Maine recreational ammendment questions
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hossthehermit
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As far as I can see, nobody has a clue ...................
BBbubblegum
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Was wondering the same thing, already looking into buying a few acres of woods
hossthehermit
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Looks like if it passes, then the state will make up the rules for how it goes into place ................ basically the "Golden Rule" ........ whoever has the gold makes the rules ..........................
Jesse The Cook
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At this years MMCM convention in Augusta they held classes on this issue. Basically what they came up with is that the current program will remain unchanged for those not seeking to transition into commertial growing facilities. For those looking to transition licences will be given to despenceries first then to caregivers based on rank. Rank equals something like; how long you have had your caregivers licence, how many patients you are serving and if you are able to actually meet the financial needs of upscaleing.
Keighan
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Thats so frustrating how can they expect the voters to make informed decisions with so much up in the air, ive heard rumors the medical marijuana program would pretty much cease and thats my largest concern, is that in no way what will be happening? Does anyone have a link to the actual proposed rules and regs? Or the actual bill by chance.
hossthehermit
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http://bangordailynews.com/2016/08/29/news/bangor/with-marijuana-legalization-vote-looming-bangor-leaders-weigh-restrictions/
This is the can of worms that will be opened ............
This is the can of worms that will be opened ............
Keighan
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Appreciate that man was very informative the link in the article brought me to the actual statute being imposed, i see a few downsides, but it doesnt seem to be as terrible as everyone says, I understand that theyre allowing municipalities to determine so to say their own "laws" but it does strictly state it does not impeed on the medical marijuana statute and in no way removes the rights allocated to patients or caregivers, along with priority being given to established caregivers, which allows a potential monopoly but they did allow guidelines it seems so not one or even a handful of organizations can reep all the reward, i took a few screenshots of some key pounts i found, mind you I skimmed but please point me in the right direction to anything im missing that could potentially be harmful.
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Jesse The Cook
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Here is the actual law. Sift through a well written law. I read a lot of legal crap and this law is well written and easy to understand. It was written by marijuana activists instead of polititions.
http://legalizemaine.net/marijuana-legalization-act/
It looks like its going to be great. Caregivers are going to have a battle against monopolized despenseries. But thats better than battleing the courts and trying to stay out of jail. Times they are a changing like Bob Dylan says. This time for the better. I think as long as the marijuana is getting into the hands of people who need it we can all fight for who gets what after. There is already an ammendment for 2018 ballot written.
http://legalizemaine.net/marijuana-legalization-act/
It looks like its going to be great. Caregivers are going to have a battle against monopolized despenseries. But thats better than battleing the courts and trying to stay out of jail. Times they are a changing like Bob Dylan says. This time for the better. I think as long as the marijuana is getting into the hands of people who need it we can all fight for who gets what after. There is already an ammendment for 2018 ballot written.
Keighan
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Thats similar to how I felt about it about have some local caregivers who sware the devil wrote it.
Jesse The Cook
Member
80 + % of the production comes from care givers who will have to divide only 40% of the licences. Thats not fair at all, but can be changed after legalization.
Jesse The Cook
Member
Legalization is also going to bring prices down. What do you think about $50 onces? Im not sure what a fair price is. There is no other crop selling for $1000 + /lb. Ill be happy with $50 onces and growing hundreds of plants in a crop instead of 36 plants max. For me growing a field of mariguana is like a dream come true.
CriticalCheeze
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Its a bad bill. period. bad bad bad
Keighan
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But why?
