'Why we hate you': ISIS reveal 6 reasons why they despise Westerners

[ttystikk]

1. Because you are disbelievers

"We hate you, first and foremost, because you are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah – whether you realize it or not – by making partners for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him, claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all manner of devilish practices."

2. Because you are liberal

"We hate you because your secular, liberal societies permit the very things that Allah has prohibited while banning many of the things He has permitted, a matter that doesn’t concern you because you Christian disbelief and paganism separate between religion and state, thereby granting supreme authority to your whims and desires via the legislators you vote into power."

3. Because some of you are atheist

"In the case of the atheist fringe, we hate you and wage war against you because you disbelieve in the existence of your Lord and Creator."

4. For your crimes against Islam

"We hate you for your crimes against Islam and wage war against you to punish you for your transgressions against our religion."

5. For your crimes against Muslims

"We hate you for your crimes against the Muslims; your drones and fighter jets bomb, kill, and maim our people around the world, and your puppets in the usurped lands of the Muslims oppress, torture, and wage war against anyone who calls to the truth."

6. For invading our lands

"We hate you for invading our lands and fight you to repel you and drive you out. As long as there is an inch of territory left for us to reclaim, jihad will continue to be a personal obligation on every single Muslim."

The article concludes that while foreign policy is an issue, the main reason they are hell bent on destruction is because they don't like the West very much.

It reads: "What’s important to understand here is that although some might argue that your foreign policies are the extent of what drives our hatred, this particular reason for hating you is secondary, hence the reason we addressed it at the end of the above list.

"The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary reason for hating you will not cease to exist until you embrace Islam."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/why-hate-you-isis-reveal-8533563

Seems reasonable.

I mean, just because someone has never heard of ISIS, or Islam, it's still okay to wage war and kill them- even in direct contravention of the edict in the Koran AGAINST exactly such behavior.

Makes perfect sense!

 

[The-Budster]

People are whatever they call themselves. If someone claims to be a Muslim, Christian, Jew, etc., I'm inclined to believe them

You're using a common logical fallacy called 'No True Scotsman';

Person A: No Christian kills
Person B: What about Anders Breivik or the Ku Klux Klan?
Person A: No true Christian kills

These people commit their actions based on their faith. It is their faith that caused them to commit the actions. They were Christian when they were murdering people "in the name of God", they're still Christian after.

If you take issue with charlatans within your Christian midst, it's the responsibility of other Christians to condemn them for their beliefs which you believe makes them 'no true Christian' before they commit an action unbecoming of a Christian. Peter Popoff, Creflo Dollar, Jim Bakker, Benny Hinn, Pat Robertson, and dozens if not hundreds of others steal money from old, gullible people knocking on death's door because thterrified of their own mortality. Where are all the Christians who condemn them? Where are the Christians condemning Donald Trump for supporting torture and committing war crimes against the family members of terrorists?

With that logic then I can call myself an Elephant.

I do not look like one, I am never seen with other Elephants and I do not behave like one.

You cannot say I am not an Elephant though as I have identified myself as a Giant African Elephant and you have no right to say I am not a true Elephant.

These people do not follow the teachings it is a fact. The teachings say don't kill, they do kill. They therefore no longer can fit in the group of people that DO follow the teachings.

Anyway you are right in that people should condemn the acts. However it should be humanity as a collective not the unlinked religious group.

Breivik for instance. If you go to an Island and fucking machine gun children. You are a fucking horrible person. Period. I don't get why you are suggesting that all christians who do follow correctly should condemn it and give explanation as this is totally unrelated to their beliefs.

That suggests that if they don't then they support it which is mental as it was never in aggreement of their beliefs in the first place.

 

[Ace Yonder]

It is irrelevant, hence the reason for the new testaments exsitence.

The Old testament is only there to understand who Jesus is. Prophecies and such.

Jesus says many times not to kill. Because Moses stated hundreds and hundreds of years before Jesus and his teachings to kill that does in no way tie to Jesus's message.

Moses says kill= jews think the should kill.

Jesus says not to kill= understanding christians think not to kill.

Jesus says not to kill but still go ahead anyway according to old testament rules= anyone who does not understand or follow Jesus

No, sorry, your have misunderstood the new testament. Firstly (Unless you are Unitarian) Jesus and God are one and the same, so the Old Testament was ALSO the word of Jesus, so everything said in the Old Testament is also said by Jesus (Because God wrote the Old Testament and Jesus is God). Secondly, the gospels reiterate over and over that the Old Testament is the Law, and is not subject to change. The New Testament states over and over that the Old Testament is still in full effect.

"Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

5:19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

"Luke 16:17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for one dot of the Law to become void."

"2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

3:17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

 

[Ace Yonder]

With that logic then I can call myself an Elephant.

I do not look like one, I am never seen with other Elephants and I do not behave like one.

You cannot say I am not an Elephant though as I have identified myself as a Giant African Elephant and you have no right to say I am not a true Elephant.

