What it means to have a stable strain

[VTMi'kmaq]

i think stabilize is a loose term, nirvana is well known for strains that produce quite a variety of phenotypes
they call 'em stable, so breed a strain and call it stable, others seem to

Lmao franco is def a dope fiend

 

[bluntmassa1]

Im not sure where you get your info from but for many years it has been a well known fact that any company that is 'SHIT' will last under five seconds due to them getting flamed by every forum and grower. Normally it is the grower that is the problem and the goods growers keep these companies alive because they dont have any of these problems. If you said Sensi or Dutch Passion give out crap seeds id have to say this is completely bull...

If you chuck pollen with good weed you get good offspring a bit like TGA he started with one male chucked the pollen on like 20 CA clone onlys yet people loved it and one thing he said was " dank x dank= danker" I would say = dank but danker sure if you work from a bigger selection. He did no real work so I would not pay him a dime as I chuck pollen too. They also do not breed true whatsoever which is why Subfool has all them phenos he gives names to like Golden Goat that I can think from the top of my head.

I don't believe I said you won't have any good coming from a pollen chucker though. But saying bad reviews will kill a company, why is Nirvana still around? I've heard more shit about them than anyone else well Greenhouse and Dutch Passion are pretty well hated as well but Greenhouse sells the most seeds unless it has changed recently.

 

[VTMi'kmaq]

A true stable strain would be true breeding or at least worked pretty true. But in reality it's just thrown around too much and very few work their seeds past F1 most just sell pollyhybrids and even S1's of F1's or poly's.

The seed game is shit I like to buy from breeders because of it cause some people actually work their lines. Most so called breeders just chuck pollen and so do I so I don't see a point waisting my money on the flavor of the week.

Ill play.....
Who works their lines in the most thorough methods?

 

[RM3]

If you chuck pollen with good weed you get good offspring a bit like TGA he started with one male chucked the pollen on like 20 CA clone onlys yet people loved it and one thing he said was " dank x dank= danker" I would say = dank but danker sure if you work from a bigger selection. He did no real work so I would not pay him a dime as I chuck pollen too. They also do not breed true whatsoever which is why Subfool has all them phenos he gives names to like Golden Goat that I can think from the top of my head.

I don't believe I said you won't have any good coming from a pollen chucker though. But saying bad reviews will kill a company, why is Nirvana still around? I've heard more shit about them than anyone else well Greenhouse and Dutch Passion are pretty well hated as well but Greenhouse sells the most seeds unless it has changed recently.

Lookin forward to what ya think of mine

 

[bluntmassa1]

Ill play.....
Who works their lines in the most thorough methods?

Mr. Nice does F1 DJ Short does F5 Sannies really works his shit like F9 and shit but that Tom Hill dude really worked that Deep Chunk I seen him with a good sized seed run and them bitches were pretty uniform.

But the biggest problem in the business is about the same in the weed business. You don't get more money for putting in more work nobody will pay you double for sativa because it took you twice as long to grow. Same as nobody will pay you extra for a good true breeding plant like we get in our tomatoes. Nobody will pay you double for Blueberry than a good Skunk even though the seeds cost more than double.

Legalization will bring out the real breeders as even Mr. Nice can't grow tens of thousands of seeds to select and breed something like our tomatoes or potatoes but we can clone like apples.

Not sure about a best breeder that doesn't exist IMO that's a bit like the best strain it will get old after awhile and I try to not smoke the same weed twice a day. Lol

 

[bluntmassa1]

Lookin forward to what ya think of mine

Just started them can't wait to see what I get I have some serious variety running right now. Got you, MNS and Bog 6 strains and going to have more coming right behind. Just going to take a few cuts of each plant before flower.

 

[VTMi'kmaq]

One thimg about us eastern mtn boyz.......take shit seriously. I cant wait to see what he does. Maybe next spring go outdoors with some cuts of this gear? Theyd love the white mtns i bet.....i know i do.

 

[roseypeach]

lots of good info here! Thought I'd throw in my own two cents (for what its worth )

speaking in terms of F1, F2, etc through F6 being the most stable, germinating seeds that are designated as generations F1, F2, F3 will produce variable results, the more stable genetics won't have as much deviation as the earlier ones. You may get two or three deviations (sometimes more) from a hybrid that's specified as anything less than an F3. If you want truly stable genetics, don't waste your money on anything less than F3, if you can help it.

To give you an example, I just harvested two plants from the same F2 seeds I was given by a friend. It was crossed with GDP (Granddaddy Purp) and GC (Green Crack). One plant was done a little bit sooner and was a somewhat speedy high like the GC and the taller took an extra few weeks and was spiked with purple and blackish leaves (traits from GDP) and gives a nice full body high.

The smoke from both plants was pretty amazing, so I'm not telling you never grow an F2 or less, just know you will most likely have significant variation.

For more info and specifics, you can check out this old thread, @fdd2blk explains it well... https://www.rollitup.org/t/diffrence-between-f1-and-f2-f3.36545/

 

[Kingrow1]

If you chuck pollen with good weed you get good offspring a bit like TGA he started with one male chucked the pollen on like 20 CA clone onlys yet people loved it and one thing he said was " dank x dank= danker" I would say = dank but danker sure if you work from a bigger selection. He did no real work so I would not pay him a dime as I chuck pollen too. They also do not breed true whatsoever which is why Subfool has all them phenos he gives names to like Golden Goat that I can think from the top of my head.

