Islam: Evil or misunderstood

[Prophecy]

Mjetta, I really doubt they maintain that Jesus Christ is the son of a virgin Mary, and the Son of God. They do maintain that he is a prophet, (like Moses and Mohammed). There is no Holy Spirit in Islam (That's part of the Catholic Trinity)

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I have a Catholic Bible; but the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is also found in my King James edit of my New Internaltinal Version (NIV) in Matthew Chapter 28:16 - 20, particularly, Matthew chapter 28:19 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and v.20 teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.

This goes back to my question of when do you put the Spirit above the religion?

For ultimately and orgiginally God wills us to look to His Truth in Heart and Word/Spirit.

 

[mjetta]

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I must admit my studies of the Holy Koran are ahead of me, God willing, but what I've read thus far, I clearly recognize the Spirit of Holy. My question is repentance; how do you clear your conscience of sin based on religion and/or laws.

I dont fully understand the question

 

[OGkushOG]

What do they have to say about Darfur?
Darfur Refugee Camp Attacked - TIME

What do they have to say about this?
PHILIPPINES Mindanao: four Christians killed, a fifth missing - Asia News

What do they think of this?
Reuters AlertNet - Pro-al Qaeda fighters train in Gaza Strip

C'mon dude, Darfur is a cultural, geographical, racial, and political problem. It is Muslims killing Muslims. Tt has nothing to do with religion. Someone as "cultured" as you should know that. The complexity of that conflict is far greater then being able to blame it on Muslim radicals, which by the way have nothing to do with it.

I'm sorry that every single Muslim leader does not condone every act of violence ever done by radicals. There have been thousands of Muslim leaders who have condoned terrorism as a whole, you know, the "non-radical" ones. Why would they waste there time talking about every single attack that happens?

I don't see Rabbi's or evangelical Christian leaders condemning the thousands of innocent Muslims killed, wounded, or displaced every year by Israel, USA, Russia, China, and India. In fact, most Rabbi's in Israel (the hyprocritical ones) and Evangelical leaders condone the killing of the Palestinians.

To claim Islam to be peaceful or not you have to look by what the Qur'an teaches and not the actions of its followers. I clearly showed you what Islam teaches, and how it is a very straight and true religion. With this, Islam as a religion can not possibly be violent if its teachings condemn violence. One could argue that Muslims are violent, and in a sense that is true. Probably about 1% of them are. But, because their religion does not condone violence, it is necessary to understand what is making them violent, and how to solve these issues.

 

[omegafarmer]

religion is evil in almost all of its forms accepting very few. more killing has been done in the name of god then any other, but really its all for the almighty $$$ as a species we are pretty fucking stupid imo. no other species needs to use money to trade or co-operate so we will fall for the same old tricks over and over

 

[Johnnyorganic]

C'mon dude, Darfur is a cultural, geographical, racial, and political problem. It is Muslims killing Muslims. Tt has nothing to do with religion. Someone as "cultured" as you should know that. The complexity of that conflict is far greater then being able to blame it on Muslim radicals, which by the way have nothing to do with it.

I'm sorry that every single Muslim leader does not condone every act of violence ever done by radicals. There have been thousands of Muslim leaders who have condoned terrorism as a whole, you know, the "non-radical" ones. Why would they waste there time talking about every single attack that happens?

I don't see Rabbi's or evangelical Christian leaders condemning the thousands of innocent Muslims killed, wounded, or displaced every year by Israel, USA, Russia, China, and India. In fact, most Rabbi's in Israel (the hyprocritical ones) and Evangelical leaders condone the killing of the Palestinians.

To claim Islam to be peaceful or not you have to look by what the Qur'an teaches and not the actions of its followers. I clearly showed you what Islam teaches, and how it is a very straight and true religion. With this, Islam as a religion can not possibly be violent if its teachings condemn violence. One could argue that Muslims are violent, and in a sense that is true. Probably about 1% of them are. But, because their religion does not condone violence, it is necessary to understand what is making them violent, and how to solve these issues.

Really. Muslim on Muslim. They might be surprised to hear that the Sudan is all Muslim in Juba, "capital of Sudan's mainly Christian south." You confuse Islamic state with Islamic population.
Sudan Catholics Turn to Darfur Saint |Save Darfur

You might want to brush up on your geography before you lecture us 'cultured' folks.

Sunni Muslim 70% (in north), Christian 5% (mostly in south and Khartoum), indigenous beliefs 25%

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/

Darfur is the Westernmost region of the Sudan and is not all Muslim. Even if it were a strictly Muslim problem, I hear no outcry. Correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to believe genocide is fine as long as it is all 'in house.'

