Seattle Minimum Wage not working out...

NLXSK1

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"We have all seen or heard about leftist protesters demanding a $15 hourly minimum wage and the Democrat-controlled cities and states where they have succeeded in having their demands implemented.

Seattle is one of those cities. It currently mandates an $11 hourly wage, a temporary step on the way toward a $15 minimum within the next couple of years. But before those minimum wage protesters start cheering too loudly, they may want to see what some economists had to say about their “victory.”

According to Truth Revolt, a study found that despite a supposed increase in real wages, there was virtually no effect on average earnings for workers in the city.

This largely seems due to workers receiving fewer hours, having trouble finding a second job, or being fired or replaced by technology, all as business owners cope with higher labor costs while trying to maintain their profit margin.

The Washington Post reported on the study: “Using their preferred method, they calculated that workers’ earnings increased by $5.54 a week on average because of the minimum wage. Using other methods, the researchers found that the minimum wage hike actually caused total weekly earnings to drop — by as much as $5.22 a week.”

All told, workers are taking home enough to buy themselves a value meal at McDonald’s once a week — as long as they don’t supersize anything. And that’s the best case scenario, according to the study. Worst case, they have to give that meal up.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle — there has been no meaningful change to workers’ wages in Seattle.

Sadly, it is the lower-income workers and entry-level employees, particularly young minorities, who suffer the most from the wage hikes that are purported to be for their benefit.

Bear in mind that they are the ones protesting in demand of a wage hike that will grant them fewer working hours and make it more difficult to find a second job to make ends meet, leaving them the same or worse off than they were before.

As an aside, the real winner in all of this are the unions, as the union minimum wage is generally a certain percentage higher than the regular minimum wage. So an increase in that means an increase in union wages across the board. That means more dues paid to the union coffers to be spent for Democrat causes — like demanding an increase in the minimum wage, starting the cycle all over again."


Gee, the people who said that it wouldnt work were right... What a fucking surprise.

I would like to thank all the liberals and Democrats that have made life much harder for low income people in Seattle and other areas by promising them shit for free.
 

bluntmassa1

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Of course it won't work they have a robo cop and robo buses (Japan for now) it's just going to get worse and worse. Nobody is against slavery when the slave is a robot. And I will bet my left nut they can get a robot to cook in the pretty much automated McDonald's kitchen probably more automated now than when I worked there over 10 years ago.
 

420God

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Of course it won't work they have a robo cop and robo buses (Japan for now) it's just going to get worse and worse. Nobody is against slavery when the slave is a robot. And I will bet my left nut they can get a robot to cook in the pretty much automated McDonald's kitchen probably more automated now than when I worked there over 10 years ago.
They've been putting them in for the last year. Since the wage hike.

http://www.businessinsider.com/self-service-kiosks-are-replacing-workers-2016-5
 

NLXSK1

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The money has to come from somewhere and heaven forbid the owner lower his/her salary. That 2nd boat won't pay for itself.
The money does have to come from somewhere or nowhere, that is the point.

What we were saying all along is that minimum wage workers were not suddenly going to become well off if a minimum wage was instituted. Many of us said the businesses would automate, eliminate jobs, etc. But you would hear nothing of that.

Now, supposedly we both want the same thing but you guys keep fucking it up with good intentions.

We need more jobs in America, not less. Which means less taxation, less regulation and less legislation. It means handing a bone out to the producers in this country and to stop demonizing good business owners.

Liberalism is like a cancer on society. It attacks the police which are the protectors and it attacks the producers which are the providers and it benefits the parasites. It destroys rather than creates.
 

Kalonji

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The money does have to come from somewhere or nowhere, that is the point.

What we were saying all along is that minimum wage workers were not suddenly going to become well off if a minimum wage was instituted. Many of us said the businesses would automate, eliminate jobs, etc. But you would hear nothing of that.

Now, supposedly we both want the same thing but you guys keep fucking it up with good intentions.

We need more jobs in America, not less. Which means less taxation, less regulation and less legislation. It means handing a bone out to the producers in this country and to stop demonizing good business owners.

Liberalism is like a cancer on society. It attacks the police which are the protectors and it attacks the producers which are the providers and it benefits the parasites. It destroys rather than creates.
Nothing screams desperate, fearful, uneducated sissy boy louder than your feeble grunts and bitch ass moaning.
 

