Pseudoscience... yay!

MichiganMedGrower

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MonkeyGrinder said:
That's actually really cool of you. I don't frequent my local hydro shop that much. Every time I go in there he's basically trying to shill me on some new gadget he has 30 of in stock. Real pushy guy. Likes to use scare tactics like some sort of infestation is all over town. He has the answer right here. The last time I dropped in there he seemed sort of irritated because I only picked up a new set of t5 bulbs and 2 timers. Tries to sell me a 1000 watt hood for a 600 watt light. Then tries to sell me on a whole 1000 watt system.
I come to find out the lights and hood were pre owned by one of his buddies.
Guy jumped ship on growing and growshop guy offered to sell it and keep a portion of the sale.
I avoid that place like the plague unless it's an extreme emergency and I'm having some sort of hardware problem.

Although I've had great experiences with another shop. Literally a father/son shop and they're awesome as can be. Watched em load up equipment for a guy in a wheelchair. Offered to flat out deliver it. The drive sucks though.
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I live way out in the woods where there are no traffic lights. We have a store in town that has OF

They have pool supplies videos and a few things we use. Nice lady to help us out. She said her husband does better if he just uses the ocean forest instead of mix his special stuff up. And then the concauctions get bubbled up and make a mess.

And then no flowers she said. Lol. So she has pallets of OF and happy frog lately.

It's 18 bucks with a medical card but if I drive where it's 16 it's 20.
 
Indacouch

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Yep I did my guerrilla stuff as a kid with tomato ferts and that's how I learned gardening growing tomatoes with my
Pops in the garden I'd even started trying techniques on my tomatoe plants ..all the sudden dad comes out and I have tomato plants in bondage situations experimenting for my cannabis grow lol good memories ..........I wouldn't trust my hydro guy as far as I could throw him .......Il literally ask him questions I know the answer to just to amuse myself with the bullshit that comes out of his mouth as far as grow advice......but as far as prices and being a nice guy he is ....but growing NOPE.........
 
Dumme

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MonkeyGrinder said:
That's actually really cool of you. I don't frequent my local hydro shop that much. Every time I go in there he's basically trying to shill me on some new gadget he has 30 of in stock. Real pushy guy. Likes to use scare tactics like some sort of infestation is all over town. He has the answer right here. The last time I dropped in there he seemed sort of irritated because I only picked up a new set of t5 bulbs and 2 timers. Tries to sell me a 1000 watt hood for a 600 watt light. Then tries to sell me on a whole 1000 watt system.
I come to find out the lights and hood were pre owned by one of his buddies.
Guy jumped ship on growing and growshop guy offered to sell it and keep a portion of the sale.
I avoid that place like the plague unless it's an extreme emergency and I'm having some sort of hardware problem.

Although I've had great experiences with another shop. Literally a father/son shop and they're awesome as can be. Watched em load up equipment for a guy in a wheelchair. Offered to flat out deliver it. The drive sucks though.
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As far as I know I'm the only store in Maine that actively deals with used trades.

Although you would get more for it outside the store, I sell used equipment, 1/2 the value of what I would sell after it's pricematched. So a $200 dollar light would first be pricematched @ say ~$110.00, and because it's used, I'd sell it for $55US. When I buy off a customer, I'd buy it for $27.50US

I always say, you'll do better to sell it on Craigslist, but I'm here as an option.
 
Dr. Who

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Dumme said:
pseu·do·sci·ence
ˌso͞odōˈsīəns/
noun
  1. a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.

Although it seems to have magical effects, there's nothing magical about growing it.
Becareful whom you listen to, when learning about growing, and put on your shit kickers, as the bullshit is thick.

The best way I've found about gereral growing is: if it's not true for tomatoes, it not true for cannabis.
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Tomato's? Incorrect!

They work better if treated like a simple tropical. The feed is more tropical then tomato also.

My 2 cents
 
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Dumme

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Dr. Who said:
Tomato's? Incorrect!

They work better if treated like a simple tropical. The feed is more tropical then tomato also.

My 2 cents
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I was referencing how non-magical growing the plant is, not specifics methods. For instance, "flushing" (i.e. starving), is not require in the production of sweet ripe tomatoes, or pumpkins, or tobacco, or etc...

Same with "defoliation" etc.

The statement was not referencing ideal grow zones or climates of plants or preferred nutrition, rather relevance was directed towards basic cellular growth and functions of all plants.

Tomatos was listed only in the capacity that it has some similar features, but can fundamentally be substituted with any plantlife in the description and as intended.
 
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MichiganMedGrower

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Dumme said:
I was referencing how non-magical growing the plant is, not specifics methods. For instance, "flushing" (i.e. starving), is not require in the production of sweet ripe tomatoes, or pumpkins, or tobacco, or etc...

