'Why we hate you': ISIS reveal 6 reasons why they despise Westerners

[Padawanbater2]

Right, so you want me to define what Sharia Law is without using any definitions that already describe it.. How does that work exactly? How would you define Sharia Law in your own words?

Pew conducted a survey, the overwhelming majority of Muslims surveyed outside Europe and a handful of other places favor making Sharia Law the official law in their country. Are you arguing that what I'm referring to as 'Sharia Law' here is different from what a Muslim surveyed by Pew believes it is?

 

[londonfog]

Right, so you want me to define what Sharia Law is without using any definitions that already describe it.. How does that work exactly? How would you define Sharia Law in your own words?

Pew conducted a survey, the overwhelming majority of Muslims surveyed outside Europe and a handful of other places favor making Sharia Law the official law in their country. Are you arguing that what I'm referring to as 'Sharia Law' here is different from what a Muslim surveyed by Pew believes it is?

Sharia law in my own words is a way of life that is followed according to Islam and the Quran. What Muslim countries have you been to.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Sharia law in my own words is a way of life that is followed according to Islam and the Quran. What Muslim countries have you been to.

No, it's a system of laws, not a way of life. If it was simply a way of life, it wouldn't be against the Constitution to implement here in America. It replaces common law with religious law.

I've never been to a Muslim country

 

[londonfog]

No, it's a system of laws, not a way of life. If it was simply a way of life, it wouldn't be against the Constitution to implement here in America. It replaces common law with religious law.

I've never been to a Muslim country

Nuff said

 

[Padawanbater2]

Nuff said

You can't argue with the content of my post. Me ever having been to a Muslim country is irrelevant to the fact that in the study Pew conducted, most Muslims surveyed said they favored making Sharia Law the official law in their country. Sharia Law, not common law

This lends credibility to the larger point that these people get these beliefs and ideas directly from the Quran and Hadith in exactly the same way fundamentalist Christians get their beliefs and ideas from the Bible

 

[londonfog]

You can't argue with the content of my post. Me ever having been to a Muslim country is irrelevant to the fact that in the study Pew conducted, most Muslims surveyed said they favored making Sharia Law the official law in their country. Sharia Law, not common law

This lends credibility to the larger point that these people get these beliefs and ideas directly from the Quran and Hadith in exactly the same way fundamentalist Christians get their beliefs and ideas from the Bible

you never have been around Muslims to know what the fuck you are talking about. You can only go by what you heard. Let me know when you have visited a Muslim country and sat down and talk with a true Muslim.
Until then you can have this conversation with @schuylaar . Should be interesting to watch

 

[Ace Yonder]

nope. you narrowed the scope so that it is a tautology now. which, while true, is uninteresting.

jihadist = islamic militant

"if all muslim militants are muslim, but only some muslims are muslim militants, it doesn't mean that muslim militants are not muslims. but it does mean that without muslims there would be no muslim militants."

terrorism would exist even without religion. terrorism is politically based as well. as long as politics exist, there will be terrorism.

i stand by "does not follow".

Murder would still exist without guns, but there would certainly be less of it. Terrorist would still exist without religion, but the vast majority of terrorism is religiously motivated. Most domestic terrorism in the US is based on extremist Christian ideology, most terrorism in the Middle East is based on Islamic Ideology. Do you really have a plethora of examples of terrorism that was in no way religiously motivated? Got a long list of terrorist acts carried out in the name of Atheism? Because honestly I can't think of any. Religion is uniquely capable of allowing people to sacrifice their own lives to further their ideological ends because it emphasizes the unimportant of mortal life. Most people will not do things that will necessarily cause their own death because living is the biggest imperative. The cold war was ended using this principal through MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction), the idea that no one would initiate a war that they themselves were guaranteed to die in. People who truly believe that upon their death they will be rewarded for eternity lose their fear of death, or at least it becomes a factor that can no longer reliably shape their behavior and prevent them from sacrificing their own life to cause harm to others. Religion is the only thing that can convince people that by sacrificing themselves in the name of God their lives will not only continue for eternity, but continue for eternity in paradise.

