a mongo frog
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Sounds fine like you said. Sorry. Hows water temps?
Ruwtz Maneuver Vol 1
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ruwtz
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Res sits at 74F but doesn't really matter as nothing is being flooded/fed at the moment whilst I wait for combination of rock wool to dry back and roots to grow into bottom layer of coco which in time will be the only media flooded.
I've been advised res temps aren't so critical for E&F. I change every week anyways and its clean in there these days after I cut out the bennies.
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ruwtz
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I'm really fucking angry with myself right now for not going with coco from the start like I had planned. Coming from soil outdoors it would've been a smoother transition. I got sold these nasty rock wool shitcake sponge bricks and they have fucked with me the whole way.
I should have ran one strain not four, but I got excited.
I was told to KISS but I wouldn't listen.
I'm failing here, I can feel it, and it sucks.
Any offers on a $20k grow shed?? Please no food stamps.
I should have ran one strain not four, but I got excited.
I was told to KISS but I wouldn't listen.
I'm failing here, I can feel it, and it sucks.
Any offers on a $20k grow shed?? Please no food stamps.
ttystikk
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PERSISTENCE. It's the only thing that works.
ruwtz
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Hmm, do they have it in gallons? Where can I buy this? Do I toss it on the roots every 8 minutes until my hair falls out or what?
Sorry. Losing it here...
ttystikk
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Increase transpiration rates; raise temps and minimise RH and see if you can get them drinking.
Wisher2
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I say 82f RH 45%
a mongo frog
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So yesterday you posted pics of roots coming out the bottom of the 6 inch blocks. Were you planing on those roots growing into something?
ruwtz
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I guess I figured they could be in principle ok on a flood table with a hydroton layer. People do it.
It wasn't my original design if I'm honest and that's why I'm kicking myself.
Shoulda gone with coco pots from the off. As they are now, but minus the asbestos sponge.
a mongo frog
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Don't people go from 6 inch blocks to slabs? Also doesn't look to late to go into coco or any other medium. At least maybe you can try one plant and see how she does.
ruwtz
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All the cubes are in coco pots as of yesterday. It was the best compromise.
Past couple of pages show this in more detail but if you haven't read it I'll let you off.
BustinScales510
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710 seems like a pretty high ppm for small stressed plants. That is about the highest I run for large plants in peak health. I use coco/perlite now but it was the same when I used to grow with rockwool. It is way easier to over due it with nutrients than to under feed. Once you get into that tailspin it is hard to correct.
It is probably the last thing you want to hear but if it is possible I think starting over would be the best thing to do. There were problematic grows that I had in the beginning and I regretted battling through to the end with plants that were already beat up before flowering started.
Either way, best of luck. You have built a nice room that has potential and I hope you make it over the hump.
It is probably the last thing you want to hear but if it is possible I think starting over would be the best thing to do. There were problematic grows that I had in the beginning and I regretted battling through to the end with plants that were already beat up before flowering started.
Either way, best of luck. You have built a nice room that has potential and I hope you make it over the hump.
ruwtz
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Sorry, I backed off from here for a little while. I was getting dependent on the feedback. It was time for me to face this situation with a little of my own common sense and decision-making. Sometimes the internet can be a very noisy and confusing place when you're stuck, full of conjecture and opinion, however well intended. Research can be difficult and misleading. Ultimately I have to make the calls for my garden, so please know I really do dig your advice and support here.
I have patients to satisfy and upcoming bills to pay so I've chosen to persevere with the remaining healthy plants. I am down to 4, 5 or 6 per strain and they are perky, drinking and growing. I'm at about 1ft tall. The rock wool has dried back and I keep it only slightly most with a bennie tea (Recharge by Real Growers) which I think has helped a little just to keep the medium damp. Presumably at this point root growth into the coco layers has gone well and so that is flooded every day, pH6.0 + 1.0EC whilst avoiding saturating the rock wool on top.
Some clones off the first ones I cut down have rooted so at least we have another generation waiting to move over.
I am going to veg for another couple of weeks before flipping into flower.
I am a long way off being satisfied, all these problems have really demoralized me and I feel like a bad gardener. It should not have been this challenging and it has got me down this past week.
