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GemuGrows

GemuGrows

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bassman999 said:
What kind of temp/humidity in home needed for these to work well?
Can you link the Brunello kit?
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Temp for wine you get a little wiggle room; if you can keep your wine between 65-75f during fermentation your gold. (Fermentation gives off temp, so your wine temp will be a few degreese above your air temp).

As far as humidity; your wine will be sealed from the air other than an air lock to let gas out as it ferments; humidity dont matter.

http://www.winexpert.com/wine?brand[]=531&keywords=Italian Brunello Style with Grape Skins&v=list&p=details

http://www.homebrewing.org/Selection-International-Italian-Brunello-w-Grape-Skins_p_2739.html

http://www.southernhomebrew.com/itbrwimakitw.html
^Damn they have it for $93

IMO tho: Do a few kits that finish quickly and are cheap before you do an expensive wine that takes 6-24 months to age. You can do 4 quick wines in 2 months if you have double the above equipment.

At this point 2-3 months doesnt mean shit if your planning on aging for up to 2 years or more; enjoying a few bottles in between. Doing some quick kits will give you a fat wine supply and good experience before you buy in for the long run



One of the reasons I left the store I worked at is cuz they gouged prices and I liked my customers too much to exploit them lol; but $93 for the kit is still a great deal

If you can keep everything that touches your wine sanitary (easy to do with star-san sanitizer and a bucket of water); and you can follow simple instructions; you will enjoy success and get kickass wine for dirt cheap.

Beer is a little bit more of a pain in the ass imo. You need more equipment; very worth doing tho.

Wine has a lot of room for error; you can make a few big mistakes and still have it turn out fine. With beer you could fuck up a tiny thing and ruin a batch hah.




Wine is easier to learn; harder to master

Beer is harder to learn; easier to master

(IMO at least)
 
GemuGrows

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Bbcchance said:
Ever tried ice wine? Sweetest drink ive ever had! I prefer a nice dryer niagra white wine, i think its picking season here too...
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I havent gotten my hands on any yet :P

Its cool stuff tho; the grapes freeze on the vine and then get pressed frozen; extra water stays in the grapes so the sugar that is released is more concentrated.

I like my complex dry wines personally; but they take a lot longer to make than sweet wines. And everybody I know wants my wine; so i'm making amazing cheap sweet fast finishing wines so the bottles arent so sad to let go of (: Plus for people who don't drink a lot of wine; a sweet wine will make them very happy
 
bassman999

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GemuGrows said:
Temp for wine you get a little wiggle room; if you can keep your wine between 65-75f during fermentation your gold. (Fermentation gives off temp, so your wine temp will be a few degreese above your air temp).

As far as humidity; your wine will be sealed from the air other than an air lock to let gas out as it ferments; humidity dont matter.

http://www.winexpert.com/wine?brand[]=531&keywords=Italian Brunello Style with Grape Skins&v=list&p=details

http://www.homebrewing.org/Selection-International-Italian-Brunello-w-Grape-Skins_p_2739.html

http://www.southernhomebrew.com/itbrwimakitw.html
^Damn they have it for $93

IMO tho: Do a few kits that finish quickly and are cheap before you do an expensive wine that takes 6-24 months to age. You can do 4 quick wines in 2 months if you have double the above equipment.

At this point 2-3 months doesnt mean shit if your planning on aging for up to 2 years or more; enjoying a few bottles in between. Doing some quick kits will give you a fat wine supply and good experience before you buy in for the long run



One of the reasons I left the store I worked at is cuz they gouged prices and I liked my customers too much to exploit them lol; but $93 for the kit is still a great deal

If you can keep everything that touches your wine sanitary (easy to do with star-san sanitizer and a bucket of water); and you can follow simple instructions; you will enjoy success and get kickass wine for dirt cheap.

Beer is a little bit more of a pain in the ass imo. You need more equipment; very worth doing tho.

Wine has a lot of room for error; you can make a few big mistakes and still have it turn out fine. With beer you could fuck up a tiny thing and ruin a batch hah.




Wine is easier to learn; harder to master

Beer is harder to learn; easier to master

(IMO at least)
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Thank for the links
Besides this you need the brew kit and that it I guess. The temp part will be the hardest for me unless I do it in early spring. I dont use hat/ac much as it is costly.
 
