Don't want to decarboxylation my tincture

Leftylou

Leftylou

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I have been consuming cannabis tincture for years. I was gifted some stuff to make my own tincture. The most recent I have been taking is all cbd with cane alcohol base. I do not handle high at all it gives me very bad anxiety. I have used some tincture that had a thc content but it did not get me high. The stuff I was gifted does have a thc content so from what I have read if I do not decarb it the thc will not be activated. Are there any good recipes for tincture that do not include decarboxylation? I am going to use alcohol as the vegetable glycerine is hard to get in good organic form for a low price. Any info would be awesome I really want to make my tincture. I have severe asthma and was so sick for so long and so many ICU visits that my friend asked me to try the tincture she made I have not been sick in 3 years!
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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I'm not sure I understand..

You want recipes for tinc but was gifted some?
Use what you were gifted and don't heat it?
Making it is just like a qwet or etoh extract.. That's all it is. Reduce volume with light heat airflow reduced atmospheric pressure etc

Only thing is cbd also gives most medical benefits by hitting areas in the brain.. Which it can't do if not decarbed. If yoube been using a high cbd tincture that's zbeen decarbed this may be an issue
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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Oh.. I must've been reading too quick, I see that now.

Really all your doing is washing the bud in ethanol .. Use a higher proof but even 40% will work fine

Ya just chill the herb and the solvent and wash but you don't have too, keeps some green taste out just like a quicker wash.. But you can do however you like doesn't really matter.. Key points I guess would just be filter it and let it soak at least 2 min

It won't be decarbed as long as you don't heat it
 
Leftylou

Leftylou

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qwizoking said:
Oh.. I must've been reading too quick, I see that now.

Really all your doing is washing the bud in ethanol .. Use a higher proof but even 40% will work fine

Ya just chill the herb and the solvent and wash but you don't have too, keeps some green taste out just like a quicker wash.. But you can do however you like doesn't really matter.. Key points I guess would just be filter it and let it soak at least 2 min

It won't be decarbed as long as you don't heat it
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Thank you for the info
 
Leftylou

Leftylou

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Well I have already started the tincture process so we will see what it turns out like and go from there. I just want the medicine not really interested in the high at all because being high causes me extreme anxiety. Decarbing will help thca become thc and that is not what I want. I think they are confused.
 
Grow Goddess

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Leftylou said:
Well I have already started the tincture process so we will see what it turns out like and go from there. I just want the medicine not really interested in the high at all because being high causes me extreme anxiety. Decarbing will help thca become thc and that is not what I want. I think they are confused.
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I get the impression you don't fully understand.
First, with your product, assuming it is already made, it is in the process of decarbing now, it is called natural decarbing. If you don't want to get high from it, it must be consumed within 90 days or it will start to give you a high. It could be less than 90 days depending on how old the buds were. Usually a maximum of 120 days for it to fully naturally decarb.
When made properly, naturally decarbed tinctures will contain terpenes, which is rare for most concentrates. Some of these terpenes may take away the anxiety buzz that you have experienced in the past. Many of the terpenes present in a naturally decarbed product can offer anti-buzz properties which will eliminate some of the anxiety. On the other side, these terpenes will also alter the THC and the blood brain barrier and the buzz will last much longer. Not more intense, just longer.
Me personally, I would want my product fully naturally decarbed and not for the THC, but for the terpenes and for the non psychoactive cannibinoids.
Without the decarbing, you may not be receiving full medicinal effects. If THC really bothers you, find a low THC strain and try the natural decacrbing I have mentioned. In the end, go with what works best for you.
 
BobCajun

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Actually it's not a good idea to store cannabinoids in a solution because it will degrade a lot faster. Better to have a normal oil type extract and mix as much as you need with alcohol just before use.
 
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qwizoking

qwizoking

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BobCajun said:
Actually it's not a good idea to store cannabinoids in a solution because it will degrade a lot faster. Actually better to have a normal oil type extract and mix as much as you need with alcohol just before use.
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False.
I've even posted studies
 
qwizoking

qwizoking

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Don't feel like looking.

