Your Grandpa's Weed or is UV supplementation really needed?

RM3

RM3

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Church, Church, Church, you simply do not have a clue brother. I will give ya big kudos with the math, but plants don't understand math and you even seem to know your way around nutes, much respect for good info I have seen you post. But you do not know light like I know light, you have not done the experiments I have done. And I have not once, not ever conned any one. The folks that I've taught are all growing better herb, ya just simply can not fuck with the Grandpa weed, but let's get back to lights ,,,,,,

Back in 2012 I ordered this light, now to share the link I had to use the wayback machine because the model I have has been replaced and this is cool, I paid $249 (my work gets a discount as we are an MCM dealer) for this 36 X 1 watt led light rated at 50 watts (total)

https://web.archive.org/web/20120802163807/http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/STELLAR-LABS-555-12635-/555-12635

Today its replacement product is a 36 X 3 watt led for $75 rated at 118 watts (total)

http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/LEDJ-LEDJ251-/555-27025

The cool part is how much the price has dropped in just 4 years 8)

But wait, it was a stage light not a grow light, (I play guitar) and the only info on spectrum was it was 5500K, no info on what brand leds were used, no info on what color bands they were in and I hard mounted it to my basement rafters, 5 feet above the canopy and grew this plant WITH 36 NO NAME ONE WATT LEDS

Just imagine what I could do with 240 3 watt (600 actual watts) leds 8)

Now the only reason that my garden wasn't covered by that light was cost as I figured to properly cover my space would take 5 or 6 of em. It was in fact right after this experiment I ordered my first T5 fixture ($130)

I love ya Church but you simply do not know what you are talkin about and when I get that light (and I will) I'll show you 8)
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MeGaKiLlErMaN

MeGaKiLlErMaN

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RM3 said:
Church, Church, Church, you simply do not have a clue brother. I will give ya big kudos with the math, but plants don't understand math and you even seem to know your way around nutes, much respect for good info I have seen you post. But you do not know light like I know light, you have not done the experiments I have done. And I have not once, not ever conned any one. The folks that I've taught are all growing better herb, ya just simply can not fuck with the Grandpa weed, but let's get back to lights ,,,,,,

Back in 2012 I ordered this light, now to share the link I had to use the wayback machine because the model I have has been replaced and this is cool, I paid $249 (my work gets a discount as we are an MCM dealer) for this 36 X 1 watt led light rated at 50 watts (total)

https://web.archive.org/web/20120802163807/http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/STELLAR-LABS-555-12635-/555-12635

Today its replacement product is a 36 X 3 watt led for $75 rated at 118 watts (total)

http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/LEDJ-LEDJ251-/555-27025

The cool part is how much the price has dropped in just 4 years 8)

But wait, it was a stage light not a grow light, (I play guitar) and the only info on spectrum was it was 5500K, no info on what brand leds were used, no info on what color bands they were in and I hard mounted it to my basement rafters, 5 feet above the canopy and grew this plant WITH 36 NO NAME ONE WATT LEDS

Just imagine what I could do with 240 3 watt (600 actual watts) leds 8)

Now the only reason that my garden wasn't covered by that light was cost as I figured to properly cover my space would take 5 or 6 of em. It was in fact right after this experiment I ordered my first T5 fixture ($130)

I love ya Church but you simply do not know what you are talkin about and when I get that light (and I will) I'll show you 8)
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What's your PPFD for you're area? If you like the light that's cool, but I would stay away from anything under the citi 1212 and they are $12 each so that's a good starter chip if you're worried about spending too much. The 1-5W diodes are not worth their weight in efficiency.
 
RM3

RM3

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MeGaKiLlErMaN said:
No but when a DE Gavida PRO 1000W puts out 600PPFD (ish) in a 4x4 at 24in... and something puts out a higher PPFD for the same area with less Watts... that means it has a higher output of par light... Not the PPF... Wattage doesnt effect output because you can get the same for around 500-600W. PPF is one spot that you measure PPFD is the whole area averaged out.
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Just had a friend do a side by side Gravita vs T5 and guess what the T5 side won 8)
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MeGaKiLlErMaN

MeGaKiLlErMaN

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RM3 said:
missed this (sorry) I've read similar things but as yet have found nothing that says why ?
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It's a defense responce ive read it many places I was just never sure on the dosage of the UVB. The goal is to make the plan protect it self(it does that by making crystals THC). It's all in the articles on page 3. But I'm just not sure until I see the results in my garden.
 
RM3

RM3

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MeGaKiLlErMaN said:
What's your PPFD for you're area? If you like the light that's cool, but I would stay away from anything under the citi 1212 and they are $12 each so that's a good starter chip if you're worried about spending too much. The 1-5W diodes are not worth their weight in efficiency.
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Could honestly care less, I grow via plant response,
 
MeGaKiLlErMaN

MeGaKiLlErMaN

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RM3 said:
Just had a friend do a side by side Gravita vs T5 and guess what the T5 side won 8)
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That doesn't surprise me in the least since a Gaveda puts out around 640PPFD in a 4x4 at 24" or so... It would make sense that a more even canopy would win out... And that's not hard to achieve. I'm planing on doing a side by side by side with HPS, DE HPS, and COBs... But I already know what will win and it's really easy to show.. I get my par meter today :)
 
RM3

RM3

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MeGaKiLlErMaN said:
He's a reCOBed man now lol. All I'm saying is that a 3-5W LED is less efficient than a standard HPS.
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Ya simply can not grow the grandpa weed with an HPS light, twas HPS that fucked up the grandpa weed and like I said plants don't understand math and they don't care about efficiency. Ask tty if I have not said that once the COB guys get an actual clue it will be Katie bar the door ? go ahead ask him 8)
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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RM3 said:
Ya simply can not grow the grandpa weed with an HPS light, twas HPS that fucked up the grandpa weed and like I said plants don't understand math and they don't care about efficiency. Ask tty if I have not said that once the COB guys get an actual clue it will be Katie bar the door ? go ahead ask him 8)
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Oh, yeah- :hump:
 
VTMi'kmaq

VTMi'kmaq

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RM3 said:
Ya simply can not grow the grandpa weed with an HPS light, twas HPS that fucked up the grandpa weed and like I said plants don't understand math and they don't care about efficiency. Ask tty if I have not said that once the COB guys get an actual clue it will be Katie bar the door ? go ahead ask him 8)
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HPS fucked up the grandpa herbs? Any hard data?
 
VTMi'kmaq

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huh, I should go tell the 74 yr old Jamaican that uses old-school lines.......see If he can shed light....hopefully he won't laugh at me.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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VTMi'kmaq said:
huh, I should go tell the 74 yr old Jamaican that uses old-school lines.......see If he can shed light....hopefully he won't laugh at me.
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If you're damn lucky, he'll hand you a joint and invite you to see for yourself.

Booze is booze and nicotine is nicotine, no matter the delivery system- but as we all know, cannabis IS different from strain to strain and under different lighting, etc.

@RM3 is just trying to get a particular combination of factors to get the desired results.

It's not hard to figure out, really.
 
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