16 COB 848 Watt Grow - My Venture Into LED

researching

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So as some of you have seen and or read I recently switched from a 2x600HPS flower to a 16 COB Cree CXB3590 grow. Comprising (12) 3500K and (4) 4000K COBs driven by 4 meanwell HLG-185H-C1400B drivers and dimmers(pots) The thread is here for some reference... https://www.rollitup.org/t/led-noob-looking-for-input.918119/
This is essentially to document my first grow under these types of lights and see what comes of this new evolution in my grow.

My motivation to switch to LED's was like most... efficiency. I do not and did not have the amps required to do what I want to do and I wanted to reduce consumption. Now the utility bills were not a major concern to me because the deal my wife and I made is that I run the grow and she pays the utility bills. This worked in my favor when it came time to justifying the switch to LED which was initially estimated at $1000 and eventually came closer to $1500 after materials and incidentals. I had approached my wife last winter about making the switch and she was opposed due to other financial obligations. Even though my argument of "have to spend money to save money" didn't work.

Enter summer. With heat and the A/C that is required to control it, my available amps were not sufficient to keep everything running as should be, ballasts needed dimmed, and alternatives were sought. What I did is a no no and this ended up working in my favor. I flower in one room and in another room I have a 4x8 tent I use to veg/clone in. The majority of the outlets in that room are on the same breaker as the flower room except for one. I decided I would run one of the ballasts, ventilation fan, air pump, and water pump on this outlet. So out comes the extension cord. Long story short, one day my wife was in the room with the veg tent and heard a popping, buzzing and a puff of smoke. She was scared shitless. Don't use extension cords!

So this fire fear entered her brain and a solution had to be found. Re enter the "spend money to save money" argument with an added "less consumption means no extension cord and you will save each month on the utility bills". My argument had been won.

I know that was long winded but the point is I did something I know was potentially stupid and got away with it. Normally I don't do things like that, but my situation had no other alternatives at the time. Thankfully that is in the past.

This move to LEDs was a step in the right direction. I had almost said to hell with growing in the summer due to heat and energy consumption. Even added CO2 to offset the heat. Quit using it for now until I get a fuzzy logic controller and make my area smaller to not waste CO2.

Also, If I am having to dim one or both of my ballasts then my efficiency sucks and yield is affected. All no brainers to switch in my mind.

So now I am pulling 848w for lights vs the 1306w I was pulling on the 2-600w HPS when I was running them at 100% :hump: Now if everything holds true my yields now should surpass what they have been. Of course now I am scrogging as well which should help. In the past it has been mostly LST as I liked to be able to move plants.

So let the documentation begin:
 
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researching

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I grow in coco. Clones and seeds are done in rapid rooters. Then go into solo cups with coco coir, then depending on what I am doing go either into #1 pots
or air pots with coco chips. I used to just do coco coir and perlite 80/20, but switched to coco chips so I could feed more often and get more air to the roots. My plants love it.

I feed twice a day 12hours apart for 45mins each in a recirculating setup. My nutrients are the MB Ferts line which are essentially much cheaper versions of AN. I use the full line of:

Veg:

Grow A
Grow B
Vitamin Hormone Booster (canna boost clone)

Flower:

Bloom A
Bloom B
Vitamin Hormone Boost
Early PK Boost
Late PK Boost

This also goes into the rez for veg and flower:

Oxygenator peroxide
Pond protector enzyme
Cal-Mag
Silica

So my plan is to update photos approximately on a weekly basis and see how it is progressing. And update on any observations. I am running a known strain of black domina so will be able to tell differences with this new set up with her. Pot of gold sounds similar to the mazari and early skunk I ran for awhile so should be somewhat discernable. The Fire Alien OG x Strawberry is a cross I was gifted by a fellow RIU member. The Northern Lights I have run, but am not that impressed with so they will meet a demise shortly.

This will start when they were pulled from the veg tent and put under the net to fill out and get ready. This was done on 9/5

Pics to follow.
 
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MeGaKiLlErMaN

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So as some of you have seen and or read I recently switched from a 2x600HPS flower to a 16 COB Cree CXB3590 grow. Comprising (12) 3500K and (4) 4000K COBs driven by 4 meanwell HLG-185H-C1400B drivers and dimmers(pots) The thread is here for some reference... https://www.rollitup.org/t/led-noob-looking-for-input.918119/
This is essentially to document my first grow under these types of lights and see what comes of this new evolution in my grow.

My motivation to switch to LED's was like most... efficiency. I do not and did not have the amps required to do what I want to do and I wanted to reduce consumption. Now the utility bills were not a major concern to me because the deal my wife and I made is that I run the grow and she pays the utility bills. This worked in my favor when it came time to justifying the switch to LED which was initially estimated at $1000 and eventually came closer to $1500 after materials and incidentals. I had approached my wife last winter about making the switch and she was opposed due to other financial obligations. Even though my argument of "have to spend money to save money" didn't work.

Enter summer. With heat and the A/C that is required to control it, my available amps were not sufficient to keep everything running as should be, ballasts needed dimmed, and alternatives were sought. What I did is a no no and this ended up working in my favor. I flower in one room and in another room I have a 4x8 tent I use to veg/clone in. The majority of the outlets in that room are on the same breaker as the flower room except for one. I decided I would run one of the ballasts, ventilation fan, air pump, and water pump on this outlet. So out comes the extension cord. Long story short, one day my wife was in the room with the veg tent and heard a popping, buzzing and a puff of smoke. She was scared shitless. Don't use extension cords!

