UncleBuck
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cool opinions, sistah.
i bet a lot of people take them real seriously after you tell them that you think the holocaust was a hoax.
so sorry about your tiny penis.
don't commit suicide.
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i bet a lot of people take them real seriously after you tell them that you think the holocaust was a hoax.
so sorry about your tiny penis.
don't commit suicide.
PCXV
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I will lay blame to them personslly but not the most basic principles of communism and atheism. The principles required for atheism and communism are not inherently immorral or command/support violence.
You are right, it wasnt twisted because it doesnt even connect logically to the actions of those dictators. There is no way to use communist or atheist ideology to justify murder; there is no way to misinterpret the tenants/definition of atheism or communism.
How can a lack of a beleif in a god (atheism), or the government system where government controls the means of production (communism) be interpreted to mean kill people? It cant. I have asked you to specify how it could but you cannot.
The Bible and the Koran do both contain examples of immoral killing, as far as i can tell, which means at the very least that the texts are prone to being misinterpreted to support immorral behavior (murder).
Christianity being pacifist is heavily debated, and if you look at all murder done by Christians throughout history it is not hard to understand why people would question it. I think that there are certain denominations that have modeled their interpretations to be pacifist, either by editing or ommitting or ignoring certain parts of the text. I commend that. But there are also examples of the opposite and the original authors of the books of the old and new testament did inject immoralities into the doctrine. The Bible has been revised over a dozen times since it was compiled by the Catholic Church, each time being updated to match progressing morality and enlightenment.
SneekyNinja
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Christians are all wankers.
The-Budster
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1928–41)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union
They managed to kill many people through their disbelief in God and the attempt to force all to do the same. They used their Government system to enforce this rule and ultimately kill those who did not want to share the same beliefs.
Lord Kanti
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How else do you think our plants grow so well? That's not just compost tea in the reservoir...
The-Budster
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I seen that in an apocalyptic movie once....it did make me wonder haaha
Lord Kanti
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Do go on the cite the new testament where Jesus instructs his followers to kill in an immoral fashion. If you're only able to cite from the old testament, then leave Christians out of your rantings. If you can only cite Jewish and Muslim sources, then keep label them as such.
UncleBuck
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what part of the new testament instructs you guys to hate gays so much?
you know they have done scientific studies (sorry, no fake zombies involved) about homophobes like you guys.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8772014
Is homophobia associated with homosexual arousal?
Adams HE1, Wright LW Jr, Lohr BA.
Author information
Abstract
The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n = 35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual, and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss & M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression. Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.
hey budster, does the holocaust denial keep you from focusing on your latent homosexuality?
what is it like to be a closeted homosexual?
PCXV
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How did they do it through their disbeleif? That makes no sense. Killing in the name of atheism would mean you are killing in the name of nothing. Just think about what ive written instead of knee-jerk defense responses.
OddBall1st
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He acted out of evil, and that`s why the doctrine was penned.
OddBall1st
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You thought that up all by yourself, Didn`t you ?
I don`t pay attention to .. "likes" or give them out, they have little value and I could care less if they exist.
I don`t like pretzels. but I love milk chocolate.
OddBall1st
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Christianity is a faith it costs no money and you cannot point at it unless you stand in front of Jesus Christ himself. The Bible is a story that tells of the past, you alone decide how you will follow it`s advise. You must die to find out if you made the right choices.
PCXV
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Wtf?
PCXV
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The laws and police procedural policies were penned because that cop acted out of evil? Again, wtf are you talking about. I think you might have lost the context or maybe miscomprehended?
PCXV
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I am basing my claim on what ive read, if you can prove otherwise ill listen. i wont claim to be an expert in theology. Here are the examples of the new testament condoning violence:
Luke 19:27:
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Matthew 10:34:
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
And examples from the New Testament where the Old Testament is affirmed as the law of God:
"Jesus believed that the Old Testament was divinely inspired, the veritable Word of God. He said, ‘The Scripture cannot be broken’ (John 10:35). He referred to Scripture as ‘the commandment of God’ (Matthew 15:3) and as the ‘Word of God’ (Mark 7:13). He also indicated that it was indestructible: ‘Until Heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the law, until all is accomplished’ (Matthew 5:18)."
http://www.bethinking.org/bible/q-how-did-jesus-view-the-old-testament
Lord Kanti
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•Quoting a character from a parable and not even offering your take on the meaning? That's the best you can do?
•Being a Christian won't be easy and will often put people at odds with another, even family members.
•Jesus called for his followers to love one another as he loved. Matthew 5:38-48 is a small example. He also stated that to lust is the same as adultery, that hate is murder. He set the bar so high above what is stated in the old testament that the only way to overcome is through salvation and forgiveness.
The old testament was to be fulfilled with the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
It's interesting how the hadith has clear cut examples of Mohammad himself murdering and instructing others to murder and lie, yet here we are picking through the new testament with a fine tooth comb to somehow give a shred of credibility to fundamentalist Islam.
"So what if Islamists blow people up?! Jesus mentioned bringing a sword!!! No, I don't think he ever actually did bring a sword, and yeah, he healed that one guy's ear after it got hacked off, but STILL!"
Flaming Pie
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socalcoolmx
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He's legit read and listen to what he has to say and make up your own mind
https://www.nyfa.edu/student-resources/top-12-influential-journalists-today/
PCXV
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Not the best i can do obviously as far as finding examples in the NT. Those examples i pulled right from this thread. Im not saying you are wrong, just that i probably wont be convinced until i get more information.
