spider mites !! can peroxide fix this!!!!!!!!repppp rep
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Dr. Who
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18 -20 days. It's translaminar (means that it is sprayed on the leaf surface and it goes through the leaf and settles on the bottom of them - right where the bastards feed!) and not systemic. It works as a lipid fat blocker in the insect and kills them the sameway insecticidal soaps do, by desiccation - it dries them out - It is effective on all stages of growth even effecting eggs! It is derived from an organic acid. It looses it's "organic label" due to the binder used to deliver it.
It is used on a massive scale growing on foods - Strawberries mostly. The concentrate strength in Forbid is 50% of the one used on food stuff's! In 5 different toxicology reports from college studies. It was found as "non harmful to humans"....other then possible skin and eye irritation from allergies to the concentrate/mix.
If you question an insecticide as being poisonous to people. Google the name of the insecticide "XXXXX toxicology reports" and you'll learn the truth - including effective life of etc.
FORBID is NOT!
NO, NO,NO! Sevin is NASTY shit! Here's a nice brief from a friends web site.
Why not use Sevin?
Human exposure, be it from direct skin contact, inhalation or ingestion, leads to nausea, impaired cognitive development and tremors. Higher incidences of Parkinson’s disease have been reported by the Harvard School of Public health and the Mayo Clinic. The American Veterinary Medical Association shows related cancer rates in dogs exposed to lawn care and garden chemicals. Other concerns: the compounds that make up Sevin are mutagens causing fetal abnormalities during pregnancy, reproductive dysfunctions in males and females, kidney and liver damage and behavioral problems in humans and animals. Carbaryl is an inhibitor of the cholinesterase enzyme, found in nervous tissue, red blood cells. It is also a carcinogen and has shown to induce DNA damage in humans, animals and plants. Breakdown of this chemical in the stomach, coupled with ingestion of sodium nitrate, a common food additive, forms nitrosocarbaryl, a more potent mutagenic compound.
Sevin is highly toxic to bees, aquatic invertebrates, and mollusks. Groundwater contamination and subsequent runoff affects the entire food chain. It also increases the toxicity of another common yard chemical, 2-4-D or Scotts Weed & Feed or Miracle Grow.
Sevin is never used by me for anything! EVER!
AnimalMother1974
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What is? forbid or neem?
explosive82
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I read this when i googled toxicology avid
Plants do not absorb abamectin from the soil (6). Abamectin is subject to rapid degradation when present as a thin film, as on treated leaf surfaces. Under laboratory conditions and in the presence of light, its half-life as a thin film was 4 to 6 hours
I seriously doubt it only sticks around 4-6 hours how long would it be in the plant if it were sprayed?
whitebb2727
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Spinosad is a bacteria that is found only one place on earth. Old rum distilleries.
It kills leaf eating pest. It doesn't kill beneficials like predatory mites.
I will correct my statement about bees. According to the label it is only toxic to bees for 3 hours after treatment.
Dr. Who
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That's "half life" That tells you how fast it degrades to "non effective".....12 hrs. That would be by exposure to UV radiation for the most part. All forms of UV - A,B and C. The sun supplies that. Indoors there is less UV light emitted by most lighting that we use. The AVID will last as long as 16-24 hrs! Those who supply supplemental UVB lighting, will get LESS effective time as the amount of UV is more then the sun supplies by a bit - No estimate on time loss, sorry. In some insecticides, this is used as a way to engineer a "time limit" to the affects of the product. The ability to do that is only used in insecticides that are influenced by that "factor". BUT! The AVID can be detected for a long time after it has become "ineffective". By both of the popular ways to "test" MM!
The other degradation factor would be the air it's self.....Nothing like the light factor!
AVID works, but not as well as FORBID - another thing for praise in forbid is that it does not get a tolerance to it from mites.
That means that they do not get tolerant to tit and your not creating immune "super mites"......BIG bonus!
whitebb2727
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One correction.
Half life works different. With 12 hour half life @1,000 ppm, for example. 12 hours the would be 500 ppm, another 12 hours, 250 ppm, another 12 hours 125 ppm.