Fogdog

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"We have all seen or heard about leftist protesters demanding a $15 hourly minimum wage and the Democrat-controlled cities and states where they have succeeded in having their demands implemented.

Seattle is one of those cities. It currently mandates an $11 hourly wage, a temporary step on the way toward a $15 minimum within the next couple of years. But before those minimum wage protesters start cheering too loudly, they may want to see what some economists had to say about their “victory.”

According to Truth Revolt, a study found that despite a supposed increase in real wages, there was virtually no effect on average earnings for workers in the city.

This largely seems due to workers receiving fewer hours, having trouble finding a second job, or being fired or replaced by technology, all as business owners cope with higher labor costs while trying to maintain their profit margin.

The Washington Post reported on the study: “Using their preferred method, they calculated that workers’ earnings increased by $5.54 a week on average because of the minimum wage. Using other methods, the researchers found that the minimum wage hike actually caused total weekly earnings to drop — by as much as $5.22 a week.”

All told, workers are taking home enough to buy themselves a value meal at McDonald’s once a week — as long as they don’t supersize anything. And that’s the best case scenario, according to the study. Worst case, they have to give that meal up.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle — there has been no meaningful change to workers’ wages in Seattle.

Sadly, it is the lower-income workers and entry-level employees, particularly young minorities, who suffer the most from the wage hikes that are purported to be for their benefit.

Bear in mind that they are the ones protesting in demand of a wage hike that will grant them fewer working hours and make it more difficult to find a second job to make ends meet, leaving them the same or worse off than they were before.

As an aside, the real winner in all of this are the unions, as the union minimum wage is generally a certain percentage higher than the regular minimum wage. So an increase in that means an increase in union wages across the board. That means more dues paid to the union coffers to be spent for Democrat causes — like demanding an increase in the minimum wage, starting the cycle all over again."


Gee, the people who said that it wouldnt work were right... What a fucking surprise.

I would like to thank all the liberals and Democrats that have made life much harder for low income people in Seattle and other areas by promising them shit for free.
You said: "Sadly, it is the lower-income workers and entry-level employees, particularly young minorities, who suffer the most from the wage hikes that are purported to be for their benefit."

You can justify anything you want by going to the right website. Plasma beings, Illuminati, Snake people, flat earth, raising minimum wages hurt people, you name it. The only credible source you posted was the Washington Post. Their headline says "Why raising the minimum wage in Seattle did little to help workers " -- not harm, which is the gist of your post. A little help is better than the disaster you bloviate about in your post.

Minimum wage raises are not the only place where the wage hike in Seattle helped workers. Raising the minimum wage has a ripple effect to increase wages in the lower 20% income brackets.

When living in poverty, a little help is better than nothing, which is the more than the Republican platform promises.
 
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travisw

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You can justify anything you want by going to the right website. Plasma beings, Illuminati, Snake people, flat earth, raising minimum wages hurt people, you name it. The only credible source you posted was the Washington Post. Their headline says "Why raising the minimum wage in Seattle did little to help workers " -- not harm, which is the gist of your post. A little help is better than the disaster you bloviate about in your post.

Minimum wage raises are not the only place where the wage hike in Seattle helped workers. Raising the minimum wage has a ripple effect to increase wages in the lower 20% income brackets.

When living in poverty, a little help is better than nothing, which is the more than the Republican platform promises.
It should come as no surprise that NLXSK1 and the folks at whatever the fuck Truth Revolt is, have presented a very biased reading of a preliminary study by the University of Washington.

To suss out the economic effects of the rising minimum wage—as opposed to other factors like regional trends and the weather—the that never instituted a minimum wage hike. The UW researchers used data from Washington zip codes that showed similar trends to Seattle from 2005 to 2013 to guesstimate a hypothetical, “synthetic Seattle”s then used this counterfactual as a benchmark against which to measure the economy of today’s actual Seattle,
which has had a wage increase.

What the people who continually bleat about the destruction the minimum wage was supposedly going to cause have left out is, In fact, no such devastation has occurred. This has been clear for a while—Seattle’s minimum wage increase began April last year—and the new report from the UW research team further confirms it. The City’s low-wage workers did relatively well after the minimum wage increased.

