Ruwtz Maneuver Vol 1

[ruwtz]

I might as well throw something up here about my two other strains which have been straggling a little.

First up, I popped some 24 Carat (Tangie x Kosher by DNA) a month ago now and they were my unfortunate test bunch to get this brand new room going right. I had issues with swinging humidity and heat early on, and set back by overwatering with seeds in rockwool cubes; I have since gone with Root Riots with all other strains and i'm happy.

At one point i'd all but left these for dead in cups under the T5HO but they bounced back and their recovery has been a nice surprise. New growth is good and they are all improving after being minaturised/stunted. Even old leaves with severe chlorosis are winning. They were topped a week ago and the new shoots are excellent.

Due to good behavior I transplanted them today into the blocks and moved them into veg. I probably won't flower but will run them out for genetics, for sure. I have 5 of these, 3 of which look promising despite early setbacks.

 

[ruwtz]

The last strain is some Gorilla Glue bag seed which I figured I may as well take a look at since its a very nice smoke. I had something like 9 seeds from a cheap eighth, and have 5 in week 2 veg now.

I didn't feel like wasting a Pargro block on these girls so they went into coco cups under the T5, but as with the Tangie above they've done ok so today I transplanted them over with a bit of Hormex, Hydroguard, Rapid Roots and a drop of N-booster.

Since I have theorized some root issues with my money strains like Larry OG and Blackjack, it has been interesting to see the decent root development in these GG's during transplant.

They've been overwatered and suffered heat stress as temps would hit 94F+ with the nursery cover closed, plus I haven't been paying much attention to their feed. I'd say despite these things they've done ok.

These are also now over in blocks on the veg table, and i'll grow them out to find some future runners.

 

[ttystikk]

First res change today: at veg day 11 so its probably about time. Nice and slimy in there once I pumped most of it out into the rose garden. Trying to let nothing go to waste here but if this doesn't work out i'll just toss it.

I have also ditched the rubber grommets elevating the Pargro blocks on the flood table and gone with a very thin layer of hydroton, as I believe this will drain better and we're still good if roots come through.

A 25L bag was slightly too short to fill the table completely but i'll live.

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When I lifted one of the blocks off its rubber 'stand' I saw a whole bunch of ants in there enjoying the damp, the little fuckers. I swept them away and now i'm searching the room for their "in", as I was pretty certain I had sealed this place up good. The APB is out on ants.

Looks nice in there. I like hydroton for the same purpose.

Check those ants carefully. If they aren't fire ants or leaf cutters, let them be. They'll eat plenty of nasty things.

 

[ruwtz]

Looking to deal with what is already mounting cost of nutes in this e&f system, especially with aiming for a weekly res change. Been reading up on Jack's Professional line of hydro salts (jrpeters.com) and I like what I see. I would have no problem swapping out my res every week if its costing cents instead of dollars to toss that water out, and Jack's products come highly rated and cheap.

It'll be future runs as i'm paid in now with GH, but looks like Jack's is my man.

Anyone want to talk DIY N-P-K ratios, city water reports and homemade bennies??

 

[UncleBuck]

you're overthinking it, but that's OK. we all did that on the first run.

let them grow, get your experience, and most importantly just have fun with it. you'll figure it all out.

 

[ttystikk]

Looking to deal with what is already mounting cost of nutes in this e&f system, especially with aiming for a weekly res change. Been reading up on Jack's Professional line of hydro salts (jrpeters.com) and I like what I see. I would have no problem swapping out my res every week if its costing cents instead of dollars to toss that water out, and Jack's products come highly rated and cheap.

It'll be future runs as i'm paid in now with GH, but looks like Jack's is my man.

Anyone want to talk DIY N-P-K ratios, city water reports and homemade bennies??

I'm your huckleberry. I've been running dry salts for years.

 

[BobBitchen]

Yea, I think tty's your man for custom dry mix.
I'v been using Jacks for a few years now & I'm very happy with results & price, as I also run
Drain to waste.


