Gavita's are they really worth the price ??

[Michael Huntherz]

yes i was. Here on riu....is rife with noobs and third year pros that think they just hit the jackpot or whatever. I dont mean to be a debbie downer or what have you...but iam here to tell them...i been where yer at rite now. Its all good. But ground yerself in reality fer a sec. Theres a reason you "discovered" how easy it can be to grow fire ass cannabis indoors under lights. And its not anything revolutionary or ah hah light bulbish moment. And dont put all yer eggs in one basket. I welcome the new ness and intrigue and questions...but ...

I haven't been growing long, but I have been around long enough to know I am not a special snowflake, haha. There is a lot of immature behavior out there, and it does get tiring even for a newb like me. I just love growing this plant a lot, and I have been an every day burner for over a quarter of a century, I guess. That's where I am coming from. I sometimes see a thoughtful person take up growing, use their head and be humble about it. They usually do great. But for every one of them there are a thousand loudmouths who think they are going to change the world before their second harvest.

 

[since1991]

I haven't been growing long, but I have been around long enough to know I am not a special snowflake, haha. There is a lot of immature behavior out there, and it does get tiring even for a newb like me. I just love growing this plant a lot, and I have been an every day burner for over a quarter of a century, I guess. That's where I am coming from. I sometimes see a thoughtful person take up growing, use their head and be humble about it. They usually do great. But for every one of them there are a thousand loudmouths who think they are going to change the world before their second harvest.

You said the KEY WORD to me. Humility!!! I can already tell yer approaching this with the right head. I will be honest and say....back in the early nineties i thought i was the cock of the walk. Complete ego douche bag. I had no clue. It was so underground back then. I thought i was king and had the best...how wrong i was. Took le years to really learn how to grow. And man up and realize. ..i didntmm.and still dont know jack shit.

 

[since1991]

We should start a new thread titled "you thought you knew it all but..." The first thing i would reply is breeding ...tissue culture...and COB lighting

 

[Michael Huntherz]

You said the KEY WORD to me. Humility!!! I can already tell yer approaching this with the right head. I will be honest and say....back in the early nineties i thought i was the cock of the walk. Complete ego douche bag. I had no clue. It was so underground back then. I thought i was king and had the best...how wrong i was. Took le years to really learn how to grow. And man up and realize. ..i didntmm.and still dont know jack shit.

If I have learned anything about how to learn anything it is that the first step is to accept that I am an idiot who knows almost nothing. There's some science behind that, and in the real world I learn stuff for a living, I should honestly be better at it. I know you are a hell of a grower at this point, I have seen that.

It all goes back to the learning process, read this if you feel like getting nerdy with that sort of thing:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_model_of_skill_acquisition
Or how to hunt bears:
http://www.wayland-informatics.com/The Seven Stages of Expertise in Software.htm

 

[ttystikk]

If I have learned anything about how to learn anything it is that the first step is to accept that I am an idiot who knows almost nothing. There's some science behind that, and in the real world I learn stuff for a living, I should honestly be better at it. I know you are a hell of a grower at this point, I have seen that.

It all goes back to the learning process, read this if you feel like getting nerdy with that sort of thing:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_model_of_skill_acquisition
Or how to hunt bears:
http://www.wayland-informatics.com/The Seven Stages of Expertise in Software.htm

Good links, bro.

 

[Agcat]

Look up cherry tomatoes grown in AZ . 640 ACRE greenhouse .By the way, I Iive in Anchorage ,Alaska ,where warehouse space is at a premium ,investors just waiting for the state to start licensing . Ever hear of a gold rush , better to be a purveyor of shovels , than a prospector for gold .

 

[since1991]

Companys in the greenhouse equipment business are just starting to make alot of money. And will make a shitload in the near future. Ive even heard of huge offers being made for huge already existing hot house tomato complexes in the Southwest....to buy them up completely and make them ready for cannabis farming. Soon these ag complexes will be cranking out cannabis by the tonnage. Price sets are so up in the air...and will be for a minute until the dust settles and the legalization "model" is set. Nows the time for the cowboys with lots of cash to buy up amd invest. Going off of existing (coming fresh out of prohibition) price models....ALOT of monies to he made very quickly.

 

[kelly1376]

Look up cherry tomatoes grown in AZ . 640 ACRE greenhouse .By the way, I Iive in Anchorage ,Alaska ,where warehouse space is at a premium ,investors just waiting for the state to start licensing . Ever hear of a gold rush , better to be a purveyor of shovels , than a prospector for gold .

I've done quite a bit of research into the tomato model and figure the ultimate wholesale price of cannabis could fall as low as the ~$50/lb area. Tomatoes sell for ~$1/lb wholesale, and their are farmers making money at that price. Tomato plants grown in greenhouse or outdoor produce ~20-30 lbs per plant. Figure cannabis greenhouse or outdoor averages ~1 lb per plant. So 20-30:1. A tomato farmer could switch to growing cannabis and wholesale it at $50 per pound and still make more than he is selling tomatoes at $1 per pound. Now how about $100-$500 pound wholesale? Think of all the true ag farmers ready to sign up for a shot at those numbers.