CriticalCheeze
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The way it is writin up and the way they want to propose it. Think of how small our state and the amount of facilities and people associated with cannabis compared to other states, Having a 'ranking' system for who can step up to state apointed commercial scale will not work. We only have already a limited amount of people that ACTUALLY could step it up to commercial,
"Maine will specifically have licensed marijuana lounges with onsite consumption. You cannot be a licensee if, within the past ten years, you’ve been convicted of a drug crime that qualifies for a five year imprisonment or longer. Cultivation statewide is limited to a total of 800,000 square feet. 40 percent of all grow licenses must go to grows of 3,000 square feet or smaller, the rest may be 3,000 to 30,000 square feet. All licenses require a $10-$250 application fee. Grows are licensed in 100 square feet “unit blocks” that shall cost $10-$100 each. Testers cost $500, Manufacturers cost $100-$1,000, and Retailers and Social Clubs cost $250-$2,500"
So, as of right now medical cannabis is NOT taxed at 'point of sale' so meaning they can sell it at 40$ flat with just the 5.5% tax for sales. Commercial scale operations and stores will have that 'point of sale' 10% tax right away. So that 40$ is now 44$ plus 5.5% sales tax. Yes they do this, bring in money for the state, they spend it on what they say( we all hope) I feel as if they didn't really think about what this COULD do.
You have medical patients and caregivers who can grow 6 budding 12 female and xxx 2ft or smaller plants, possess 2.5 ounces of prepared cannabis and up to 8 pounds of unprepared on site. Costs you no more than 250$ to get your card for it.
Why would anyone want to pay all the legal fees and permits for the actual footage your growing in to be able to sell the same grade medicine for a before its out the door 10% tax ontop of 5.5% when they can possibly obtain all legal shit to open a medical dispensary and have a normal 5.5%
Why wouldn't people just get a medical liscense and do it that way? Is it because people want to be able to go sit down and smoke a joint in a public place? 800,000 sq ft for the state, (40% of which are going to 3,000sq ft or smaller) Then you have local governments that can allow or deny sale and etc.. So i can see one county being loaded while the next 4 go hindered with a handful, if that. I just think this bill, the way it is wrote will be to jumbled for the economic system part of it all. Maybe i am wrong.
Don't get me wrong, i am all for cannabis legalization, just in the smartest way possible without big business controlling it. And with the least amount of government involvement as possible.
"Maine will specifically have licensed marijuana lounges with onsite consumption. You cannot be a licensee if, within the past ten years, you’ve been convicted of a drug crime that qualifies for a five year imprisonment or longer. Cultivation statewide is limited to a total of 800,000 square feet. 40 percent of all grow licenses must go to grows of 3,000 square feet or smaller, the rest may be 3,000 to 30,000 square feet. All licenses require a $10-$250 application fee. Grows are licensed in 100 square feet “unit blocks” that shall cost $10-$100 each. Testers cost $500, Manufacturers cost $100-$1,000, and Retailers and Social Clubs cost $250-$2,500"
So, as of right now medical cannabis is NOT taxed at 'point of sale' so meaning they can sell it at 40$ flat with just the 5.5% tax for sales. Commercial scale operations and stores will have that 'point of sale' 10% tax right away. So that 40$ is now 44$ plus 5.5% sales tax. Yes they do this, bring in money for the state, they spend it on what they say( we all hope) I feel as if they didn't really think about what this COULD do.
You have medical patients and caregivers who can grow 6 budding 12 female and xxx 2ft or smaller plants, possess 2.5 ounces of prepared cannabis and up to 8 pounds of unprepared on site. Costs you no more than 250$ to get your card for it.
Why would anyone want to pay all the legal fees and permits for the actual footage your growing in to be able to sell the same grade medicine for a before its out the door 10% tax ontop of 5.5% when they can possibly obtain all legal shit to open a medical dispensary and have a normal 5.5%
Why wouldn't people just get a medical liscense and do it that way? Is it because people want to be able to go sit down and smoke a joint in a public place? 800,000 sq ft for the state, (40% of which are going to 3,000sq ft or smaller) Then you have local governments that can allow or deny sale and etc.. So i can see one county being loaded while the next 4 go hindered with a handful, if that. I just think this bill, the way it is wrote will be to jumbled for the economic system part of it all. Maybe i am wrong.
