verticalgrow
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g'day GR,
Try recommended rates to establish a base line.
Do you prefer cana over H & G coco nutes?
VG
New vert grow, could use some input please
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Try recommended rates to establish a base line.
Do you prefer cana over H & G coco nutes?
VG
gr865
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I have never tried either, I am just going with what I have read about given nutes.g'day GR,
Try recommended rates to establish a base line.
Do you prefer cana over H & G coco nutes?
GR
verticalgrow
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gr865
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Ok finished,
5 flushes, 1 gallon each flush, waited about 1 Margarita then checked the readings.
Rain water - 5.55 pH adjusted to 5.88 and with drip clean 49 ppm. Made 17 gallons
1st run
pH ppm
BC1 6.3 307
BC2 5.62 775 .
BC3 5.85 598
CK1 5.68 556
CK2 5.62 690
2nd run
pH ppm
BC1 6.51 169
BC2 6.31 296
BC3 6.35 235
CK1 6.27 241
CK2 6.08 300
3rd run
pH ppm
BC1 6.63 119
BC2 6.6 194
BC3 6.53 150
CK1 6.52 175
CK2 6.35 184
RO water, pH 6.48, ppm 7. Adjusted to 5.81
1st run
pH ppm
BC1 6.49 93
BC2 6.49 149
BC3 6.44 115
CK1 6.4 136
CK2 6.33 134
RO water, pH 6.48, ppm 7. Adjusted to 5.88 with 3 ml Cal/Mag per gallon
2nd run
pH ppm
BC1 6.44 165
BC2 6.46 222
BC3 6.41 173
CK1 6.4 217
CK2 6.3 208
Not really sure what this shows but the ppm's got lower but increased with the addition of Cal/Mag at the last run. The pH, has me baffled, not sure what that means, it seemed to increase after the first run then stay fairly constant after that, even though the water was pH each time to around 5.8 to 5.9.
I quit after the 2nd Margarita so now that I am done, it's shot's time.
Got a few pics will post tomorrow.
GR
5 flushes, 1 gallon each flush, waited about 1 Margarita then checked the readings.
Rain water - 5.55 pH adjusted to 5.88 and with drip clean 49 ppm. Made 17 gallons
1st run
pH ppm
BC1 6.3 307
BC2 5.62 775 .
BC3 5.85 598
CK1 5.68 556
CK2 5.62 690
2nd run
pH ppm
BC1 6.51 169
BC2 6.31 296
BC3 6.35 235
CK1 6.27 241
CK2 6.08 300
3rd run
pH ppm
BC1 6.63 119
BC2 6.6 194
BC3 6.53 150
CK1 6.52 175
CK2 6.35 184
RO water, pH 6.48, ppm 7. Adjusted to 5.81
1st run
pH ppm
BC1 6.49 93
BC2 6.49 149
BC3 6.44 115
CK1 6.4 136
CK2 6.33 134
RO water, pH 6.48, ppm 7. Adjusted to 5.88 with 3 ml Cal/Mag per gallon
2nd run
pH ppm
BC1 6.44 165
BC2 6.46 222
BC3 6.41 173
CK1 6.4 217
CK2 6.3 208
Not really sure what this shows but the ppm's got lower but increased with the addition of Cal/Mag at the last run. The pH, has me baffled, not sure what that means, it seemed to increase after the first run then stay fairly constant after that, even though the water was pH each time to around 5.8 to 5.9.
I quit after the 2nd Margarita so now that I am done, it's shot's time.
Got a few pics will post tomorrow.
GR
gr865
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Ok, so I went to the Hydro store to get some Canna A&B.