Now I know the argument that quality cannabis is much more difficult to grow and produce than tomatoes. I believe that's mostly a myth. Part of the problem is the industry is very insular and canna growers normally don't have formal agricultural training and get all their growing info from industry targeted hydroponic companies. The cost of fertilizers, amendments etc is very cheap for real farmers who deal with agriculture suppliers.

 

[a mongo frog]

I've done quite a bit of research into the tomato model and figure the ultimate wholesale price of cannabis could fall as low as the ~$50/lb area. Tomatoes sell for ~$1/lb wholesale, and their are farmers making money at that price. Tomato plants grown in greenhouse or outdoor produce ~20-30 lbs per plant. Figure cannabis greenhouse or outdoor averages ~1 lb per plant. So 20-30:1. A tomato farmer could switch to growing cannabis and wholesale it at $50 per pound and still make more than he is selling tomatoes at $1 per pound. Now how about $100-$500 pound wholesale? Think of all the true ag farmers ready to sign up for a shot at those numbers.

Now I know the argument that quality cannabis is much more difficult to grow and produce than tomatoes. I believe that's mostly a myth. Part of the problem is the industry is very insular and canna growers normally don't have formal agricultural training and get all their growing info from industry targeted hydroponic companies. The cost of fertilizers, amendments etc is very cheap for real farmers who deal with agriculture suppliers.

So when will the ag farmers break out the lights for this project? Or will the sun shine on them and their out door every day of the year?

 

[kelly1376]

So when will the ag farmers break out the lights for this project? Or will the sun shine on them and their out door every day of the year?

Ag doesn't just mean pure outdoor. Greenhouses with supplemental lighting are already used for every crop imaginable, their technology is rapidly improving, and it takes a lot less supplemental light one might initially think to grow in most places.

https://www.extension.purdue.edu/extmedia/ho/ho-238-w.pdf

The chart on page 2 is very informative. A daily light integral of 10 (about the lowest outside lighting ever gets anywhere in the U.S. in the winter) is comparable to growing under t5s indoors. A DLI of 15 is about equivalent to 400 HPS and 20 is comparable to 600 HPS indoors. Natural sunlight works in most places the majority of the year already, but with a market like cannabis there's plenty of profit potential (even at what some might consider low prices) to install good supplemental lighting. A 2000 square foot greenhouse in a cold climate could install 20 gavitas (1 per 100 square foot) and probably boost DLI by 10 points. The pure indoor grower would use those same gavitas in only a 250 square foot area.

 

[Yodaweed]

I've done quite a bit of research into the tomato model and figure the ultimate wholesale price of cannabis could fall as low as the ~$50/lb area. Tomatoes sell for ~$1/lb wholesale, and their are farmers making money at that price. Tomato plants grown in greenhouse or outdoor produce ~20-30 lbs per plant. Figure cannabis greenhouse or outdoor averages ~1 lb per plant. So 20-30:1. A tomato farmer could switch to growing cannabis and wholesale it at $50 per pound and still make more than he is selling tomatoes at $1 per pound. Now how about $100-$500 pound wholesale? Think of all the true ag farmers ready to sign up for a shot at those numbers.

Now I know the argument that quality cannabis is much more difficult to grow and produce than tomatoes. I believe that's mostly a myth. Part of the problem is the industry is very insular and canna growers normally don't have formal agricultural training and get all their growing info from industry targeted hydroponic companies. The cost of fertilizers, amendments etc is very cheap for real farmers who deal with agriculture suppliers.

You are so right about fertilizers, so many still using bottled nutrients.

 

[a mongo frog]

price of cannabis could fall as low as the ~$50/lb area. Tomatoes sell for ~$1/lb wholesale, and their are farmers making money at that price.

I Wonder why cannabis didn't fall to 50 dollars per pound in Colorado or Washington State? Cannabis is selling for more then it has in years right now. Wonder whats happening.......

 

[kelly1376]

I Wonder why cannabis didn't fall to 50 dollars per pound in Colorado or Washington State? Cannabis is selling for more then it has in years right now. Wonder whats happening.......

It will take some time. Legal production is still in it's early infancy and both those states put severe limitations on production licenses. Oregon will be a better representation of what cannabis will look like in a full legal environment because they have more of a free market policy for producers. Give Oregon a few years and you'll have a better idea what cannabis will look like nationwide in a fully legal environment.

In Colorado the move towards lowering production costs is just getting started. The trend has been huge warehouse grows but people are starting to move towards huge greenhouse grows because they see they will need to lower production costs over time.