Plenty of Americans, including religious leaders, criticize the American presence in Iraq, but it's not the American military intentionally killing civilians. The Americans and their allies specifically avoid collateral damage whereas the 'freedom fighters' have no problem targeting civilians along with the U.S. military. They know they will be held blameless in the eyes of their supporters.

Any religion is a product of men. To say one cannot judge a religion based on the actions of its adherents is evasive and makes no sense.

 

[Prophecy]

Really. Muslim on Muslim. They might be surprised to hear that the Sudan is all Muslim in Juba, "capital of Sudan's mainly Christian south." You confuse Islamic state with Islamic population.
Sudan Catholics Turn to Darfur Saint |Save Darfur

You might want to brush up on your geography before you lecture us 'cultured' folks.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/

Darfur is the Westernmost region of the Sudan and is not all Muslim. Even if it were a strictly Muslim problem, I hear no outcry. Correct me if I am wrong, but you seem to believe genocide is fine as long as it is all 'in house.'

Plenty of Americans, including religious leaders, criticize the American presence in Iraq, but it's not the American military intentionally killing civilians. The Americans and their allies specifically avoid collateral damage whereas the 'freedom fighters' have no problem targeting civilians along with the U.S. military. They know they will be held blameless in the eyes of their supporters.

Any religion is a product of men. To say one cannot judge a religion based on the actions of its adherents is evasive and makes no sense.

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Again, to me its really about the Spirit of the entity, in this cse person and/or religon. Their is evil in almost all religions, remember their was evil and temptation in the Garden of Eden, everything else basically echoes this original test and event. All Islam is not evil, all Christians are not good; the devil goes to church synagogues, temples, and mosques; I am sure he/she/ot/them like to take them out of the house of God as much as she/he/it/them like to keep them out. Remember, "the wolf in sheeps clothing"; I believe this is his/her/its/their favorarite being; like the serpent in the Garden of Eden, no lie but much deeciption and psychopathy motivated truths; my point, the devil didn't lie to Adam and Eve in the Garden, the devil didn't lie to Jesus after he came out of the period of isolation/solitary/desert.



Ultimately it comes to believers and unbelievers; seekers of the Light, seekers of the darkness and those who don't seek any eternal essence. Thus, the nature or the heart of our deeds, and the deeds thereof is what the Word tells me we will be mesasure by God of in accordance with the Spirit/Word of Truth.


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[Prophecy]

Do Not Yoke with Unbelievers
2 Corinthians 6:14 – chapter 7:1

Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? v.15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”

v.17 “ Therefore come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will be a Father to you,
and you will be my sons and
daughters,
says the Lord Almighty.”
c.7.v.1 Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.

 

[medicineman]

Do Not Yoke with Unbelievers
2 Corinthians 6:14 – chapter 7:1

Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? v.15 What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people.”

v.17 “ Therefore come out from them
and be separate,
says the Lord.
Touch no unclean thing,
and I will be a Father to you,
and you will be my sons and
daughters,
says the Lord Almighty.”
c.7.v.1 Since we have these promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.

Looks like an extremely hard road to hoe. This praying 5-7 times a day in public kinda goes against what God said in the bible. "Go ye into a closet and let no man see you pray". In otherwords, do not wear your religion on your coatsleeve. I believe religion should be a personal relationship between you and God, Amen.

 

[bobharvey]

Looks like an extremely hard road to hoe. This praying 5-7 times a day in public kinda goes against what God said in the bible. "Go ye into a closet and let no man see you pray". In otherwords, do not wear your religion on your coatsleeve. I believe religion should be a personal relationship between you and God, Amen.

I agree that we all have to have a personal relationship with God. We all have our paths and no path is better than another. The Buddha said to find the middle path. The Bible also tells Christians to meditate everyday! Jesus alludes to meditation when He speaks about the Kingdom of God. When asked of the Pharisee when the Kingdom of God was coming Jesus said "Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

"But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you." Matthew 6:33


Jesus said to look within for the Kingdom of God. Devote to it and everything else will be added to you. I think the five daily prayers are signs of devotion.

 

[gscanaba]

Of course Muslims are evil. Are you kidding me? If you don't believe in Jesus and only Jesus your going to hell my friend. Duh.

 

[Prophecy]

Looks like an extremely hard road to hoe. This praying 5-7 times a day in public kinda goes against what God said in the bible. "Go ye into a closet and let no man see you pray". In otherwords, do not wear your religion on your coatsleeve. I believe religion should be a personal relationship between you and God, Amen.