Don't get me wrong, i am all for cannabis legalization, just in the smartest way possible without big business controlling it. And with the least amount of government involvement as possible.
tet1953
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That doesn't appear to be the case in Colorado.
CriticalCheeze
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Does colorado have the same population as Maine? No. colorado operates differently. Each system has different outcomes.
Bangaman
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A couple of facts people are missing when they look at what happened in other states. Mayeb peop[le do not want to look at the realities that matter and only notice the fluff.
1) Anything commercial to do with Cannabis will be out of reach for the common person. Reason: Bigger money and worse gangsters are involved, I mean like the corrupt business men who started this program rolling in the first place. Think the type of gangster that financed the wrongful imprisonment/incarceration of millions of Americans . You see, by the time these things hit the ballots, or become rumors, these bad whitey, old white collar gangsters have already made their moves, they create the rules and they are poised to pounce. They have also financed the politicians that lobby their issues. By the time you and I get whiff that an issue is going to be discussed as a law, these bad white collar gangsters have already written the requirements and the rules, and best of all, they have created a funnel, or "regulator so that they to control the market and stay ahead of the game.
In Massachusetts for instance:
1) First get the municipality to approve you (Big bad white collar boys already solidified relationships in municipalities and made it so that in those municipalities most likely to approve Cannabis etc, they have the political ties and set the quotas, not the city officials as we would like to believe.
One of the wonderful hurdles is the Non refundable deposit $45,000 that you could lose after the city approves you but the state does not. But you cannot know if the state will approve you until you make that deposit. Keep in mind they the state have a plethora of dumb ass Reasons to turn you down. Like in many cases you hear things like Oh we did not like that differed disposition in your record or something stupid like your Brother's (ex Wife's ) record (associating with felons) for what could have been a felony, and though you or they were never convicted, we decline your application at this time. You can reapply and convince the dumb ass council member or who never did not know (or selectively chose not to know) the legal terminology, "differed disposition" that you were never a felon, never convicted but you have to pay another $45,000 non refundable fee to make this correction. One money bleed after the other and as you move forward in your application process, each appropriation committee would have stuck a money bleeding harpoon in your flank so that by the time you cross the finish line, you will be bone broke or too disgusted to move forward or too delusional about the possible pink elephant profits ahead.
Now if you make it really close to the pink elephant, almost touching it, you will have about $1,500,000 in gross sales a week. Yumm you say. But now, listen to what Clinic owners are saying, Google it and you will see that is a Rich Broke Man's Industry to go big with Cannabis. Municipalities only see Gross Ticket Sales and you the clinic have so many social sore spots that they, city committees will sit around you poking you like the Pillsbury Dough Boy making all that cash drop into their filthy hands every time you giggle in pain.
1) Because you sell drugs in our community, we need 8% sales Tax, 7% Blah blah blah tax, 2% poopy poo tax, .5% sarah had a bad day tax, 3% Mayor needs a new desk Task, 5% I could never finance the Panties for my vacation to cancoon tax, and the list goes on. You know why? Public Opinion, and by the time you have made the city and Feds rich with taxes fees, and social "requirements" for a debt you owe for having a cannabis clinic in their community, that $1,500,000 will quickly become -ve $750,000,000 of debt weekly.
By the way, you can grow weed but non of your employees can test positive for weed says the feds who want nothing to do with your money but tell you how to run your business. And when we bust ou for having an employee test positive, we do not revoke your license, we just slap you hard with a heafty fine and do not tell you what your options to correct the issue that drove you to have people who test positive for THC because we want to be able to come back and fine you again. And the fines are double sometimes because the feds fine you for the same issues too. Oh the hurdles go on and on.
This is why I care less if it passes or not. Fiends have no loyalties anyways, they get their fix where the thirst hits them. That is why the Cannabis industry can never be fully regulated and the drug dealer will be in business for ever. Why do you think people still sell a shit load of cannabis on the streets in Amsterdam? Production of Marginal quality product is so within reach of every Joe Dicky dicky at such a shoe string budget that the price will always hold, and the product will always be illicit.