 

[Shugglet]

It will take some time. Legal production is still in it's early infancy and both those states put severe limitations on production licenses. Oregon will be a better representation of what cannabis will look like in a full legal environment because they have more of a free market policy for producers. Give Oregon a few years and you'll have a better idea what cannabis will look like nationwide in a fully legal environment.

In Colorado the move towards lowering production costs is just getting started. The trend has been huge warehouse grows but people are starting to move towards huge greenhouse grows because they see they will need to lower production costs over time.

Better hurry boys, in 20-30 years weed "could" be at $50/lb. I just wonder if weed will hit your price target before or after Tesla is the #1 auto producer in the US.

On the bright side, at those prices weed should literally be dirt cheap right? Also, in this scenario it doesnt sound like there will be much stopping anyone from growing plants anywhere outside, so...

Out of curiosity, what are prices like in places over in europe where it isnt illegal?

 

[Yodaweed]

Better hurry boys, in 20-30 years weed "could" be at $50/lb. I just wonder if weed will hit your price target before or after Tesla is the #1 auto producer in the US.

On the bright side, at those prices weed should literally be dirt cheap right? Also, in this scenario it doesnt sound like there will be much stopping anyone from growing plants anywhere outside, so...

Out of curiosity, what are prices like in places over in europe where it isnt illegal?

At those prices we would be buying weed from Walmart.

 

[since1991]

I've done quite a bit of research into the tomato model and figure the ultimate wholesale price of cannabis could fall as low as the ~$50/lb area. Tomatoes sell for ~$1/lb wholesale, and their are farmers making money at that price. Tomato plants grown in greenhouse or outdoor produce ~20-30 lbs per plant. Figure cannabis greenhouse or outdoor averages ~1 lb per plant. So 20-30:1. A tomato farmer could switch to growing cannabis and wholesale it at $50 per pound and still make more than he is selling tomatoes at $1 per pound. Now how about $100-$500 pound wholesale? Think of all the true ag farmers ready to sign up for a shot at those numbers.

Now I know the argument that quality cannabis is much more difficult to grow and produce than tomatoes. I believe that's mostly a myth. Part of the problem is the industry is very insular and canna growers normally don't have formal agricultural training and get all their growing info from industry targeted hydroponic companies. The cost of fertilizers, amendments etc is very cheap for real farmers who deal with agriculture suppliers.

Well said. Growers who think big ag and corporation's cannot grow true high quality are delusional in my opinion.

 

[since1991]

Better hurry boys, in 20-30 years weed "could" be at $50/lb. I just wonder if weed will hit your price target before or after Tesla is the #1 auto producer in the US.

On the bright side, at those prices weed should literally be dirt cheap right? Also, in this scenario it doesnt sound like there will be much stopping anyone from growing plants anywhere outside, so...

Out of curiosity, what are prices like in places over in europe where it isnt illegal?

Be ALOT sooner than that i would think. Soon as the feds reschedule cannabis (they will eventually) and Washington hammers out a legalization strategy as more states come on board. Its coming is all iam saying. Theres no way pound prices are staying in the low 4 digits as legalization progresses. Even high 3 digits. Just cannot.

 

[since1991]

Ag doesn't just mean pure outdoor. Greenhouses with supplemental lighting are already used for every crop imaginable, their technology is rapidly improving, and it takes a lot less supplemental light one might initially think to grow in most places.

https://www.extension.purdue.edu/extmedia/ho/ho-238-w.pdf

The chart on page 2 is very informative. A daily light integral of 10 (about the lowest outside lighting ever gets anywhere in the U.S. in the winter) is comparable to growing under t5s indoors. A DLI of 15 is about equivalent to 400 HPS and 20 is comparable to 600 HPS indoors. Natural sunlight works in most places the majority of the year already, but with a market like cannabis there's plenty of profit potential (even at what some might consider low prices) to install good supplemental lighting. A 2000 square foot greenhouse in a cold climate could install 20 gavitas (1 per 100 square foot) and probably boost DLI by 10 points. The pure indoor grower would use those same gavitas in only a 250 square foot area.

You have done your homework thats for sure.

 

[since1991]

I Wonder why cannabis didn't fall to 50 dollars per pound in Colorado or Washington State? Cannabis is selling for more then it has in years right now. Wonder whats happening.......

Because its fairly new and based off of variations of the old blackmarket model still. Give it time....more states going recreational (especially California and New York and the setups they choose) and Washington passing legalization laws....it wont be overnight. Its actually happening as we speak....prices falling in increments. Ive already heard prices of outdoor in Colorado being ridiculously low coming up. I dont know. Iam here in Michigan. Prices lower and lower. Iam not the sharpest knife in the drawer bit i damn sure fit in the drawer. We got some time left but.....

 

[Shugglet]

You guys dont think taxes will inflate the costs associated with it? Not to mention for it to be sold publicly it needs to be lab tested, does it not?

History has taught us, and is teaching us, this will be a loooong drawn out process. As long as the Feds refuse to play ball prices wont fall like described.