 

[Ace Yonder]

you never have been around Muslims to know what the fuck you are talking about. You can only go by what you heard. Let me know when you have visited a Muslim country and sat down and talk with a true Muslim.
Until then you can have this conversation with @schuylaar . Should be interesting to watch

Well you can talk to me, I've spent considerable time in Indonesia, which if you weren't aware is a VERY Muslim country. On top of that, my brother, his wife, and their kids are all Muslim. My family includes Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus, and one Atheist (me). I am not speaking out of ignorance, and I am not saying anything that I wouldn't say to their faces. I do not think all religious people are bad, but I do think that all religion is bad. And I know from first hand experience that while most Muslims do not support killing people for religious reasons, they are also, for the most part, unwilling to speak out against it or take any meaningful action to change it. They don't personally want them killed, but they agree that that is what God says to do, and they do nothing to change the fact that it happens. They are not willing to say that perhaps God was wrong about killing nonbelievers, and they are CERTAINLY unwilling to say that the Koran is the words of a fallible human and not the words of an infallible God. Much of this is due to the fact that it can actually be VERY dangerous for them to voice such opinions. They face the very real threat of physical violence for voicing any doubt about the correctness of any part of the religion. Atheist bloggers are hacked to death regularly in Bangladesh, and actions like that are supported, whether through vocal support or silent acquiescence, by the majority of "moderate" Muslims. To pretend this isn't true is to live life with blinders.

 

[Padawanbater2]

you never have been around Muslims to know what the fuck you are talking about. You can only go by what you heard. Let me know when you have visited a Muslim country and sat down and talk with a true Muslim.

I'm not the one who conducted the survey, Pew Research did, so your point is moot

"In other areas, however, there is less unity. For instance, a Pew Research Center survey of Muslims in 39 countries asked Muslims whether they want sharia law, a legal code based on the Quran and other Islamic scripture, to be the official law of the land in their country. Responses on this question vary widely. Nearly all Muslims in Afghanistan (99%) and most in Iraq (91%) and Pakistan (84%) support sharia law as official law. But in some other countries, especially in Eastern Europe and Central Asia – including Turkey (12%), Kazakhstan (10%) and Azerbaijan (8%) – relatively few favor the implementation of sharia law."

It's wrong to defend Islam in the same way it's wrong for Christians defend Christianity when one of their own murders an abortion doctor. They say that Christianity isn't to blame in the same way you say Islam isn't to blame.

 

[londonfog]

Well you can talk to me, I've spent considerable time in Indonesia, which if you weren't aware is a VERY Muslim country. On top of that, my brother, his wife, and their kids are all Muslim. My family includes Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus, and one Atheist (me). I am not speaking out of ignorance, and I am not saying anything that I wouldn't say to their faces. I do not think all religious people are bad, but I do think that all religion is bad. And I know from first hand experience that while most Muslims do not support killing people for religious reasons, they are also, for the most part, unwilling to speak out against it or take any meaningful action to change it. They don't personally want them killed, but they agree that that is what God says to do, and they do nothing to change the fact that it happens. They are not willing to say that perhaps God was wrong about killing nonbelievers, and they are CERTAINLY unwilling to say that the Koran is the words of a fallible human and not the words of an infallible God. Much of this is due to the fact that it can actually be VERY dangerous for them to voice such opinions. They face the very real threat of physical violence for voicing any doubt about the correctness of any part of the religion. Atheist bloggers are hacked to death regularly in Bangladesh, and actions like that are supported, whether through vocal support or silent acquiescence, by the majority of "moderate" Muslims. To pretend this isn't true is to live life with blinders.

I actually agree with you, but notice when people talk they don't say some Muslims...nope they group them all, which is stupid. ask an ignorant American what is Jihad and they would associate it with nothing but violence. True Islam knows this not to be true. For the record I'm agnostic.

 

[londonfog]

I'm not the one who conducted the survey, Pew Research did, so your point is moot

"In other areas, however, there is less unity. For instance, a Pew Research Center survey of Muslims in 39 countries asked Muslims whether they want sharia law, a legal code based on the Quran and other Islamic scripture, to be the official law of the land in their country. Responses on this question vary widely. Nearly all Muslims in Afghanistan (99%) and most in Iraq (91%) and Pakistan (84%) support sharia law as official law. But in some other countries, especially in Eastern Europe and Central Asia – including Turkey (12%), Kazakhstan (10%) and Azerbaijan (8%) – relatively few favor the implementation of sharia law."