Thanks for sticking by me here. It'll come good in the end, i'm sure. Still so much to learn.
Wisher2
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sounds like you are on your way
indoor gardening can be challenging
for the most seasoned grower
so you are in the company of many
glad to see the block on top of coco is working well
soon those roots will grow crazy and your plants will explode
ruwtz
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Roots are indeed going good, after five days since transplant most are trying to run out the bottom of the smart pots like this:
These roots are clean and robust and although i'm trying not to disturb the pots where they sit on the hydroton layer, it is useful to be able to shuffle them around to avoid shadowing on leaves/maximise light coverage.
Here's a view across the table and the canopy. I believe these remaining plants are out of recovery and new growth tells me they are thriving.
I think most are Mg hungry so CaMg has been boosted to 5ml/gal. Some of the new growth is also pale and so i'm running the GH Trio at a ratio of 2-1-1 for extra N, although a couple of the plants are showing the N claw too, so we'll have to see what happens there.
Res was changed today and saw some snotty/slimy buildup on the pumps. I had left it 12 days since I hadn't been flooding so not too worried. I had been topping off using the dehu water (it easily pulls 5gals per day), but its tank is starting to look a little grimy, ergo any pathogen or fungal spore could be in there so i'm going to stop doing this.
I don't want to add H2O2 to the res as i'm using Hydroguard in there and don't want to cancel it out.
New feed = pH5.7 and 1.2EC and set to flood at lights-on tmrw at 8am, and daily thereafter.
I've cut down 6 or 7 plants this week and all have been cloned save wasting those seed genes... i'll grow better next time around to see if we have any winners out of them. First clones have rooted in Root Riot plugs and as of today they're up into coco cups.
The Larry OG is lankiest and proving difficult to LST as I had planned. The Blackjack is short and bushy with dense foliage that needs a lot of trimming in the lower third to keep tidy. Seems like the indica dom and sativa dom have swapped traits here but whatever.
The 24K Gold is responding well to LST'ing and topping at the same time and should put out some great bud sites.
The best grower of them all is the Gorilla Glue: the best roots, vigorous stems and massive glossy deep green fans... reminds me of savoy cabbage. A couple are starting to sex and looking like girls, although since its bagseed could still herm on me, which would be a big shame around here!
Feeling better about everything today. I'm feeling very good about life in coco!
These roots are clean and robust and although i'm trying not to disturb the pots where they sit on the hydroton layer, it is useful to be able to shuffle them around to avoid shadowing on leaves/maximise light coverage.
Here's a view across the table and the canopy. I believe these remaining plants are out of recovery and new growth tells me they are thriving.
I think most are Mg hungry so CaMg has been boosted to 5ml/gal. Some of the new growth is also pale and so i'm running the GH Trio at a ratio of 2-1-1 for extra N, although a couple of the plants are showing the N claw too, so we'll have to see what happens there.
Res was changed today and saw some snotty/slimy buildup on the pumps. I had left it 12 days since I hadn't been flooding so not too worried. I had been topping off using the dehu water (it easily pulls 5gals per day), but its tank is starting to look a little grimy, ergo any pathogen or fungal spore could be in there so i'm going to stop doing this.
I don't want to add H2O2 to the res as i'm using Hydroguard in there and don't want to cancel it out.
New feed = pH5.7 and 1.2EC and set to flood at lights-on tmrw at 8am, and daily thereafter.
I've cut down 6 or 7 plants this week and all have been cloned save wasting those seed genes... i'll grow better next time around to see if we have any winners out of them. First clones have rooted in Root Riot plugs and as of today they're up into coco cups.
The Larry OG is lankiest and proving difficult to LST as I had planned. The Blackjack is short and bushy with dense foliage that needs a lot of trimming in the lower third to keep tidy. Seems like the indica dom and sativa dom have swapped traits here but whatever.
The 24K Gold is responding well to LST'ing and topping at the same time and should put out some great bud sites.
The best grower of them all is the Gorilla Glue: the best roots, vigorous stems and massive glossy deep green fans... reminds me of savoy cabbage. A couple are starting to sex and looking like girls, although since its bagseed could still herm on me, which would be a big shame around here!
Feeling better about everything today. I'm feeling very good about life in coco!
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