These people do not follow the teachings it is a fact. The teachings say don't kill, they do kill. They therefore no longer can fit in the group of people that DO follow the teachings.

Anyway you are right in that people should condemn the acts. However it should be humanity as a collective not the unlinked religious group.

Breivik for instance. If you go to an Island and fucking machine gun children. You are a fucking horrible person. Period. I don't get why you are suggesting that all christians who do follow correctly should condemn it and give explanation as this is totally unrelated to their beliefs.

That suggests that if they don't then they support it which is mental as it was never in aggreement of their beliefs in the first place.

You are using false equivalency. Being an elephant is not subjective, it is an objective fact. Religion is a personal, subjective thing. I could just as easily say that you are not a true Christian because you have not followed each and every law set down in both the New and Old Testaments. But what really matters is what you consider yourself to be. You are a Human, that can't change with your ideas, but what religion you are CAN change with your ideas. See the difference?

Also, as I have pointed out, both religions DO command people to kill. The Bible says not to MURDER, which is unlawful killing, but it command people to kill in the name of God quite often, as I have already quoted multiple times.

 

[The-Budster]

No, sorry, your have misunderstood the new testament. Firstly (Unless you are Unitarian) Jesus and God are one and the same, so the Old Testament was ALSO the word of Jesus, so everything said in the Old Testament is also said by Jesus (Because God wrote the Old Testament and Jesus is God). Secondly, the gospels reiterate over and over that the Old Testament is the Law, and is not subject to change. The New Testament states over and over that the Old Testament is still in full effect.

"Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

5:18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

5:19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

"Luke 16:17 But it is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for one dot of the Law to become void."

"2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

3:17 so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

The 10 commandments.

One of them is you shouldn't kill.

So Jesus is just saying that still applies.

 

[Ace Yonder]

The 10 commandments.

One of them is you shouldn't kill.

So Jesus is just saying that still applies.

No, one of them is you should't commit Murder, which is unlawful (not sanctioned by God) killing. It Specifically states there are many situations where God compels you to kill and it is lawful and therefore not murder. As a matter of fact, it says to kill people who break any of the commandments that come before it (Which are mostly about appeasing a jealous God)

 

[The-Budster]

You are using false equivalency. Being an elephant is not subjective, it is an objective fact. Religion is a personal, subjective thing. I could just as easily say that you are not a true Christian because you have not followed each and every law set down in both the New and Old Testaments. But what really matters is what you consider yourself to be. You are a Human, that can't change with your ideas, but what religion you are CAN change with your ideas. See the difference?

Also, as I have pointed out, both religions DO command people to kill. The Bible says not to MURDER, which is unlawful killing, but it command people to kill in the name of God quite often, as I have already quoted multiple times.

Being Christian has certain requirements. Follow the word of Jesus, if you don't do that you are not Christian.

With your logic then. I could live 80 years as a Christian to the tee. On my 81st Birthday I change to the Prince Philip Movement.

5 minutes after that I slaughter anyone in my path and cause mayhem.

Should the Prince Philip Movement need to condemn that?

I was only a follower for 5 minutes, yet I identified as one. Am I a true Prince Philip Movementee?

Nah just a nutcase who used to be Christian but lost it at 81 and the news had to link something to my actions.

 

[The-Budster]

No, one of them is you should't commit Murder, which is unlawful (not sanctioned by God) killing. It Specifically states there are many situations where God compels you to kill and it is lawful and therefore not murder. As a matter of fact, it says to kill people who break any of the commandments that come before it (Which are mostly about appeasing a jealous God)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20&version=KJV

Verse 13. Can't be simpler.

 

[Padawanbater2]

The 10 commandments.

One of them is you shouldn't kill.

So Jesus is just saying that still applies.

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." -Matthew 10:34

 

[Ace Yonder]

Being Christian has certain requirements. Follow the word of Jesus, if you don't do that you are not Christian.

With your logic then. I could live 80 years as a Christian to the tee. On my 81st Birthday I change to the Prince Philip Movement.

5 minutes after that I slaughter anyone in my path and cause mayhem.

Should the Prince Philip Movement need to condemn that?

I was only a follower for 5 minutes, yet I identified as one. Am I a true Prince Philip Movementee?

Nah just a nutcase who used to be Christian but lost it at 81 and the news had to link something to my actions.

Again with the false equivalencies. The fact is, you don't really know all that much about Christianity, you just have your own little version that you like to think is the only version, and you stay in your little sheltered world and refuse to confront actual facts with anything other than absurd false equivalencies. Just shut up and listen, you might actually learn something.

 

[The-Budster]

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." -Matthew 10:34

You have mistaken the meaning. Unsure if you have read the Bible or just googled quotes??

Anyway this meerly means that Jesus was stating that by following him there might be hurt to them. As fathers will turn against their sons and mothers against daughters.

He is not encouraging violence only warning that it will happen to his followers for taking the faith in his name.

