New vert grow, could use some input please
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gr865
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Ok you experienced people, during stretch I know to keep the HPS where the base of the lamp is just below the tops of the plants. But when they have finished stretch, say at day 20 to 25 where should I place the lamp. I know you lower it but how far below the tops of the plant. I am only running one lamp so need to make the best of it.
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GR
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GR
verticalgrow
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gr865
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I am running a 400W but I was thinking about 30 inches from the base of the plant. I have a cheapo light meter that my hydro store guy gave me will check it with that. I know there is a dead zone above and below the light.600w HPS 2ft from the top & 2ft from the bottom
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gr865
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Day 11 of 12/12
A little Saturday morning update, just cut a couple of fans that I had tucked thru the screen last week, and tucked a few more back behind the screen. Also moved and tied some branches to give more light exposure.
BC3
I am now a very big fan of low dosage feeding with the Blumats, been running 500 to 600 ppm, trying to keep it around the 550 mark. No burned tips, good steady growth, no overly deep green leaves but do have some purple stems, not too worried about that. Making sure I test the rez before I make up a batch to I try and balance the feed to keep it around 550 ppm. pH has not been a problem to date with this grow, I am trying to keep my pH around 6.0 as that seems to be the right number.
The adjustments I made to the heights of the plants with the wire stands is working fine, I am keeping the bulb where the bottom is level with the tops of the plants. I may have to drop it some to reduce stretch or do some bending, CK2 is about 40" so damn near the top of that screen. Ever other plant has been adjusted with the stands to equal that same height as CK2.
Left to right:
BC1 34" + 6" stand
CK2 40" no stand
CK1 30" + 6" stand
BC2 30" + 10" stand
BC3 32" + 8" stand
They are drinking about 2 gallons a day, that's a constant drip from the Blumats with the lights on. Slows down to almost a stop just before the lights come back on, so I think the Blumats are working great.
GR
A little Saturday morning update, just cut a couple of fans that I had tucked thru the screen last week, and tucked a few more back behind the screen. Also moved and tied some branches to give more light exposure.
BC3
I am now a very big fan of low dosage feeding with the Blumats, been running 500 to 600 ppm, trying to keep it around the 550 mark. No burned tips, good steady growth, no overly deep green leaves but do have some purple stems, not too worried about that. Making sure I test the rez before I make up a batch to I try and balance the feed to keep it around 550 ppm. pH has not been a problem to date with this grow, I am trying to keep my pH around 6.0 as that seems to be the right number.
The adjustments I made to the heights of the plants with the wire stands is working fine, I am keeping the bulb where the bottom is level with the tops of the plants. I may have to drop it some to reduce stretch or do some bending, CK2 is about 40" so damn near the top of that screen. Ever other plant has been adjusted with the stands to equal that same height as CK2.
Left to right:
BC1 34" + 6" stand
CK2 40" no stand
CK1 30" + 6" stand
BC2 30" + 10" stand
BC3 32" + 8" stand
They are drinking about 2 gallons a day, that's a constant drip from the Blumats with the lights on. Slows down to almost a stop just before the lights come back on, so I think the Blumats are working great.
GR
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DesertGrow89
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Nice haircut, keep kicking that ass.
gr865
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It's time for another question. My Critical Kush #2 is about two inches from the top of the screen, so that makes it 44" to 46 " tall. I am only at day 13 of flower. They are all still stretching. I want to keep the light just above the other 4 plants to get them to continue to stretch. My question is should I drop the light to just above the other 4 plants? I am thinking if I do this it will slow the stretch of CK2 while allowing the other four plant to continue to stretch.
What are everyone thoughts on this. I had thought that either do this or do some LST or supercropping, though I have remember reading you should not supercrop a vert grow.
GR
Looking at the pic, which was taken on Saturday, the base is about 12" to the screen and the screen is 40" tall. As I said this was Sat, and now the plant is to the top of the screen. If you look at the post from 8/20 the group picture it is the one second from the left.
