Deficiency? Newbie here and could use some help, 4-finger leaf?

Username85

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So, I really feel like I've got a deficiency happening here, but can't seem to get an overall consensus on what this issue is and I want to make sure I'm treating the correct issue. I believe ultimately it's a cal/mag issue, but would love to hear what as many of you think on this.
Background info: watering currently about once every 5 days-1 week water 1 week food-I've got an 18-18-21 or 2-2-2 mix at home and was told to stick with the 2-2-2-she's flowering already-the container is about 12" x 12" and the plant is about 16". Earlier on I dealt with some thrips and treated with insecticidal soap, which got rid of the buggers thankfully. Around this time I noticed lower leaves turning yellow and wilting very quickly and moving upwards. Some of my newer growth looks to have brown spots on the tips. So first with the yellowing I was thinking Nitrogen deficiency, which I corrected for, but the leaves on the bottom didn't fall off on their own-actually had to be cut off. The spots made me think nute burn. I've also noticed a few crumpled looking leaves here and there and a bunch of these 4 finger leaves. Some of the leaves are still yellowing, but much slower (is this the resulting damage from before). Last thing I've noticed is some of the stems look a bit purple. I've read up on these issues and for one reason or another cant place the issue-seems like nitrogen def, but a few symptoms are atypical-doesn't seem like a straight cal issue, no bugs, I'm just confused and don't want to hurt her further.

She is ready for a watering tomorrow and would love to know if I should add any cal/mag. Thanks for any tips/opinions.
 

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Username85

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I could be wrong but it looks like overwatering
I'm pretty sure I was overwatering or a bit. About 3 weeks ago I changed to my current watering schedule. Just wasn't positive from what I read about overwatering if that was the case here; I was thinking the claw/crumbly leaves, and brown spot tips were a nutrient issue.
 

Username85

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what sort of compost are you using, are you ph ing your water, i take it its growing outside
Yeah it's been outside since she popped-around the end of May. This is my first plant and didn't know how to go about proper composting. I used a MG all purpose garden soil, but have periodically poked holes in the soil to help aeration . Ph testing is one thing I haven't done, I let the water sit for at least 24hrs before using.
 

bobtokes

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Yeah it's been outside since she popped-around the end of May. This is my first plant and didn't know how to go about proper composting. I used a MG all purpose garden soil, but have periodically poked holes in the soil to help aeration . Ph testing is one thing I haven't done, I let the water sit for at least 24hrs before using.
you could do with getting a ph meter to ph your feeds/watering at around 6.5 as that could be causing probs
the brown tips are caused by nute burn
 

Username85

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you could do with getting a ph meter to ph your feeds/watering at around 6.5 as that could be causing probs
the brown tips are caused by nute burn
I'm going to work on getting a ph meter, as for the feeding should I stick with a 2-2-2 at this point?
 

Username85

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Exactly what I thought....wtf kind of dirt is that?

How big is that pot? 3 gallon 5 gallon? the stalk looks pretty thick.
Pretty low quality I'm sure-it's an all purpose MG garden soil-when I got to Home Depot I was basically lost trying to find an appropriate soil-this being my very first plant I was thinking simple is best. The container doesn't say how big, but it's about 12" tall and 12" across and the plant is about 16". I did get a bigger pot (must be easily a 5 gallon), but was worried transferring the far along might stress her out. Someone gave me a good suggestion for a compost mix next time around. I believe she has a good thick stem, but not certain-don't have much to compare with.
 

Username85

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Just removed this base, feel like it might've been causing an issue (?) It doesn't have any holes, but the way it connects to the container allows for drainage. It did leave probably about 1" of water for the roots to feed. Am I better off without it on or just poke a bunch of holes and put back?
 

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bobtokes

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i would back off the nutes a bit because of the burnt tips, the 4 fingered leaves could be a genetic thing or something went wrong when it germinated, if i crack 20 seeds i usually get at least 1 mutant
Just removed this base, feel like it might've been causing an issue (?) It doesn't have any holes, but the way it connects to the container allows for drainage. It did leave probably about 1" of water for the roots to feed. Am I better off without it on or just poke a bunch of holes and put back?
this is just a saucer to catch the run off its doing no harm
 

Username85

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i would back off the nutes a bit because of the burnt tips, the 4 fingered leaves could be a genetic thing or something went wrong when it germinated, if i crack 20 seeds i usually get at least 1 mutant

this is just a saucer to catch the run off its doing no harm
Thanks for the input Bobtokes-I'll definitely cut back and see how she does. I didn't know mutations were that common, good to know.
 
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