I could go on about how this was only the preliminary report from a study that will be ongoing for the next 4-5 years or the fact that is lead author Jacob Vigdor, has been arguing for years that the minimum wage should be replaced by expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit, but you get the idea.

TLDR version for NLSK1

 

NLXSK1

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It should come as no surprise that NLXSK1 and the folks at whatever the fuck Truth Revolt is, have presented a very biased reading of a preliminary study by the University of Washington.

To suss out the economic effects of the rising minimum wage—as opposed to other factors like regional trends and the weather—the that never instituted a minimum wage hike. The UW researchers used data from Washington zip codes that showed similar trends to Seattle from 2005 to 2013 to guesstimate a hypothetical, “synthetic Seattle”s then used this counterfactual as a benchmark against which to measure the economy of today’s actual Seattle,
which has had a wage increase.

What the people who continually bleat about the destruction the minimum wage was supposedly going to cause have left out is, In fact, no such devastation has occurred. This has been clear for a while—Seattle’s minimum wage increase began April last year—and the new report from the UW research team further confirms it. The City’s low-wage workers did relatively well after the minimum wage increased.

I could go on about how this was only the preliminary report from a study that will be ongoing for the next 4-5 years or the fact that is lead author Jacob Vigdor, has been arguing for years that the minimum wage should be replaced by expansion of the Earned Income Tax Credit, but you get the idea.

TLDR version for NLSK1

So what you are saying is because it hasnt worked yet we need to give it much more time to work?

Raising the minimum wage has never created the utopia promised and it has been done dozens of times.

Thanks again for making things shittier for people under the guise of good intent.
 

b4ds33d

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i've found that going to college and getting an education in something that interests you and has a demand for said education is the best way to get ahead. community colleges have pretty good deals for those that are unemployed and more deals if you are a minority(sorry white people-you have no idea what it's like to be poor)
 

blaze 57

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I have a longshoremen friend working in the Port of Tacoma. He has been there over 20 yrs and operates a crane. He makes well over 100k yr. He told me about a month ago he is afraid of losing his job to automation. Evidently now they can automate the loading and unloading of cargo ships. Its already being done in some ports. Automation is everywhere includling flipping burgers but now its reaching far into the bigger wage earners in the middle class.
 

b4ds33d

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I have a longshoremen friend working in the Port of Tacoma. He has been there over 20 yrs and operates a crane. He makes well over 100k yr. He told me about a month ago he is afraid of losing his job to automation. Evidently now they can automate the loading and unloading of cargo ships. Its already being done in some ports. Automation is everywhere includling flipping burgers but now its reaching far into the bigger wage earners in the middle class.
automation is an inevitability, you have to be an entrepreneur and start your own business these days if you want freedom from a lot of the bullshit.
 

NLXSK1

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You said: "Sadly, it is the lower-income workers and entry-level employees, particularly young minorities, who suffer the most from the wage hikes that are purported to be for their benefit."

You can justify anything you want by going to the right website. Plasma beings, Illuminati, Snake people, flat earth, raising minimum wages hurt people, you name it. The only credible source you posted was the Washington Post. Their headline says "Why raising the minimum wage in Seattle did little to help workers " -- not harm, which is the gist of your post. A little help is better than the disaster you bloviate about in your post.

Minimum wage raises are not the only place where the wage hike in Seattle helped workers. Raising the minimum wage has a ripple effect to increase wages in the lower 20% income brackets.

When living in poverty, a little help is better than nothing, which is the more than the Republican platform promises.
They are not getting a little help, they are getting hurt. That is the issue here.
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
automation is an inevitability, you have to be an entrepreneur and start your own business these days if you want freedom from a lot of the bullshit.
That has been forever. The great thing is that you actually can start your own business although the government keeps making it harder.

Most people want to work 9-5 and somehow make bank president someday without understanding the work involved in between.
 

b4ds33d

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That has been forever. The great thing is that you actually can start your own business although the government keeps making it harder.

Most people want to work 9-5 and somehow make bank president someday without understanding the work involved in between.
i agree. that is the bernie baby crowd. no understanding of the fact that most people aren't born rich, and those that are usually don't stay that way. success is not a birth-right, and not everyone defines success the same way.
 
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