That why I cringe when people use a product with a 30-60 day half life and think its gone in that time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-life
purplehays1
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Forbid, AVID, Floramite and Spinosad are all effective against spider mites. BUT If you have spider mites that came from another cannabis grower there is a high likelyhood they are resist to these products and have bred through multiple treatments. This leads to these products only keeping an infestation at bay and becoming even more resistant. The only product i have found that is 100% effective every time is Tetra-San, if u live in Southern California shoot me a private message and u can come pick some up from me. Bought it when i owned a ranch, its for agriculture industry only with a certain license. I have a ton of the shit more than i could ever use, could kill every 2 spot mite in socal.
Dr. Who
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explosive82
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How long would it be detectable in MM "tests"? I haven't used it yet and probably won't now that you said this (will most likely use forbid instead) but i'm curious to know this as i know some friends who have used it.
purplehays1
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You need to be very careful what you are telling people. Saying things like "It was found as "non harmful to humans" is very subjective. Forbid is not supposed to be used on any plant that is for human or animal consumption that cannot be thoroughly washed (are you washing your cannabis?). . While forbid may not be as dangerous as AVID or Floramite (both very nasty) it is still highly hazardous to humans. The packaging specifically says to wear long sleeves, and gloves and to limit exposure to as little as possible and to thuroghly ventilate area before re-entry. Whenever i use ANY pesticide i also wear a respirator even when, as in the case with forbid, the package doesn't expressly say to. This is still a very hazardous chemical that should not be inhaled (smoked) or absorbed through the skin even in trace amounts. Use only up until the point of bud formation.
Dr. Who
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Honestly, I can't answer that with any sureness. I would ask your local testing facility....
YOUR wrong on the FORBID! It does not get any tolerance from the target insects!
purplehays1
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FORBID 4F contains an active ingredient with a novel mode of action. Studies to determine cross-resistance with FORBID 4F linked to other commercial insecticide/miticides have demonstrated no cross-resistance. However, repeated use of any plant protection product may increase the RESISTANCE MANAGEMENT development of resistant strains of pests, including insects and mites. Using FORBID 4F in successive miticide applications during the same growing season is not recommended. Use FORBID 4F as a part of a sound resistance management program that includes rotation with other treatments with different modes of action.
PRECAUTIONS: KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN. May be harmful if swallowed, inhaled, or absorbed through skin. Causes eye irritation. Avoid contact with skin, eyes, or clothing. Do not breathe vapour. When handling the product, wear long-sleeved shirt, long pants, and chemical-resistant gloves. Mixer/loaders should also wear a respirator with appropriate filter, and goggles or face shield in addition to the above. Vacate the area to be treated until the application is complete.
Both from the products packaging. Please stop spewing Bullshit, stuff is toxic and works like any miticide, thus they can gain tolerance.
Dr. Who
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Great - here goes this shit again!
How about YOU read the toxicology reports your self! and I quote " found as not harmful to humans" in any normal application rate or concentration!
As far as packaging goes. THAT is a GENERIC FEDERAL MANDATE! Labeling on any insecticide IS a geralazation for the level it's rated. Forbid is a "Caution" level label ! It has almost NOTHING to due with just how toxic it is!
IT IS NOT A VERY HAZARDOUS CHEMICAL!
You must be a Republican for your affinity to spread fear and misinformation!
READ THE FACTS! I TOLD YOU HOW!
purplehays1
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where is this toxicology report?Great - here goes this shit again!
How about YOU read the toxicology reports your self! and I quote " found as not harmful to humans" in any normal application rate or concentration!
As far as packaging goes. THAT is a GENERIC FEDERAL MANDATE! Labeling on any insecticide IS a geralazation for the level it's rated. Forbid is a "Caution" level label ! It has almost NOTHING to due with just how toxic it is!
IT IS NOT A VERY HAZARDOUS CHEMICAL!
You must be a Republican for your affinity to spread fear and misinformation!
Dr. Who
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Your wrong! Sorry (not at this point) YOU should actually READ a tox report!
You need to take some Hort class's buddy! You're lacking on understanding......
I gotta go! I'll be back to refute any other drivel you post
purplehays1
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haha so u say u have read a tox report then cant produce it....wow
Dr. Who
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IF YOU actually READ my post past the point YOU don't like!
YOU would have seen HOW to your self!
Dr. Who
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Another fucking helpless TROLL!
READ THE FIRST 3 POSTS HERE
https://www.rollitup.org/t/spidermite-spray-causing-more-damage-than-good-whats-next.867756/page-3