Edit: also like Maxsea

 

[ruwtz]

I haven't been around long but somehow I knew @ttystikk would be the man.

I dripped off a good couple of hours yesterday on the Jack's website, they have some good reading about matching water supply to fert products.

The essentials of my city water report looks like this:

HCO3 113ppm (bicarbonate)
CaCO3 93ppm *low alkalinity calcium carbonate*
Sodium 71ppm *over 50=high*
Ca 36ppm *40-75=norm, 25=low*
Silica 16ppm
Mg 11ppm *30-50=norm, 15=low*
K 3ppm *over 10=high*
P 47ppb

My basic grasp of this is that I have relatively low alkalinity and that Ca, Mg, K and P are all low or in acceptable range for our purposes, but that sodium is high. I have no clue at this point if bicarbonates, the highest ppm of all here, should be of any interest at all.

I did read that an undesirable level of sodium can be addressed by supplying calcium at the same or greater level.

I had a Jack's technical specialist on the phone who said this shouldn't be a problem when combined with the 5-12-26 and cal/nit in a d2w system, which I kinda expected them to say.

Do you guys order their pro lines on t'interwebs? Because I see no way of doing it on their site, unlike their regular stuff.

you're overthinking it, but that's OK. we all did that on the first run.

let them grow, get your experience, and most importantly just have fun with it. you'll figure it all out.

Definitely overthinking... is there any other way to think? Its part of the fun, if you ask me.

 

[BobBitchen]

I'v only used the 20.20.20. All purpose off amazon

 

[Michael Huntherz]

I'v only used the 20.20.20. All purpose off amazon

Do you grow in soil? I'm considering trying that stuff in Tupur coco, is it your only fertilizer? If so, I love that.

 

[BobBitchen]

Do you grow in soil? I'm considering trying that stuff in Tupur coco, is it your only fertilizer? If so, I love that.

I'm using pro mix with some ewc, & bag compost, also use maxsea & Alaska fish. I'm gonna look into Tupur, been some good woRd on it.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

I'm using pro mix with some ewc, & bag compost, also use maxsea & Alaska fish. I'm gonna look into Tupur, been some good woRd on it.

I am starting my first run with it this month. Planning on Using Jack's Hydro FeED and Blossom Booster, plus a little Epsom and MKP on occasion. Would be cool if I could just use the 20-20-20 all the way through.

 

[ruwtz]

I got an early start today to check on the girls in the middle of their lights-out and I see night time humidity is up at 85%. I have the AC programmed to be off at night which may be the cause. I'm gonna give it a spin in dry mode at night, but failing that I probably just need a small dehu for veg now.

And I really should seal up that reservoir!

Edit: probably explains to slow water take-up as girls aren't able to transpire as much as they would like. I went 4 days before watering this morning and blocks were still not close to being dry.

 

[ruwtz]

So the issue of leaf lesions has not improved, with those middle leaf sets (2nd and 3rd nodes of 5) getting more severe in all cases of the Larry OG.

This issue is now not isolated to the Larry and i'm seeing some signs of the same or a similar issue in the Blackjack, which is my youngest strain (only by a couple of days, mind) but so far the best grower.

Take a look...

This is three of the worst Larry girls, day 24 since germ:







Growth is still good, new shoots continue to abound, and plants are not wilting or curling or burning in any way. Affected leaves are holding their color with only slight chlorosis at leaf edges.

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This is the new lesions on the Blackjack, day 22. As you can see these lesions are isolated and random, although they are showing slightly differently than they did in the Larry: these are light instead of dark during early stage, they are affecting leaf tips or edges in places, and can be seen from the underside of the leaf (appearing transparent). Its almost like a bug attack rather than anything else!







Girls were fed yesterday, first time in 4 days: GH Trio, CalMag, Rhizoblast, Recharge + Hormex, 1/2 strength, pH 6.3 + 650ppm, coming up to week 3 veg.