What are everyone thoughts on this. I had thought that either do this or do some LST or supercropping, though I have remember reading you should not supercrop a vert grow.
GR
Looking at the pic, which was taken on Saturday, the base is about 12" to the screen and the screen is 40" tall. As I said this was Sat, and now the plant is to the top of the screen. If you look at the post from 8/20 the group picture it is the one second from the left.
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gr865
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Thanks, looked at your grow but not a lot of info there, how did it turn out?
GR
rkymtnman
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gr, not a vert grower for sure but if those are 4 ft tall, you need to stack 2 hps/lec/mh vertically. put 2 in a cool tube if you have to.
blast those bitches and you'll have fat buds from top to bottom, no popcorn at all.
you still heading this way? i'm gonna be in denver 17/18 sept for sure.
gr865
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Wish I could do a stack, but not this grow.
I should get there the 17th, not sure what time I will send you my # and you can contact me with your number and we can try and set something up. We will be in Lakewood, somewhere just southwest of Denver, do not know the area. If we can't get together in Denver we will be in CO till close to the end of the month, we can touch base somewhere.
Look forward to getting together, it should be a hoot!
GR
gr865
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Ok, hit a little bump in the road, as I stated in my last post the CK2 was really stretching.
So I thought about lowering the light to the tops of the other 4 plants, this pic was taken on 8/20 and has since grown another 5+ inches.
I made the decision to bend the top, so I pulled the main stem to the left and about 14 or so inches from the top and fastened it to the wire,
I then pull the top to the right and fastened it, then the top to the left again and fastened.
It looked great but then I noticed that at the first bend it did it's own super cropping,
I guess I will get and answer to a question I had early on in the grow, why don't you super crop your main branches? So now I will find out how it reacts to a cropping, at least it did not snap, it was really to stiff to make that bend, but I am a stubborn ol' coot and had to try it.
After I did this I adjust the nute solution, the ppm was a little higher than I want, it was 665 and the pH was 6.1. So I took a two gallons of that same solution that I had made up on Friday night and added one gallon of RO. It made a 3 gallon solution that was 350 ppm and 5.68 pH and when I added one gallon of that to my rez I ended up with 586 ppm and 5.89 pH. I can live with that.
Back to the super cropping, has anyone tried it by at each new shoot off the main stem, letting them get some length then super crop about an inch from the stem then tie it at a 90 degree angle to the main stem. I love super cropping and did a lot of it when I was running Hempy buckets along with LST. I guess we shall see, and I guess there is no choice than to wait and see how it progresses.
Tomorrow is day 14 of 12/12.
GR
So I thought about lowering the light to the tops of the other 4 plants, this pic was taken on 8/20 and has since grown another 5+ inches.
I made the decision to bend the top, so I pulled the main stem to the left and about 14 or so inches from the top and fastened it to the wire,
I then pull the top to the right and fastened it, then the top to the left again and fastened.
It looked great but then I noticed that at the first bend it did it's own super cropping,
I guess I will get and answer to a question I had early on in the grow, why don't you super crop your main branches? So now I will find out how it reacts to a cropping, at least it did not snap, it was really to stiff to make that bend, but I am a stubborn ol' coot and had to try it.
After I did this I adjust the nute solution, the ppm was a little higher than I want, it was 665 and the pH was 6.1. So I took a two gallons of that same solution that I had made up on Friday night and added one gallon of RO. It made a 3 gallon solution that was 350 ppm and 5.68 pH and when I added one gallon of that to my rez I ended up with 586 ppm and 5.89 pH. I can live with that.
Back to the super cropping, has anyone tried it by at each new shoot off the main stem, letting them get some length then super crop about an inch from the stem then tie it at a 90 degree angle to the main stem. I love super cropping and did a lot of it when I was running Hempy buckets along with LST. I guess we shall see, and I guess there is no choice than to wait and see how it progresses.
Tomorrow is day 14 of 12/12.
GR
gr865
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what part of CO are in located. Hell I would like to see your op also.