So this fire fear entered her brain and a solution had to be found. Re enter the "spend money to save money" argument with an added "less consumption means no extension cord and you will save each month on the utility bills". My argument had been won.

I know that was long winded but the point is I did something I know was potentially stupid and got away with it. Normally I don't do things like that, but my situation had no other alternatives at the time. Thankfully that is in the past.

This move to LEDs was a step in the right direction. I had almost said to hell with growing in the summer due to heat and energy consumption. Even added CO2 to offset the heat. Quit using it for now until I get a fuzzy logic controller and make my area smaller to not waste CO2.

Also, If I am having to dim one or both of my ballasts then my efficiency sucks and yield is affected. All no brainers to switch in my mind.

So now I am pulling 848w for lights vs the 1306w I was pulling on the 2-600w HPS when I was running them at 100% :hump: Now if everything holds true my yields now should surpass what they have been. Of course now I am scrogging as well which should help. In the past it has been mostly LST as I liked to be able to move plants.

So let the documentation begin:
good stuff, youre running the almost the same setup as myself (but Im running all 4000K), I was using it in a 5x5 but now Im about to measure it in a 4x4. Remounted them last night!
I look forward to cross referencing my results with yours... since Im not running CO2.
 

researching

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good stuff, youre running the almost the same setup as myself (but Im running all 4000K), I was using it in a 5x5 but now Im about to measure it in a 4x4. Remounted them last night!
I look forward to cross referencing my results with yours... since Im not running CO2.
That should be some light in a 4x4! I probably wont run co2 on this. I would probably do it in the summer. It really depends if I get a controller with fuzzy logic so I can be more efficient with the co2. I plan to put up a "curtain" of panda film to better utilize the light from the cobs as well as make a smaller ft/2 for the co2. I really want to see what the co2 would do though in a full run!
 

MeGaKiLlErMaN

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That should be some light in a 4x4! I probably wont run co2 on this. I would probably do it in the summer. It really depends if I get a controller with fuzzy logic so I can be more efficient with the co2. I plan to put up a "curtain" of panda film to better utilize the light from the cobs as well as make a smaller ft/2 for the co2. I really want to see what the co2 would do though in a full run!
Check my signature. The temps that have the fall off are where CO2 would really pump them up. Until then that's the max for output temps. Yeah it's some good light it's 830PPFD in a 5x5 at 1ft so I mean it's already strong af.
 

researching

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IMAG1967.jpg IMAG1966.jpg So looking at this Alien Strawberry plant, does this look like early light bleaching? I feel like an idiot for asking, but some of the leaves have a minor claw so I don't think it's a deficiency. I'm running around 700tds ph between 5.6-5.8. This is the only one showing this. @shorelineOG any input on the way she feeds?
 

ttystikk

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Yessir. Temps on fixture are high 70's, ambient is mid 70's. I do run it colder when winter comes though for purpling.
Yanno, I'm running almost exactly the same combo you are, only mine are all 3500K. I'm running 16 chips per 4x6, my calcs came out to around the same PPfD you did.

I'm also having that leaf lightening issue and what seems to help most is more food.

I'm interested in seeing how yours develop. I think mine were running cool and hungry- yet I still pulled personal best numbers.

I think these things have crazy potential.

My favorite part is that I've never had such dense frosty nugs. The quality improvement over HID is outrageous!
 

researching

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Yanno, I'm running almost exactly the same combo you are, only mine are all 3500K. I'm running 16 chips per 4x6, my calcs came out to around the same PPfD you did.

I'm also having that leaf lightening issue and what seems to help most is more food.

I'm interested in seeing how yours develop. I think mine were running cool and hungry- yet I still pulled personal best numbers.

I think these things have crazy potential.

My favorite part is that I've never had such dense frosty nugs. The quality improvement over HID is outrageous!
I was initially thinking food because like co2 I they are supposed to feed more. But the eagle claw has thrown me off. I could foliar feed too for now to see. Organocide actually seems to work great as kind of a leaf wash/shine, and nitro boost. In addition to the pest qualities. I may try that. I do think I am going to bump the calmag first to see.
 

a mongo frog

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I was initially thinking food because like co2 I they are supposed to feed more. But the eagle claw has thrown me off. I could foliar feed too for now to see. Organocide actually seems to work great as kind of a leaf wash/shine, and nitro boost. In addition to the pest qualities. I may try that. I do think I am going to bump the calmag first to see.
If you put a temp gauge on the table near a pot what do you think it would read? Not trying to beat a dead horse just wondering.
 

researching

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Yanno, I'm running almost exactly the same combo you are, only mine are all 3500K. I'm running 16 chips per 4x6, my calcs came out to around the same PPfD you did.

I'm also having that leaf lightening issue and what seems to help most is more food.

I'm interested in seeing how yours develop. I think mine were running cool and hungry- yet I still pulled personal best numbers.

I think these things have crazy potential.

My favorite part is that I've never had such dense frosty nugs. The quality improvement over HID is outrageous!

frost is what I live for. I want to ski down those nugs. I love it when you dry trim and it snows!
 

researching

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If you put a temp gauge on the table near a pot what do you think it would read? Not trying to beat a dead horse just wondering.
Don't know. I would guess mid to high 70's since my thermostat on the fixture is right by a driver an sink. When I put up my panda curtain I am assuming temps will go up a bit except unlike a tent, there will be open space at the top and heat can rise out of that.
 
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