Talking to my Hydro guy at the store yesterday and filled him in on what I have been doing, ppm's and pH. We talked about the Blumats and I showed him a few pics of the plants, BC1 in picticulary. When I got to the pic of BC1, I said and this is the bitch that is causing my grief. He began to laugh and said that he knew exactly what the problem is. He told me that before he opened the store that he had ran Blumats with coco and the same thing happened to him. Said he, like I, was trying to control the amount of water/nutes to the plants, and that he let them get to dry which sort of shut down the plant (lockout) and they were not able to access the available nutes from the low amount of water in the coco. It was good that I had done a heavy flush with the proper pH and nute range and that my nutes were fine and that I did not need to change them, told him that I had been around 550 ppm but had lowered it to 300 ppm while trying to correct the problem and he said that's fine but as they start to recover that I should start raising that number to between 4 and 500, then around week 7 increase that to close to 600 ppm if they are feeding heavy at that point. He suggested that since there is no runoff that I flush weekly to every 10 days, mainly to make sure they have the right moisture and to flush any excess nute buildup. Said at the rates I am running I should not have any buildup but did not hurt to flush. He assured me it will be ok, lol, felt like a kids in grade school being talked to by a teacher just assuring me.
So, we move on from here, got my first good night sleep last night in over a week. He had never ran a vertical grow but was damn interested in what I was doing, said I was probably sat back by a couple of weeks, I can live with that.
GR
ps, It is hard to find a store owner that will give a shit load of good info and pass up a $100 sale. He knew that I had purchased from him the gallon of Micro and Bloom last spring and said I should not change the nutes but use them up and then we will talk changing them.
Talking to my Hydro guy at the store yesterday and filled him in on what I have been doing, ppm's and pH. We talked about the Blumats and I showed him a few pics of the plants, BC1 in picticulary. When I got to the pic of BC1, I said and this is the bitch that is causing my grief. He began to laugh and said that he knew exactly what the problem is. He told me that before he opened the store that he had ran Blumats with coco and the same thing happened to him. Said he, like I, was trying to control the amount of water/nutes to the plants, and that he let them get to dry which sort of shut down the plant (lockout) and they were not able to access the available nutes from the low amount of water in the coco. It was good that I had done a heavy flush with the proper pH and nute range and that my nutes were fine and that I did not need to change them, told him that I had been around 550 ppm but had lowered it to 300 ppm while trying to correct the problem and he said that's fine but as they start to recover that I should start raising that number to between 4 and 500, then around week 7 increase that to close to 600 ppm if they are feeding heavy at that point. He suggested that since there is no runoff that I flush weekly to every 10 days, mainly to make sure they have the right moisture and to flush any excess nute buildup. Said at the rates I am running I should not have any buildup but did not hurt to flush. He assured me it will be ok, lol, felt like a kids in grade school being talked to by a teacher just assuring me.
So, we move on from here, got my first good night sleep last night in over a week. He had never ran a vertical grow but was damn interested in what I was doing, said I was probably sat back by a couple of weeks, I can live with that.
GR
ps, It is hard to find a store owner that will give a shit load of good info and pass up a $100 sale. He knew that I had purchased from him the gallon of Micro and Bloom last spring and said I should not change the nutes but use them up and then we will talk changing them.
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SamsonsRiddle
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What kind of time is there between the drips after you flushed? I actually dialed my blumats in by doing a count between drips until i found that 10-12 seconds between drip when wet would leave a few extra drops or a small puddle in the catch every couple days. I was using promix which desires to go from wet to damp, close to but not quite coco's need for moisture.
I hated dialing those fuckers in, though, because you have to watch them for a few minutes to make sure they continue dropping at the same pace. Hopefully your buddy was right!
gr865
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SR,
I did that last night and was getting about 8 seconds between drips, and as you say will just adjust as needed. No liquid in the drip trays this morning, but will watch the over the next couple of days, but definitely will not let them dry again.
Well I hope he is right also, going through my notes I did make a note on day 11 that I needed to jack up BC1 because it was very lite compared to the other plants. I did increase it but I don't guess I > it enough.
Thanks for your comments bud,
GR
gr865
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The plants overall look like shit, BC2 is not responding and a couple others are beginning to claw.
Had planned on making the change in nutes to Canna and today flushed with a 750 ppm mix. While starting the mix for the rez the ppm pin died, so waiting on new pin from Extech, warranty.
The numbers from the flush looked good, all around 500 ppm and 5.76 pH.
Just don't have a fking clue what is up, should have responded by now.