GR
ttystikk
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El Norte
DesertGrow89
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No complaints, my favorite phenotype that has a berry candy aroma was just about done when we got four days of high temps in the low 90s and it basically stopped functioning and fell over so she got chopped. There was one phenotype that just refused to mature, the pistils didn't develop color after at least four or five weeks into flower. She was culled and I wonder what would have happened if I just let her run and test the smoke but oh well! Picked up some rabbit shit from a local gardener today and plan on running an amended, water mostly if not water only mix. That should help with the aroma and flavor of the final product. In hindsight the one thing that I would have changed is flushing the medium out occasionally to prevent a build up of salts, they were getting 1/4 strength feedings of dyna-gro 9-3-6 from start to finish with very little runoff, It's kind of funny because there are so many people who give others shit for flushing their soil/medium on the forum but I hear about professionals in the industry doing a pre-harvest flush..
Don't worry about that bend just make sure the stem above it is securely fastened, don't be moving it around so that tissue heals.
Evil-Mobo
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My bottle of Flora Kleen recommends the same for soil or soilless media a pre harvest flush. I am starting to toy with a flush before flipping to flower myself to see how it goes.
ETA: I am doing this for the removal of excess salts because we have hard water here and I run my tap without issue. This is not a flush in the sense of end of the grow for removing nutrients etc. I am more concerned with the excess salt buildup which starts to show up in the fabric pots on the outsides.
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DesertGrow89
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Huh, wasn't aware that they made a product specifically for removing salts. You should do a side by side with the same strain and see if it makes any difference between that and water.
Evil-Mobo
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Not a bad idea. I'm in coco now but still gonna use it. My auto will be getting in the next day or so. This round of veg still has a bit of time but I can flush one plant with water prior to flip and the rest with the Flora Kleen and we can see what happens.
gr865
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Day 15 of 12/12
Cleanup time, removed some of the fans that I had previously tucked and tucked more behind the screen.
Tight quarters, but they love it.
Close up of unintentional super cropping.
Group pic day 15 of 12/12
This looks like too much N but none of the others are showing any signs of N toxicity. Rez ppm is 565, pH 5.96, rez temp one day averages, lights off 68 to 71 degrees, lights on 75 to 79, I use frozen gallon water jugs, one in the primary rez and one in the reserve rez. Not only am I seeing the claw but there is some minor tip burn. This started about three days ago.
This lady is the remaining backup for the vert grow, Critical Kush. She had been in a solo cup since she was not one of the 5 selected to go into the tent. Sort of neglected her and did not plant her into this container until about 23 days ago and man did she take off. I have had to keep her pinned down due to the fact I have a Hwy Patrol for a back door neighbor. We have a 40' right of way between our privacy fences. I really can't let her go all the way, just way to paranoid, I live in Texas it's not cannabis friendly at all. Wish I had someone to give it too! She is starting to bud out and I am running out to room to tie her down so sometime in the next week or so she will be headed to the compost bin.
Later,
GR
Cleanup time, removed some of the fans that I had previously tucked and tucked more behind the screen.
Tight quarters, but they love it.
Close up of unintentional super cropping.
Group pic day 15 of 12/12
This looks like too much N but none of the others are showing any signs of N toxicity. Rez ppm is 565, pH 5.96, rez temp one day averages, lights off 68 to 71 degrees, lights on 75 to 79, I use frozen gallon water jugs, one in the primary rez and one in the reserve rez. Not only am I seeing the claw but there is some minor tip burn. This started about three days ago.
This lady is the remaining backup for the vert grow, Critical Kush. She had been in a solo cup since she was not one of the 5 selected to go into the tent. Sort of neglected her and did not plant her into this container until about 23 days ago and man did she take off. I have had to keep her pinned down due to the fact I have a Hwy Patrol for a back door neighbor. We have a 40' right of way between our privacy fences. I really can't let her go all the way, just way to paranoid, I live in Texas it's not cannabis friendly at all. Wish I had someone to give it too! She is starting to bud out and I am running out to room to tie her down so sometime in the next week or so she will be headed to the compost bin.
Later,
GR