It's wrong to defend Islam in the same way it's wrong for Christians defend Christianity when one of their own murders an abortion doctor. They say that Christianity isn't to blame in the same way you say Islam isn't to blame.

do you have any recipes to share with me ?

 

[Padawanbater2]

I actually agree with you, but notice when people talk they don't say some Muslims...nope they group them all, which is stupid. ask an ignorant American what is Jihad and they would associate it with nothing but violence. True Islam knows this not to be true. For the record I'm agnostic.

You're assuming "all Muslims"

If not from Islam, where does the motivation to wage holy war (jihad) on unbelievers come from?

 

[desert dude]

You're assuming "all Muslims"

If not from Islam, where does the motivation to wage holy war (jihad) on unbelievers come from?

From American Christians according to most progressives.

 

[Ace Yonder]

You're assuming "all Muslims"

If not from Islam, where does the motivation to wage holy war (jihad) on unbelievers come from?

That part of it is pretty ubiquitous to the Abrahamic religions. It comes from Deuteronomy 13, from the Old Testament

"If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” you must not listen to the words of that prophet The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. It is the Lord your God you must follow, Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.

If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again."

So not only does it tell you explicitly to kill nonbelievers even if they are your family, it explicitly says to do it in order to instill terror in others. It is literally a command to commit religious terrorism. It is present in some form in all 3 Abrahamic religions.

 

[Padawanbater2]

So not only does it tell you explicitly to kill nonbelievers even if they are your family, it explicitly says to do it in order to instill terror in others. It is literally a command to commit religious terrorism. It is present in some form in all 3 Abrahamic religions.

I agree. Modern Christians try to justify it by saying the OT is irrelevant since Jesus came back (except for that bit about hating homosexuals)

Why do you think the regressive left defends Islam as if it isn't?

 

[bundee1]

No. Ruining the lives of strangers based on a few ill-chosen words is despicable, but that is not why he is a certified snitch. He is a snitch because he stalks RIU members and reveals their personal information on the public forum. He is a snitch because he literally calls the police to report RIU members' participation on RIU. Maybe you are next?

Are you inured to it or is buck right when he says you're a skinhead wannabe cop?
Have you been to Northeast Philly South Jersey? I divorced a bitch from that area and got to know her racist ass sister very well not to mention the skinhead tweakers who lived across the street from her.

 

[Ace Yonder]

I agree. Modern Christians try to justify it by saying the OT is irrelevant since Jesus came back (except for that bit about hating homosexuals)

Why do you think the regressive left defends Islam as if it isn't?

Probably a backlash against the xenophobic and racist anti-Islam/anti-Arab propaganda that much of the right wing espouses. From a debate standpoint it is easier to take a position that is diametrically opposed to your opponent rather than take a position that might cede some key points to them right at the start. When you have people like Trump and Geert Wilders talking the crazy shit they do, it's hard to take a position that admits that ANY part of what they are saying might be right, it feels much better to just take the opposite stance on everything they say.

 

[Bugeye]

 

[schuylaar]

you never have been around Muslims to know what the fuck you are talking about. You can only go by what you heard. Let me know when you have visited a Muslim country and sat down and talk with a true Muslim.
Until then you can have this conversation with @schuylaar . Should be interesting to watch

I've not been to a Muslim country, however I have Muslim friends and acquaintances.

I do a lot of business in the Muslim community..they have many, many cell phone stores and kiosks.

Friends enough they buy me Christmas gifts

 

[londonfog]

I've not been to a Muslim country, however I have Muslim friends and acquaintances.

I do a lot of business in the Muslim community..they have many, many cell phone stores and kiosks.

Friends enough they buy me Christmas gifts

.the muslims? they're fucking insane with their religion and take it too far as they believe they're the chosen and everyone else should be them or dead.

you got to admit, muslims can be a pretty evil fucking people..

question: why didn't hitler include the muslims in his little tantrum? they are out to kill us all, right?

ignorant you are