbon you first mix doesnt last..when N gasses off it takes C02 with it. Most of the materials in your pot dont have nearly enough carbon either..Especially if your plant outgrows the pot..

2.) I grow no till, which means i dont touch my rootball. The only way to ensure i get enough carbon is to top dress with high C:N items..

3.)Yes, the plant produces carbonic acids, does it do it as effectively as me putting woody mulch down on the top of my soil? No.

greasemonkeymann said:
also in a container plant why would the phosphorus not need to be replenished?
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Didnt mean it didnt need to be replenished ever..more so that it cant just be washed out because of its binding abilities. It'll definitely be used up by the plant. How long this actually takes? Who knows..



greasemonkeymann said:
But I also never heard about carbon-deficiency either.
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C is an element in soil, just like K and N it plays an important role and can easily be pulled out of balance just like any others causing problems.
 
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coughphee.connoiseur

coughphee.connoiseur

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MistaRasta said:
I buy sprouted rye. Grind it up and top dress 1/8-1/4 cup per 15 gallon pot. Water in once a week with aloe/silica/fulvic acid to see the magic really happen
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Thank you, sounds like a great recipe. I have some aloe 200x powder its kinda old tho bout year so will have to get some more, silica i have agisil 16h hope that will do and some bio ag.
 
Rayne

Rayne

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Feel free to use limestone(aka: Calcium Carbonate) instead of dolomite lime for calcium. If one is competent enough it is possible to get "Carbonized limestone."
 
MistaRasta

MistaRasta

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coughphee.connoiseur said:
Thank you, sounds like a great recipe. I have some aloe 200x powder its kinda old tho bout year so will have to get some more, silica i have agisil 16h hope that will do and some bio ag.
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Agsil 16h is potassium silicate. Use this in conjunction with your fulvic from bio ag. Get some more aloe and you'll be set. The brew store down the street sells malted rye for 1.49 a lb.
 
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greasemonkeymann said:
and i'm not tryin to be argumentative, just confused a bit
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I wouldn't be concerned, not with your mix with compost and worm stuff. Pretty much a non issue.

Same with me. My "humus" component of my mix is ~60% pine bark fines and ~40% homegrown vermicompost. I worry not about lack of carbon.

It IS confusing to think about it, till you realise your compost pile and worm bin are taking care of business.

Wet
 
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