NPK RATIO

Bubblegum31

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I found this

Scaling plant nitrogen use and uptake efficiencies in response to nutrient addition in peatlands.
Iversen CM1, Bridgham SD, Kellogg LE.
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Abstract
Nitrogen (N) is the primary growth-limiting nutrient in many terrestrial ecosystems, and therefore plant production per unit N taken up (i.e., N use efficiency, NUE) is a fundamentally important component of ecosystem function. Nitrogen use efficiency comprises two components: N productivity (A(N), plant production per peak biomass N content) and the mean residence time of N in plant biomass (MRT(N)). We utilized a five-year fertilization experiment to examine the manner in which increases in N and phosphorus (P) availability affected plant NUE at multiple biological scales (i.e., from leaf to community level). We fertilized a natural gradient of nutrient-limited peatland ecosystems in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, USA, with 6 g N x m(-2) x yr(-1), 2 g P x m(-2) x yr(-1), or a combination of N and P. Our objectives were to determine how changes in carbon and N allocation within a plant to leaf and woody tissue and changes in species composition within a community, both above- and belowground, would affect (1) NUE; (2) the adaptive trade-off between the components of NUE; (3) the efficiency with which plants acquired N from the soil (N uptake efficiency); and (4) plant community production per unit soil N availability (N response efficiency, NRE). As expected, N and P addition generally increased aboveground production and N uptake. In particular, P availability strongly affected the way in which plants took up and used N. Nitrogen use efficiency response to nutrient addition was not straightforward. Nitrogen use efficiency differed between leaf and woody tissue, among species, and across the ombrotrophic-minerotrophic gradient because plants and communities were adapted to maximize either A(N) or MRT(N), but not both concurrently. Increased N availability strongly decreased plant and community N uptake efficiency,

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while increased P availability increased N uptake efficiency, particularly in a nitrogen-fixing shrub.

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Nitrogen uptake efficiency was more important in controlling overall plant community response to soil N availability than was NUE, and above- and belowground community N uptake efficiencies responded to nutrient addition in a similar manner. Our results demonstrate that plants respond to nutrient availability at multiple biological scales, and we suggest that N uptake efficiency may be a more representative measurement of plant responses to nutrient availability gradients than plant NUE.
 

Bubblegum31

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I know that this is soil, but the basis is the same.

I know for sure what you mean guys about all that P in the boosters and flower food is NOT any good for the plants. HOWEVER, we have to come to conclusion that it is needed but not maybe as much as it is advertised, correct ?!!
 

Resinhound

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Of course P is needed.. Its a major macronutrient. But the ratio of N to P does not have to be extreme... A 20/10/x is plenty of P, that's even still on the high side 3:1 N to P is a proven ratio. K has an even higher utilization in flower than N... Of course this is for soil/soilless mediums. Hydro has its own rules to an extent.

As a matter of fact calcium is in greater demand even than P.
 

Bubblegum31

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Of course P is needed.. Its a major macronutrient. But the ratio of N to P does not have to be extreme... A 20/10/x is plenty of P, that's even still on the high side 3:1 N to P is a proven ratio. K has an even higher utilization in flower than N

As a matter of fact calcium is in greater demand even than P.
Resin, am planing on raising the P and K 2/1 ration SLIGHTLY in the nutrients for the first week of flower.

Second week normal feeding

3 till 6 raise SLIGHTLY the pk 2/1 ration or 2/2

7/8/9 raise the P and K to (1)p to (2)k ratio..

Calcium boost weeks 3,5,7,8 of flower..

Ideas?!
 

Resinhound

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Resin, am planing on raising the P and K 2/1 ration SLIGHTLY in the nutrients for the first week of flower.

Second week normal feeding

3 till 6 raise SLIGHTLY the pk 2/1 ration or 2/2

7/8/9 raise the P and K to (1)p to (2)k ratio..

Calcium boost weeks 3,5,7,8 of flower..

Ideas?!
The nutrient manufacturer canna has for years maintained that a small boost in P during the first week in flower is beneficial for creating additional bud sites. They don't advocate the use of their "booster" pk13/14 outside of that window. Personally I've never seen a benefit of an extra P boost at the onset of flower, but heh that's just my experience.
 

Bubblegum31

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The nutrient manufacturer canna has for years maintained that a small boost in P during the first week in flower is beneficial for creating additional bud sites. They don't advocate the use of their "booster" pk13/14 outside of that window. Personally I've never seen a benefit of an extra P boost at the onset of flower, but heh that's just my experience.
True, so is MOAB and most of other boosters..
I just have a liter of bud blood which I gor for very cheap, but when I used too much of it I locked iron lool..
Live and learn.. Trial and fault!
 

Resinhound

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True, so is MOAB and most of other boosters..
I just have a liter of bud blood which I gor for very cheap, but when I used too much of it I locked iron lool..
Live and learn.. Trial and fault!
Moab and other 0/50/20 type boosters are complete and total unneeded Bullshit.
 

Bubblegum31

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The nutrient manufacturer canna has for years maintained that a small boost in P during the first week in flower is beneficial for creating additional bud sites. They don't advocate the use of their "booster" pk13/14 outside of that window. Personally I've never seen a benefit of an extra P boost at the onset of flower, but heh that's just my experience.

What for nutrients do you use resin..

Can you inlight us with some of your recipes and how you grow :P
 

Bubblegum31

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I grow in soilless mediums and use foliage pro all through the grow. The only supplements I add is pure fulvic acid and potassium sulfate from the 3rd week in flower and on.

Why you dont change to the same manfacture flower fooding?
High in P?
 

kiwipaulie

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Well nitrogen has a pretty flat uptake all through the scale, however in hydro you have to be careful about the type of nitrogen used. Ammonia based nitrogen isn't a good idea, this is why calcium nitrate is used mainly as a nitrogen source in hydro... It doesn't require the nitrogen fixing that Ammonia sources do.

However that being said, magnesium tends to have a hard time with absorption under 6 pH. And can also cause yellowing of fans.
This makes sense. I had a n deficiency and then mag, think I have it solved now and the yellowing I'm seeing now I just because I only have like 1.5 - 2 weeks to go :)
 
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