Here; this is a more literal mention of a sword in the same book

Matthew 26:52King James Version (KJV)
52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

 

[The-Budster]

Again with the false equivalencies. The fact is, you don't really know all that much about Christianity, you just have your own little version that you like to think is the only version, and you stay in your little sheltered world and refuse to confront actual facts with anything other than absurd false equivalencies. Just shut up and listen, you might actually learn something.

Keep posting your opinions as FACTS its amazing.

 

[bundee1]

I actually tried to talk her down. Oher people probably didnt see it.

You actually did try. Respect.

 

[Padawanbater2]

You have mistaken the meaning. Unsure if you have read the Bible or just googled quotes??

Anyway this meerly means that Jesus was stating that by following him there might be hurt to them. As fathers will turn against their sons and mothers against daughters.

He is not encouraging violence only warning that it will happen to his followers for taking the faith in his name.

Here; this is a more literal mention of a sword in the same book

Matthew 26:52King James Version (KJV)
52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

You illustrate the problem inherent in religion perfectly

You can interpret religious texts to suit whatever agenda you want, just like Christians who murder abortion doctors can justify it with the bible, just like the KKK justified subjugating black people using the bible, just like ISIS can justify terrorism using the Quran

You can justify anything if you believe you're ordained by God, even killing your own son (Abraham & Isaac)

 

[potroastV2]

When I was young the Catholics could not eat meat on Friday, and many of the Catholic Churches had a Fish Fry every Friday.

Then someone changed the rules, and Catholics could eat meat on Friday!

No more Fish Fry.

 

[The-Budster]

You illustrate the problem inherent in religion perfectly

You can interpret religious texts to suit whatever agenda you want, just like Christians who murder abortion doctors can justify it with the bible, just like the KKK justified subjugating black people using the bible, just like ISIS can justify terrorism using the Quran

You can justify anything if you believe you're ordained by God, even killing your own son (Abraham & Isaac)

So are atheists killers as bad?

Just wondering as you seem to suggest that it is the teachings that have caused these people to do this. When it really isnt.

All people have freedom of choice. You can put me in a room with Quran for 20 years and then release me. I will still not follow the book. Nobody is forcing these people to take on these fucked up interpretations.

These people were fucked before opening the book you just seem to actually believe a book has controlled a persons actions.

 

[Ace Yonder]

Leviticus 19 (the same passage they cite when they say homosexuality is an abomination) also says:
"Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed.
Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.
...
When you enter the land and plant any kind of fruit tree, regard its fruit as forbidden. For three years you are to consider it forbidden; it must not be eaten.24 In the fourth year all its fruit will be holy an offering of praise to the Lord. But in the fifth year you may eat its fruit. In this way your harvest will be increased. I am the Lord your God.
...
Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard.
Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the Lord.
...
Keep all my decrees and follow them. I am the Lord."
There are a lot more. But basically, the people who think Gays are going to hell should also know they they will be joining them in hell if they have ever planted multiple plants in one field, worn clothing with more than one kind of fabric, cut their hair or shaved their beards, gotten a tattoo, or eaten fruit from a tree they planted less than 5 years ago (or forgotten to give all of year 4's fruit as an offering to God).
Hell is gonna be PACKED.

 

[OddBall1st]

You illustrate the problem inherent in religion perfectly

You can interpret religious texts to suit whatever agenda you want, just like Christians who murder abortion doctors can justify it with the bible, just like the KKK justified subjugating black people using the bible, just like ISIS can justify terrorism using the Quran

You can justify anything if you believe you're ordained by God, even killing your own son (Abraham & Isaac)

You cannot make justice with the Bible.

Faith has no mass.

Nothing can be done in God`s name so anything claimed is phony, right off the bat.

 

[Ace Yonder]

So are atheists killers as bad?

Just wondering as you seem to suggest that it is the teachings that have caused these people to do this. When it really isnt.

All people have freedom of choice. You can put me in a room with Quran for 20 years and then release me. I will still not follow the book. Nobody is forcing these people to take on these fucked up interpretations.

These people were fucked before opening the book you just seem to actually believe a book has controlled a persons actions.

Name a couple atheist mass murderers.

 

[Ace Yonder]

So are atheists killers as bad?

Just wondering as you seem to suggest that it is the teachings that have caused these people to do this. When it really isnt.

All people have freedom of choice. You can put me in a room with Quran for 20 years and then release me. I will still not follow the book. Nobody is forcing these people to take on these fucked up interpretations.

These people were fucked before opening the book you just seem to actually believe a book has controlled a persons actions.

You tell people "This book is the word of God". You tell it to children, who have no capacity to know their parents are lying or wrong, you tell people who are at their lowest points, who are the most vulnerable. Some people are too mentally unsound, or too young, or too stupid to realize how ridiculous that notion is, and they believe you. Then they read the book, which you have told them is written by an infallible God, and they find this:
"If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again."

And you think that this doesn't have an affect on people? Are you really that stupid? (Probably because you buy into the religion, but that's beside the point).