I believe one of my favs mentioned this though.


Called I think "the long term stability of cannabis extracts" by the Australian journal of forensic science











So you have anything that supports your statement?
 
qwizoking

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In light it is..

But otherwise it prevents oxidation and I'm sure other processes that degrade the thc
 
Grow Goddess

Grow Goddess

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BobCajun said:
Actually it's not a good idea to store cannabinoids in a solution because it will degrade a lot faster. Better to have a normal oil type extract and mix as much as you need with alcohol just before use.
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For the most part I would agree. However, an alcohol mixture usually stays stable for a long time. I have yet to have any go bad on me and I have had some stored for over a year with no noticeable degradation. The concentrate was made with 200 proof ethyl and kept in a liquid form. I have made other batches with 99% isopropyl and 192 proof polish vodka. The lower proof may cause a quicker degradation due to the water content.

Now when mixing with other oils or even PG USP, I have witnessed the concentrate going bad after long term storage. When I say go bad, it is in regards to THC converting to CBN.

I believe when they say it is least stable in a liquid form it may actually be in reference to natural decarbing, the THCa converting to THC by expelling CO2. It seems to me, through my experience, when the concentrate is nearly dry, the natural decarbing or THCa to THC conversion does not occur unless heat is applied.
 
BobCajun

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Grow Goddess said:
For the most part I would agree. However, an alcohol mixture usually stays stable for a long time. I have yet to have any go bad on me and I have had some stored for over a year with no noticeable degradation. The concentrate was made with 200 proof ethyl and kept in a liquid form. I have made other batches with 99% isopropyl and 192 proof polish vodka. The lower proof may cause a quicker degradation due to the water content.

Now when mixing with other oils or even PG USP, I have witnessed the concentrate going bad after long term storage. When I say go bad, it is in regards to THC converting to CBN.

I believe when they say it is least stable in a liquid form it may actually be in reference to natural decarbing, the THCa converting to THC by expelling CO2. It seems to me, through my experience, when the concentrate is nearly dry, the natural decarbing or THCa to THC conversion does not occur unless heat is applied.
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I guess it's just light degradation that is increased in solution. But of course nobody would be leaving the bottle on a windowsill anyway so not that big a concern. What it sometimes degrades to is hydroquinones. That's what happens when it reacts with oxygen. It's not even classified as a cannabinoid at that point, completely different class of compounds.
 
Grow Goddess

Grow Goddess

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BobCajun said:
I guess it's just light degradation that is increased in solution. But of course nobody would be leaving the bottle on a windowsill anyway so not that big a concern. What it sometimes degrades to is hydroquinones. That's what happens when it reacts with oxygen. It's not even classified as a cannabinoid at that point, completely different class of compounds.
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That is why it is best to use dark colored bottles, jars, storage containers, etc. Otherwise, store in a cool dark place. I keep mine locked in a safe, and in dark containers.

I have 5 year old RSO stored in a brown vial and it is just as good as the day I put it in there.
 
BobCajun

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You can also make a THCA extract without solvent. You just add 10 times the amount of 4% baking soda solution (100 g of material needs 1 liter water, 40 g soda) and heat to 50-60 C for 2 hours. THCA won't decarb to any extent at less than 80 C. You filter out the plant material and you have a solution of the sodium salt of THCA. You can evaporate it to a powder. It degrades in a few days in the alkaline solution.

You can't get high off it but it has medicinal properties. To be able to get high you would have to acidify the solution with citric acid to precipitate THCA in smokable form. I don't know how much baking soda would be in the extract. I didn't actually do this yet. It's from a patent. They didn't say if there was still soda in it or not. Anyway, a little soda won't hurt you. The good thing about the salt form of THCA is that it's very stable. You can sit the powder out in the air for a few years without significant degradation.
 
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