Same with "defoliation" etc.

The statement was not referencing ideal grow zones or climates of plants or preferred nutrition, rather relevance was directed towards basic cellular growth and functions of all plants.
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But see to expertly grow our crop isn't this a consideration? Shouldn't we learn and include more and better technique and environment?

I always end up in the middle. It's like AMA medicine and naturopathic medicine. If they would combine and utilize all their research together more people would get well.

i see a link pop up a lot that proves myco would not help in my container garden but my roots have exploded since I mixed in Happy Frog. Which of course has added mycos. Now what do I believe?

To me. I thought that they would compete for food in my little containers and the phosphorus would kill them. And instead I ended up needing less food. Huh.
 
Dumme

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MichiganMedGrower said:
But see to expertly grow our crop isn't this a consideration? Shouldn't we learn and include more and better technique and environment?

I always end up in the middle. It's like AMA medicine and naturopathic medicine. If they would combine and utilize all their research together more people would get well.

i see a link pop up a lot that proves myco would not help in my container garden but my roots have exploded since I mixed in Happy Frog. Which of course has added mycos. Now what do I believe?

To me. I thought that they would compete for food in my little containers and the phosphorus would kill them. And instead I ended up needing less food. Huh.
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The placebo effect has its place in real science. It doesn't mean a fake pill is the cure.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

All methods of growing are great to learn, and try, if you wish. In fact, may increase their yield, taste, looks, but doesn't necessarily mean it's based on science.
People tend to only see what they want. While some say "defoliation" will bring larger yields, others say it's just an illusion. The real reasons things are "fact" is science.
 
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MichiganMedGrower

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Dumme said:
What? No, I didn't say that.

I don't know what link you're referring to, nor do I know any specifics of you grow
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I think it's Linda Chalker Scott? Hydro formulating scientist.

I wasn't arguing your point. I was just pointing out that some of the things that are sold to us as extras work.

I grow in ocean forest and feed bottled nutes when the soil depletes in flower. Simple container gardening. The happy frog already had the mycos.

Worked very well. This pic shows a lot of extra growth in the same transplant period I try to stick to.

Surprisingly more. But I have only given her well water to this point.

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Dumme

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MichiganMedGrower said:
I think it's Linda Chalker Scott? Hydro formulating scientist.

I wasn't arguing your point. I was just pointing out that some of the things that are sold to us as extras work.

I grow in ocean forest and feed bottled nutes when the soil depletes in flower. Simple container gardening. The happy frog already had the mycos.

Worked very well. This pic shows a lot of extra growth in the same transplant period I try to stick to.

Surprisingly more. But I have only given her well water to this point.

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Do you have a control?
 
MichiganMedGrower

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Dumme said:
Just being the devils advocate..
How would you know if using the products worked very well?
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Well the picture shows a layer of wrapping roots I never have before transplanting up. But I wasn't trying paying for or expecting this to happen.

And so I thought it was an example of people swearing by products from non scientific recommendations. But it seemed to work for me without buying into to any "hype".
 
Dumme

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Well the picture shows a layer of wrapping roots I never have before transplanting up. But I wasn't trying paying for or expecting this to happen.

And so I thought it was an example of people swearing by products from non scientific recommendations. But it seemed to work for me without buying into to any "hype".
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It seems like a logical thesis, based on personal experience within your garden.

How did she respond?
 
Dr. Who

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MichiganMedGrower said:
But see to expertly grow our crop isn't this a consideration? Shouldn't we learn and include more and better technique and environment?

I always end up in the middle. It's like AMA medicine and naturopathic medicine. If they would combine and utilize all their research together more people would get well.

i see a link pop up a lot that proves myco would not help in my container garden but my roots have exploded since I mixed in Happy Frog. Which of course has added mycos. Now what do I believe?

To me. I thought that they would compete for food in my little containers and the phosphorus would kill them. And instead I ended up needing less food. Huh.
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THERE'S the rub!

Don't "treat it like a tomato" !!
 
MichiganMedGrower

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Dumme said:
It seems like a logical thesis, based on personal experience within your garden.

How did she respond?
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She took the transplant with no stress and is now in the flower room transitioning. She took the more intense light well and started growing quickly.

But no control as you mention. So I will keep observing. That way I can utilize some Bro Science. And come post my "Brozults"
 
Dumme

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MichiganMedGrower said:
She took the transplant with no stress and is now in the flower room transitioning. She took the more intense light well and started growing quickly.

But no control as you mention. So I will keep observing. That way I can utilize some Bro Science. And come post my "Brozults"
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I mentioned, what did LindaChalker Scott say about it?
 
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