Just a few pics from the 2nd, note the other plant starting to show the claw. And I know it's not a root problem, the last pic is of the side of the fabric bag, roots shooting out all over the place.
GR
Had planned on making the change in nutes to Canna and today flushed with a 750 ppm mix. While starting the mix for the rez the ppm pin died, so waiting on new pin from Extech, warranty.
The numbers from the flush looked good, all around 500 ppm and 5.76 pH.
Just don't have a fking clue what is up, should have responded by now.
Just a few pics from the 2nd, note the other plant starting to show the claw. And I know it's not a root problem, the last pic is of the side of the fabric bag, roots shooting out all over the place.
GR
ttystikk
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"Hungry"
gr865
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Although I have not used them in soil, I think they would work great. They were designed for patio plants and those are usually in soil. Just my thoughts.
GR
gr865
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Yes fan blowing straight up towards the filter/scrubber and exhaust. How many plants, I am running 5 in a 4x4 foot tent and the foot print of the circle is just over 3'. There is a post by a fellow named Marlo on another site, The W.O.W. Thread. I don't think RIU will allow me to give the site. There is great info here, lots of informed people here.
If I had a place outside my tent to put my rez, I would put 8 in the tent with a 600 or I bet you could do a 1000. Check out stacking or light movers.
Hope this helped,
GR
gr865
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Day 30 of 12/12
Ok, made the switch last night, GH Micro/Bloom to Canna nutes, since at 4th week added Liquid KoolBloom, Canna.zym, SM90, Epsom and Drip Clean. 650 ppm and 5.81 pH
Checked the rez this morning, 635 ppm and 6.05 pH, adjust it to 5.87. Had some runoff in one of my trays, remove it and checked the numbers, not bad at all, 497 ppm and 5.91 pH.
Much better numbers than what has been showing.
Before adding mix to the rezI this evening will check the numbers again. Have 6+ gallons from last nights mix, I will adjust as need prior to adding to the rez.
The claw is still prominent but the buds are building and doing ok, not great, just ok. Will get some pics soon. Figure the damage has been done and all I can do is just ride out the rest of the grow. Still unsure of the cause, N toxicity, heat from the lamps, or just my fuckup.
Have yet to find any info on Blumats/Canna coco/Canna nute and the ppm's to use in the rez. Found post saying 400 ppm in the rez, tried that and ended up with this problem. Going to stick with this new rate, see how it performs so will have some idea for the next grow.
I will be using one strain on this next vert grow, any suggestions for a 5 plant grow, in a 4x4x7.
GR
Ok, made the switch last night, GH Micro/Bloom to Canna nutes, since at 4th week added Liquid KoolBloom, Canna.zym, SM90, Epsom and Drip Clean. 650 ppm and 5.81 pH
Checked the rez this morning, 635 ppm and 6.05 pH, adjust it to 5.87. Had some runoff in one of my trays, remove it and checked the numbers, not bad at all, 497 ppm and 5.91 pH.
Much better numbers than what has been showing.
Before adding mix to the rezI this evening will check the numbers again. Have 6+ gallons from last nights mix, I will adjust as need prior to adding to the rez.
The claw is still prominent but the buds are building and doing ok, not great, just ok. Will get some pics soon. Figure the damage has been done and all I can do is just ride out the rest of the grow. Still unsure of the cause, N toxicity, heat from the lamps, or just my fuckup.
Have yet to find any info on Blumats/Canna coco/Canna nute and the ppm's to use in the rez. Found post saying 400 ppm in the rez, tried that and ended up with this problem. Going to stick with this new rate, see how it performs so will have some idea for the next grow.
I will be using one strain on this next vert grow, any suggestions for a 5 plant grow, in a 4x4x7.
GR
rob333
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thanks man you are a champ ill just post the pic up so u no what i am on about i was just gunna run 4 in each corner of the tent or even or even 10- 5 on one side 5 on the other light and fan in the middle ill set it up and post some pics see if we can tweak it
verticalgrow
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only remove the leaves that are touching other leaves unless u have enough
airflow & theres no moisture building up then leave them & just remove the dead ones
VG