Ruwtz Maneuver Vol 1

[ttystikk]

I've been using reclaim water from my dehuey for years, it's the best water you have.

 

[ruwtz]

I've been using reclaim water from my dehuey for years, it's the best water you have.

Best water I have comes out the RO filter, but I hear you!

Do you bleach or H2O2 before topping off? Surely anything could be in that water if its in the room atmos? I'm thinking specifically about unwanted spores etc.

Of course the slime in my drum could've come from anywhere, but for now i'm just tossing the dehu water on my outdoor plants. Lets see how this new res goes.

 

[ttystikk]

Best water I have comes out the RO filter, but I hear you!

Do you bleach or H2O2 before topping off? Surely anything could be in that water if its in the room atmos? I'm thinking specifically about unwanted spores etc.

Of course the slime in my drum could've come from anywhere, but for now i'm just tossing the dehu water on my outdoor plants. Lets see how this new res goes.

You say your dehuey unit makes 5 gallons a day. Use it every day and nasties won't get the chance to build up in it.

Think your RO is cleaner? Dip your EC pen and see for yourself.

 

[ruwtz]

You say your dehuey unit makes 5 gallons a day. Use it every day and nasties won't get the chance to build up in it.

Think your RO is cleaner? Dip your EC pen and see for yourself.

I have. Always registers some ppm's - can't remember off the top of my head. RO is always 0ppm.

Dark stains in the bottom of the dehu tank. Easily cleaned. It runs 24/7 and is brand new.

 

[ttystikk]

I have. Always registers some ppm's - can't remember off the top of my head. RO is always 0ppm.

Dark stains in the bottom of the dehu tank. Easily cleaned. It runs 24/7 and is brand new.

Maybe mine isn't quite as sensitive as yours, but I get the opposite result.

I make a lot of reclaim water as a byproduct of growing trees and I'm glad I can recycle it as it really cuts down on water consumption.

 

[ruwtz]

Maybe mine isn't quite as sensitive as yours, but I get the opposite result.

I make a lot of reclaim water as a byproduct of growing trees and I'm glad I can recycle it as it really cuts down on water consumption.

Yes that's definitely the ambition.

 

[Wisher2]

you dont have to worry about adding h2o and messing with the hydroguard
once the hydroguard hits the roots it innoculates them....and begins to grow
everything will be fine

I am glad everything is lookin so much better

IMO.....coco is the best media

I have always had amazing results in coco

good job man

 

[ruwtz]

you dont have to worry about adding h2o and messing with the hydroguard
once the hydroguard hots the roots it innoculates them....and begins to grow
everything will be fine

I am glad everything is lookin so much better

IMO.....coco is the best media

I have always had amazing results in coco

good job man

Surely H2O2 would kill Hydroguard bacteria when mixed in the same res before it reaches any roots??

 

[ttystikk]

Surely H2O2 would kill Hydroguard bacteria when mixed in the same res before it reaches any roots??

No, because H2O2 breaks down quickly; stir some into your reclaim tank- if you feel the need, I don't- and then let it stand for thirty minutes and you'll be fine.

 

[ruwtz]

So i'm pulling 5gal from the dehu, the girls are springing up and the pots are drying through pretty quick, with roots pushing through the pot base before getting themselves air pruned. We're getting through water pretty good now.

With room humidity at around 55% i'm thinking the plants at this stage might benefit from stepping up to two floods per day. I've been flooding at lights on 8am every day this week, and just now this evening I manually flooded for a trial of a 'supper feed'.

I'll check on them in the AM ahead of their breakfast and probably repeat this manually again tomorrow night before programming this second flood into the timer. I feel I should be up to two floods per day at this stage anyways.

Question: when draining back into the res after a flood, can this be treated with any degree of accuracy like runoff? In other words, if the drain EC reads lower then what I flooded in, then the feed needs to be increased? Or does it not work this way with E&F? Can't seem to find a straight answer on this but it seems feasible to me.

I've gone with 1.3EC the past 48hrs since res change and it has come back the same after flooding, which by the above logic means the feed is right on point. Whilst not impossible, I do find that hard to believe, what with all the other shit i've had so far.

 

[ruwtz]

No, because H2O2 breaks down quickly; stir some into your reclaim tank- if you feel the need, I don't- and then let it stand for thirty minutes and you'll be fine.

PS yes I will feel better about treating the reclaim water with a dash of H2O2 before reusing!

 

[Wisher2]

So i'm pulling 5gal from the dehu, the girls are springing up and the pots are drying through pretty quick, with roots pushing through the pot base before getting themselves air pruned. We're getting through water pretty good now.

With room humidity at around 55% i'm thinking the plants at this stage might benefit from stepping up to two floods per day. I've been flooding at lights on 8am every day this week, and just now this evening I manually flooded for a trial of a 'supper feed'.

I'll check on them in the AM ahead of their breakfast and probably repeat this manually again tomorrow night before programming this second flood into the timer. I feel I should be up to two floods per day at this stage anyways.

Question: when draining back into the res after a flood, can this be treated with any degree of accuracy like runoff? In other words, if the drain EC reads lower then what I flooded in, then the feed needs to be increased? Or does it not work this way with E&F? Can't seem to find a straight answer on this but it seems feasible to me.