But im more interested in the third part which is how the New Covenant type of interpretation you just offered is at odds with the page i cited. It seems the new testament doesnt replace the old testament but rather supplement it according to some of those verses and of course in terms of fulfilling prophecy. You seem eager to write off the OT but im not sure most Christians would agree, many still quote it to describe Christian morality (on homosexuality for example).
The topic is Christianity, the question in my mind is if it is a benign, non-violent religion in its doctrine and common practice. Christians today and throughout the past have committed violence for the cause of Christianity. My question is what share of the motivation comes from the doctrine, from the culture, and from other factors.
I dont feel the need to constantly barrage Islam but it should be obvious that i would view it as much worse than Christianity by the standards ive described.
Ace Yonder
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Figured it would be worth leaving this here.
"STALIN
Of these three characters, Stalin was the only confirmed atheist, yet Hitchens thoroughly dealt with the religious nature of Stalin’s dictatorship in a manner that has left religious apologists without sufficient reply. Notwithstanding the fact that Stalin was raised as a Christian under the religious influence of his mother, who enrolled him in seminary school, and that Stalin later took it upon himself to study for the priesthood, as Hitchens and others have pointed out, Stalin merely stepped into a ready-made religious tyranny, constructed by the Russian Orthodox Church and paved with the teachings of St. Paul.
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. Romans 13:1-2
Such teachings were the inspirational well from which the Russian Orthodox Church drew their justifications to support this new Tsar, causing the more sensible fringe of the Church to flee to the United States in contravention of St. Paul’s teachings.
Here then, the central premise of Hitchens’ argument is worthy of reiteration. Had Stalin inherited a purely rational secular edifice, one established upon the ethos espoused by the likes of Lucretius, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Einstein and other free thinking and rational secularists, then the apologist’s argument would hold slightly more weight, but such wasn’t the case. Stalin merely tore the existing religious labels off the Christian Inquisition, the enforcement of Christian orthodoxy, the Crusades, the praising of the priesthood, messianism, and Edenic ideas of a terrestrial religious-styled utopia, and re-branded them with the red of communism. Had this Christian machine not been in place, then it is more than likely Stalin wouldn’t have had the vehicle he needed to succeed in causing so much suffering in the name of his godless religion, Communism.
To quote Hitchens:
For Joseph Stalin, who had trained to be a priest in a seminary in Georgia, the whole thing was ultimately a question of power. “How many divisions,” he famously and stupidly inquired, “has the pope?” (The true answer to his boorish sarcasm was, “More than you think.”) Stalin then pedantically repeated the papal routine of making science conform to dogma, by insisting that the shaman and charlatan Trofim Lysenko had disclosed the key to genetics and promised extra harvests of specially inspired vegetables. (Millions of innocents died of gnawing internal pain as a consequence of this “revelation.”) This Caesar unto whom all things were dutifully rendered took care, as his regime became a more nationalist and statist one, to maintain at least a puppet church that could attach its traditional appeal to his. [28]"
https://michaelsherlockauthor.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/the-atheist-atrocities-fallacy-hitler-stalin-pol-pot-in-memory-of-christopher-hitchens/
"STALIN
Of these three characters, Stalin was the only confirmed atheist, yet Hitchens thoroughly dealt with the religious nature of Stalin’s dictatorship in a manner that has left religious apologists without sufficient reply. Notwithstanding the fact that Stalin was raised as a Christian under the religious influence of his mother, who enrolled him in seminary school, and that Stalin later took it upon himself to study for the priesthood, as Hitchens and others have pointed out, Stalin merely stepped into a ready-made religious tyranny, constructed by the Russian Orthodox Church and paved with the teachings of St. Paul.
Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. Romans 13:1-2
Such teachings were the inspirational well from which the Russian Orthodox Church drew their justifications to support this new Tsar, causing the more sensible fringe of the Church to flee to the United States in contravention of St. Paul’s teachings.
Here then, the central premise of Hitchens’ argument is worthy of reiteration. Had Stalin inherited a purely rational secular edifice, one established upon the ethos espoused by the likes of Lucretius, Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Einstein and other free thinking and rational secularists, then the apologist’s argument would hold slightly more weight, but such wasn’t the case. Stalin merely tore the existing religious labels off the Christian Inquisition, the enforcement of Christian orthodoxy, the Crusades, the praising of the priesthood, messianism, and Edenic ideas of a terrestrial religious-styled utopia, and re-branded them with the red of communism. Had this Christian machine not been in place, then it is more than likely Stalin wouldn’t have had the vehicle he needed to succeed in causing so much suffering in the name of his godless religion, Communism.
To quote Hitchens:
For Joseph Stalin, who had trained to be a priest in a seminary in Georgia, the whole thing was ultimately a question of power. “How many divisions,” he famously and stupidly inquired, “has the pope?” (The true answer to his boorish sarcasm was, “More than you think.”) Stalin then pedantically repeated the papal routine of making science conform to dogma, by insisting that the shaman and charlatan Trofim Lysenko had disclosed the key to genetics and promised extra harvests of specially inspired vegetables. (Millions of innocents died of gnawing internal pain as a consequence of this “revelation.”) This Caesar unto whom all things were dutifully rendered took care, as his regime became a more nationalist and statist one, to maintain at least a puppet church that could attach its traditional appeal to his. [28]"
https://michaelsherlockauthor.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/the-atheist-atrocities-fallacy-hitler-stalin-pol-pot-in-memory-of-christopher-hitchens/