I definitely have night time humidity issues - up to 88% - and i'm awaiting delivery tomorrow of a small dehu for this veg room. This may be stunting transpiration and leading to a lockout, although i'm not convinced thats what this looks like.

I don't think I should ignore this. What do you guys make of it?

 

[ruwtz]

I should also add that I haven't flushed once yet. In soil I would properly flush weekly at least, with every other water being plain, but I'm under different advice here with these Pargro blocks.

I see some white deposits on the top of some of the blocks and some orange crust at the base of some stems. It does not appear biological and presumably is just dry salt.

Do you think this could indicate a toxic salt buildup and that I should incorporate flushing??

 

[ttystikk]

I should also add that I haven't flushed once yet. In soil I would properly flush weekly at least, with every other water being plain, but I'm under different advice here with these Pargro blocks.

I see some white deposits on the top of some of the blocks and some orange crust at the base of some stems. It does not appear biological and presumably is just dry salt.

Do you think this could indicate a toxic salt buildup and that I should incorporate flushing??

When you water, do it until you get some runoff, at least 15%. This helps to leach any excess buildup of nutrient salts, helping to alleviate that area of concern.

Use fresh nutes, I'd start with EC 1.5 or 750 ppm on the 500 scale.

 

[ruwtz]

When you water, do it until you get some runoff, at least 15%. This helps to leach any excess buildup of nutrient salts, helping to alleviate that area of concern.

Use fresh nutes, I'd start with EC 1.5 or 750 ppm on the 500 scale.

Are you talking about the salt buildup i've noticed, or the lesions?

Its an e&f system so I run it to flood for 10 mins or so, and obviously every watering is a feed, no alternating with plain water. Drain is deliberately short (1.5" high) so the blocks are never 100% saturated and will wick.

Res is fresh yesterday and I will be changing every week. Currently at two waterings per week, but I reckon this will change up when I get lights-off humidity under control and they can transpire better.

Are you saying I should factor in flushing? I'm told differently about growing in these RW blocks so haven't planned for this or done it so far. I expect I would do it once before flipping, and then regularly during late stage flower and final flush week.

 

[ttystikk]

Are you talking about the salt buildup i've noticed, or the lesions?

Its an e&f system so I run it to flood for 10 mins or so, and obviously every watering is a feed, no alternating with plain water. Drain is deliberately short (1.5" high) so the blocks are never 100% saturated and will wick.

Res is fresh yesterday and I will be changing every week. Currently at two waterings per week, but I reckon this will change up when I get lights-off humidity under control and they can transpire better.

Are you saying I should factor in flushing? I'm told differently about growing in these RW blocks so haven't planned for this or done it so far. I expect I would do it once before flipping, and then regularly during late stage flower and final flush week.

Sounds like you have things under control, actually.

 

[ruwtz]

Sounds like you have things under control, actually.

Really?? I feel like these poor little leaves are telling me something else!

 

[Wisher2]

Really?? I feel like these poor little leaves are telling me something else!

I havnt chimed in on anything in this thread but have been following
IMO I would first drop my ph down to between 5.5-5.8 and allow it to swing up to 6.5 before bringing it back down....allowing the full gammot of Macro and Micro to be obsorbed
IMO 6.3 is much to high for these young plants......
only when you flip to flower...6.0-6.5 is good but not this young
I believe that your plants are not being allowed to get everything they need by lockout due to ph
IMO I would also drop everything but the gh trio.....kinda reset and go from the basics
I dont believe you need CalMg ...even with RO GH has plenty although if using RO you can set calmg for base reason and go from there
and the rest really arent necessary
many people grow amazing plants in hydro on very little.....
i.e. jacks, lucas etc....
keep it kiss until they are stabilized.....then you can add
but the rest of what you are using is completely unnecessary at this point
IMHO