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That makes some sense, but its always helpful if you could put the Book chapter and verse of some unfimiliar scriptures. But, in response to your statement, I agree its moist fundamental to have a personal relationship with God; it is consistently fundamental to testify and permit the Word of God to be your Armor in the world. I thnk the scripture you used can be interpreted as meaning not to do it just for show but to do so our of the sincerity of your heart.

Because when its a lifestyle you mist certainly don't want to comprimise your personal relationship to the ways of the world, do you; so, as long as you keeping t real with God and yourself, express it how your led to express it by the Spirit of Truth: heart and mind/conscience.

 

[Prophecy]

Of course Muslims are evil. Are you kidding me? If you don't believe in Jesus and only Jesus your going to hell my friend. Duh.

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Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the Spirit of Allah to mankind on earth.

 

[Prophecy]

"God’s Faithfulness"​

Romans Chapter 3:1 – 8​

What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? Much in every way! First of all, they have been entrusted with the very words of God.

v.3 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true and every man a liar. As it is written:

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“So that you may be proved right​

When you speak​

And prevail when you judge.”​

v.5 But if our unrighteousness brings out God’s righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on us? (I am using a human argument.) Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world?

v.7 Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?” Why not say – as we are being slanderously reported as saying and as some claim that we say – “Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is deserved.



Love God;
Homage your love ones to God;
Worship God thru your loved ones,
Mark Daniels
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[We Love 1]

Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the Spirit of Allah to mankind on earth.

Yes, We ALL are One!

We are ALL living in the Body of Christ!

https://www.rollitup.org/spirituality-sexuality-philosophy/59853-christianity-has-been-debunked-once-60.html

One!

The REVOLUTION has begun!

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

 

[ZenMaster]

Yes, We ALL are One!

We are ALL living in the Body of Christ!

https://www.rollitup.org/spirituality-sexuality-philosophy/59853-christianity-has-been-debunked-once-60.html

One!

The REVOLUTION has begun!

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

Hey WeTarded.

 

[ccodiane]

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[We Love 1]

Hey WeTarded.

Whats up Zen? HAHA, long time no talk. (We found God, I had doubts for some time because of the way life has been going.)

Tell me all you know about Zenergy. I've never asked You about what Your name actually means to You! Any good links? I'm going to start studing Thai Chi and other older "art" forms.

One!

The REVOLUTION has begun!

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

 

[NewGrowth]

Whats up Zen? HAHA, long time no talk. (We found God, I had doubts for some time because of the way life has been going.)

Tell me all you know about Zenergy. I've never asked You about what Your name actually means to You! Any good links? I'm going to start studing Thai Chi and other older "art" forms.

One!

The REVOLUTION has begun!

RON PAUL REVOLUTION

~PEACE~

He knows nothing about Zen, read his posts bro
I prefer buddhist teachers that don't beat me with sticks, Zen is misinterpreted in the west. Ok back to work for me

 

[Prophecy]

The Martyr of martyrs​

(The Martyrism of Jesus Christ)​

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To suffer, to testify, to love, to judge like Christ Jesus; this ought be every Truth seeker's desire and revelation in principal.​

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God bless the true righteous seekers, in the name of the Most High God: Yahweh, Jehovah, El, Allah, Jesus Christ is right; in the name of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit; by the Blood of Jesus Christ, ​

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Amen.​

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One True God, One rue Truth, which leads to heaven and hell; what's your nature, so be it.​

 

[ZenMaster]

He knows nothing about Zen, read his posts bro
I prefer buddhist teachers that don't beat me with sticks, Zen is misinterpreted in the west. Ok back to work for me

Actually, NewGrowth, I am very familiar with zen, or enlightenment. I agree with most of the logic and teachings of Buddism save verse their philosophy on religion.

Constantly I am accosted with the bleak acquiescence of my own limits and abilities. I yearn for more clarity and wisdom and I shall never cease to explicate the boundaries of my own mind. Thus is the true meaning behind my username, ZenMaster. There could be no such greater exhilarating experience as such a zen or enlightenment that even a perfect drug could match.

Typically I tell most users on the forum that I received my name through the moments when I get high, but thats mostly on Toke n Talk, try to keep it simple for the kiddos.

But you are right, Zen is misinterpreted in the west, but I believe there can be a healthy marriage of the two. In the east, the only way you can attain zen is through extensive meditation and reflection whilst in the west its more romantisized and bestowed on new-age thinkers.