I've gone with 1.3EC the past 48hrs since res change and it has come back the same after flooding, which by the above logic means the feed is right on point. Whilst not impossible, I do find that hard to believe, what with all the other shit i've had so far.

this entirely depends on how you are gonna go about "reservoir management"
if you are gonna be doing "add backs" then you dont really need to worry about the ec in that way
"Add Backs"
during the top offs of your res...........with h20 you will take an ec reading after top off.....since you are running ec it makes it easy.......fraction the reading by your 100% meaning what ever your ec starts out to what ever it is now
1.0ec in
.5ec at top off
you would add back 50% nutrient solution to your tank.....bringing it back to 1.0
if that makes sense

I have never gone by the bumping up and down readings
I usually push my girls under just to the point of being underfed....and then bumping up slightly and staying there......
and keeping the res exactly there at every top off
by keeping the salts as low as possible I lessen the risk of salt buildup
which I have never encountered
and keeping the ec steady along with the h20

in the larger industrial scale of hydroponic growing where operations are extremely automated
they have injection tanks
a simple way to build that at home is to have a double tank
one tank that feeds the plants and another that feeds the 1st
you set the solution strength in the entire system
and set up an automated ph injection system
a float valve in the first tank
so as the solution depletes from the res a float vale dips and as it does the tank adds back from your solution tank
the ph monitor will inject until it reaches your set ph

as for waterings and times
I usually run 3 times a day from seed
the only thing that changes is the duration of the flood
as the plant grows it takes in more h2o and depletes it faster from the media which in turn causes longer soak times i max at 15 min floods

 

[ruwtz]

Real proud of these girls for responding well to the changes. We have some nice plants going now and i'm a much happier farmer this week.

They love the added second flood so i've just programmed that in for 6pm. Will be adding back using treated reclaim water. Would love to be adding a third flood by the end of the next week and I will have learned so much more about what these strains will take in coco.

Planning to flip in a couple of weeks.

Most plants have been topped once or twice over the past month, a few have been LST'd and are nice and bushy. The Larry's are very leggy and I feel i've missed the chance to train for max flower coverage so may well just be cutting clones from these guys and going for a better run next time. I'm constantly bending the Larry tops back to allow the lower branches a chance to catch up - they are right up under the lights now.

 

[ttystikk]

If that's your whole grow space you best be flipping tomorrow. They keep growing in bloom, yanno...

 

[ruwtz]

If that's your whole grow space you best be flipping tomorrow. They keep growing in bloom, yanno...

Flower room is next door, with 10ft ceilings. We're good! The plan was for 24" plants in veg with trying for 2 dozen cola tops each to best fill my scrog screens, 4 plants per light/screen.

I have four lights in flower so going to fill 2 for 1 month then move the next lot over to the other two empty lights so I can move in waves. Not a perpetual plan but a cycle of sorts.

 

[ttystikk]

Flower room is next door, with 10ft ceilings. We're good! The plan was for 24" plants in veg with trying for 2 dozen cola tops each to best fill my scrog screens, 4 plants per light/screen.

I have four lights in flower so going to fill 2 for 1 month then move the next lot over to the other two empty lights so I can move in waves. Not a perpetual plan but a cycle of sorts.

Sounds like a perpetual approach to me. I should know, I've been running them for years.

 

[Wisher2]

Real proud of these girls for responding well to the changes. We have some nice plants going now and i'm a much happier farmer this week.

They love the added second flood so i've just programmed that in for 6pm. Will be adding back using treated reclaim water. Would love to be adding a third flood by the end of the next week and I will have learned so much more about what these strains will take in coco.

Planning to flip in a couple of weeks.

Most plants have been topped once or twice over the past month, a few have been LST'd and are nice and bushy. The Larry's are very leggy and I feel i've missed the chance to train for max flower coverage so may well just be cutting clones from these guys and going for a better run next time. I'm constantly bending the Larry tops back to allow the lower branches a chance to catch up - they are right up under the lights now.

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looking much better
on some of the plants I see Ca and Mg def
Ca being the browning spots
Mg being the super purpling of the stems

overall lookin great from where you were 2 weeks ago
way to press on

 

[ruwtz]

Sounds like a perpetual approach to me. I should know, I've been running them for years.

I had wanted to run lower humidity in late flower together with dark period and drowning etc. I like what I've read about all these techniques but it would require 2 or more separate flower rooms. This is the perpetual I wanted.

 

[ruwtz]

looking much better
on some of the plants I see Ca and Mg def
Ca being the browning spots
Mg being the super purpling of the stems

overall lookin great from where you were 2 weeks ago
way to press on

Yeah I've bumped Calmag to 5ml and might keep going 1ml a time until they say stop.

Is there a sweet spot for CaMg in coco??

 

[Wisher2]

Yeah I've bumped Calmag to 5ml and might keep going 1ml a time until they say stop.

Is there a sweet spot for CaMg in coco??

depends on the coco and the strain you are running

I run 3ml of Calmg+
my mothers I dont run CalMg
They are in the coco long enough to not need the buffer anymore