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Bangaman
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Cannabis clinic owners and operators are like baby seals. Everyone around them is ok with watching them get clubbed savagely on the heads and bled dry while alive inn plain site for all to see, using the most arcane torture instruments and everyone around is indifferent because the Clinic Represents a delicacy they all cannot do without, a source of easy money for their causes, and sweet weed, and the myth that the clinics make a shit load of profits.
Such myths are easy to believe because the street level Cannabis dealer is spending cents in exchange for dollars profits, people are deluded that if they go legal, they will have the same profit margins, or even a tenth of the street level profit margins. This is an illusion.
So yes, I like the way it is, I never want it to go fully legal in Maine. I sell more now than before and if it is fully regulated, I will struggle a little. Shit, I get mad customers off of Craigs list, Shiit! andf the cops cannot touch me, HAHAHAHAHA because you know why? I am a legal son of a bitch selling mother fucking drugs in the open to Grandma Susie Q who has always wanted to try weed and can now have a card and be legal. I did a sale right in front of the Police station on Fed St in Portland, garndma had a card, and was buying 2.5 ounces of weed, and I had another 2.5 ounces of wee carefree sitting right in my passenger seat no fear, I am a legal caregiver with 5 patients, I can carry 2.5 ounces of weed for each patient at a time and 2.5 for myself. In what world can this be better people?
Vote NO to Stall the process. Vote Yes to fully legalize and bad old Whitey Gangster wins. Right now, the caregiver is living large, while clinics have to keep increasing prices just to keep up with the Harpoons in their Flanks. They have to donate a shit load to satisfy social requirements, and they cannot even right off the donations to claim them as a loss, Feds won't let them. Big Bad Whitey cannot control the street caregiver who has all kinds of leeway and their way to stop us is to fully legalize. Once it is legalized they will start filling prisons with caregivers like they did at the end of the prohibition with bootleggers.
Vote No to Stall the process.of full Legalization. REMEMBER HOW BOOTLEGGERS lost the battle with the end of Prohibition? PEOPLE, LEARN FROM HISTORY!
VOTE NO AND STALL THE FULL REGULARIZATION PROCESS!
Such myths are easy to believe because the street level Cannabis dealer is spending cents in exchange for dollars profits, people are deluded that if they go legal, they will have the same profit margins, or even a tenth of the street level profit margins. This is an illusion.
So yes, I like the way it is, I never want it to go fully legal in Maine. I sell more now than before and if it is fully regulated, I will struggle a little. Shit, I get mad customers off of Craigs list, Shiit! andf the cops cannot touch me, HAHAHAHAHA because you know why? I am a legal son of a bitch selling mother fucking drugs in the open to Grandma Susie Q who has always wanted to try weed and can now have a card and be legal. I did a sale right in front of the Police station on Fed St in Portland, garndma had a card, and was buying 2.5 ounces of weed, and I had another 2.5 ounces of wee carefree sitting right in my passenger seat no fear, I am a legal caregiver with 5 patients, I can carry 2.5 ounces of weed for each patient at a time and 2.5 for myself. In what world can this be better people?
Vote NO to Stall the process. Vote Yes to fully legalize and bad old Whitey Gangster wins. Right now, the caregiver is living large, while clinics have to keep increasing prices just to keep up with the Harpoons in their Flanks. They have to donate a shit load to satisfy social requirements, and they cannot even right off the donations to claim them as a loss, Feds won't let them. Big Bad Whitey cannot control the street caregiver who has all kinds of leeway and their way to stop us is to fully legalize. Once it is legalized they will start filling prisons with caregivers like they did at the end of the prohibition with bootleggers.
Vote No to Stall the process.of full Legalization. REMEMBER HOW BOOTLEGGERS lost the battle with the end of Prohibition? PEOPLE, LEARN FROM HISTORY!
VOTE NO AND STALL THE FULL REGULARIZATION PROCESS!
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