I don't believe I said you won't have any good coming from a pollen chucker though. But saying bad reviews will kill a company, why is Nirvana still around? I've heard more shit about them than anyone else well Greenhouse and Dutch Passion are pretty well hated as well but Greenhouse sells the most seeds unless it has changed recently.

Dutch passion arent hated where i am and there are a lot of dp grows i see, Nirvana has dropped of the map somewhat in the past few years. Obviously a little research goes a long way as like you i wont part with money until i like the seed and product.

My strains choices are quite limited though, i dont shop about that much..

 

[hellmutt bones]

i know a lot of information about this is availible on here. but after a forum search, i couldnt find anything specific.

when you say that a strain is "stable" what does that really mean? that its offspring, clones, and what not, produce similar--and desired--results every generation?

what does it mean to have an "unstable" strain?

Stable strain is a strain that you could literally grow it in a stable next to a horse.
An un stable strain means it dosent like horses.

 

[DonBrennon]

Dutch passion arent hated where i am and there are a lot of dp grows i see, Nirvana has dropped of the map somewhat in the past few years. Obviously a little research goes a long way as like you i wont part with money until i like the seed and product.

My strains choices are quite limited though, i dont shop about that much..

I love DP's blueberry, I've seen many people slating it and DP in general. Thing is, shit growers tend to have the loudest mouths and blame anything but themselves. The seed company are usually the first one in the firing line.

 

[VTMi'kmaq]

Now see this guy is cookin with grease....sorta speak....well said man.......

 

[Uberknot]

Pretty much with anything bred animals, plants, fish, etc....If they come out very similar without throwing off mutations and different genetics it would be considered stable. You might see something different now and then, but for the most part a stable line would have the same genetics and traits.

 

[Dividedsky]

A true stable strain would be true breeding or at least worked pretty true. But in reality it's just thrown around too much and very few work their seeds past F1 most just sell pollyhybrids and even S1's of F1's or poly's.

The seed game is shit I like to buy from breeders because of it cause some people actually work their lines. Most so called breeders just chuck pollen and so do I so I don't see a point waisting my money on the flavor of the week.

I agree with this. If you find 7 different phenos in a ten pk proves that the strain is not stable.

 

[roseypeach]

I agree with this. If you find 7 different phenos in a ten pk proves that the strain is not stable.

Exactly

We had 6 visibly different plants out of ten, three of them were males

 

[Dividedsky]

Exactly

We had 6 visibly different plants out of ten, three of them were males

I'm growing dynasty seeds and it seems to be pretty stable especially their caremel candy kush. A stable strain in a nutshell is a strain that does not have to many variations in pheno types when growing say a ten pack of regs or fems. Personally for me a good example of this would be serious seeds ak-47. I don't know how it is these days but when I grew a few years a ago it was a very stable strain. Tga I would say is unstable, you grow out 10pk and you might get a bunch of different phenos. Thats not necessarily a bad thing though because you could keep a clone of a fire keeper. My buddy just grew out qrazy train and he he had a few great phenos but all the females he got were different phenos. If a strain is unstable chances are it wasn't tested throughly and I find you have a better chance of get hermies with unstable strains which is a whole different covo.

 

[roseypeach]

I'm growing dynasty seeds and it seems to be pretty stable especially their caremel candy kush. A stable strain in a nutshell is a strain that does not have to many variations in pheno types when growing say a ten pack of regs or fems. Personally for me a good example of this would be serious seeds ak-47. I don't know how it is these days but when I grew a few years a ago it was a very stable strain. Tga I would say is unstable, you grow out 10pk and you might get a bunch of different phenos. Thats not necessarily a bad thing though because you could keep a clone of a fire keeper. My buddy just grew out qrazy train and he he had a few great phenos but all the females he got were different phenos. If a strain is unstable chances are it wasn't tested throughly and I find you have a better chance of get hermies with unstable strains which is a whole different covo.

I've got some BW Prime Crystal going right now that I'm really anxious to see play out. I've grown his stuff before and was very pleased! The thing about TGA is that it's overpriced for what you get. I will grow some out in the future though because a good buddy sent me a few Ace of Spades for my birthday that I'll be trying out after this Prime Crystal and Fallout (chemdawgxchernobylxsugar) is done.

 

[Kingrow1]

I dont think there are many true stable strains, thats a shitload of years breeding genetically. IBL seems like better stock than what most breeders sell, rip landraces...

 

[Dividedsky]

I've got some BW Prime Crystal going right now that I'm really anxious to see play out. I've grown his stuff before and was very pleased! The thing about TGA is that it's overpriced for what you get. I will grow some out in the future though because a good buddy sent me a few Ace of Spades for my birthday that I'll be trying out after this Prime Crystal and Fallout (chemdawgxchernobylxsugar) is done.

Try dynasty seeds man, you won't be disappointed. I dont know where you're at but the dank team.com accepts cc and you'll have your seeds in a matter of a few days not weeks. this is blunivese in 6 wk of flower. She's fire, I just took this pic a minute ago. Watering as we speak.

 

[Dividedsky]

Now see this guy is cookin with grease....sorta speak....well said man.......

haha on season 6 of mad men on netflix. Love it