GemuGrows

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bassman999 said:
Thank for the links
Besides this you need the brew kit and that it I guess. The temp part will be the hardest for me unless I do it in early spring. I dont use hat/ac much as it is costly.
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Fair enough; the temp range can be pretty forgiving especially for red wines.

Beer is where the temp range is faaaaaaaaar more important; either way "fermentation" really only happens for like 1 week; then its mostly just waiting for particles to fall to the bottom and de-gassing your wines. I've found that wine is very forgiving. It starts getting super god damn complex when you start trying to figure out grape varities and the fine details of wine chemistry; then you wanna pull your hair out. You can get by without learning the super complex shit tho; kits always come with instructions- and theres really no way to get your hands on fresh grape juice so kits are pretty much your only choice- but they turn out extremely well
 
bassman999

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GemuGrows said:
Fair enough; the temp range can be pretty forgiving especially for red wines.

Beer is where the temp range is faaaaaaaaar more important; either way "fermentation" really only happens for like 1 week; then its mostly just waiting for particles to fall to the bottom and de-gassing your wines. I've found that wine is very forgiving. It starts getting super god damn complex when you start trying to figure out grape varities and the fine details of wine chemistry; then you wanna pull your hair out. You can get by without learning the super complex shit tho; kits always come with instructions- and theres really no way to get your hands on fresh grape juice so kits are pretty much your only choice- but they turn out extremely well
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I can sell a few bottles to make back some of the cost I suppose.
Ill do it the first time when I havent smoked in an hour or so to make sure I dont screw up.
I can autopilot stuff do all the time, but new things sometimes require a slightly clear head
 
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bassman999 said:
I can sell a few bottles to make back some of the cost I suppose.
Ill do it the first time when I havent smoked in an hour or so to make sure I dont screw up.
I can autopilot stuff do all the time, but new things sometimes require a slightly clear head
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My cost/bottle for $50 kits is about $2.80 ($50 kit + $35 for bottling); people are more than willing to buy them for $10.

It costs ~$85 to do 32 bottles of those island mist kits; $10/bottle = $320. Thats $235 profit; which is like 276% profit- anybody would be happy to buy the Island Mist wines primed up to 11%abv for ~$10 a piece; Once you do a few wines its really not that much work; and i'm sure you can find a way to order bottles in bulk to drop your price. The bottle makes up over $1 of the $2.80/bottle lol

I've Crunched through these numbers many times hah. But $235 PROFIT off a $85 investment aint bad.

I'm willing to spend $15 for a bottle of decent wine; selling a bottle of great wine for $10 is not difficult at all.

If you sell almost all your first 32 bottle batch; you would pay off an entire initial investment for a decent wine making setup; even if you work with $100-150 kits there is still really good margin; but IMO these $50 kits are more "likeable" for most people
 
bassman999

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GemuGrows said:
My cost/bottle for $50 kits is about $2.80 ($50 kit + $35 for bottling); people are more than willing to buy them for $10.

It costs ~$85 to do 32 bottles of those island mist kits; $10/bottle = $320. Thats $235 profit; which is like 276% profit- anybody would be happy to buy the Island Mist wines primed up to 11%abv for ~$10 a piece; Once you do a few wines its really not that much work; and i'm sure you can find a way to order bottles in bulk to drop your price. The bottle makes up over $1 of the $2.80/bottle lol

I've Crunched through these numbers many times hah. But $235 PROFIT off a $85 investment aint bad.

I'm willing to spend $15 for a bottle of decent wine; selling a bottle of great wine for $10 is not difficult at all.

If you sell almost all your first 32 bottle batch; you would pay off an entire initial investment for a decent wine making setup; even if you work with $100-150 kits there is still really good margin; but IMO these $50 kits are more "likeable" for most people
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I dont have many ppl around me to buy wine, but I am sure I can find some.

I also eventually want to make IPA and dark beers
 
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https://morewinemaking.com/category/wine-bottles.html

https://morewinemaking.com/products/wine-corker-italian-table-top.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwvb2_BRCb_s7Yo7_ZlHASJABz6L0j0iCzENVL0iCN8zjczonVrbvBdhXVhh5y-9IfXuO4-xoCq1Lw_wcB
^Thats the single largest investment in bottling wine

You should see if you have any local homebrew stores; if you can't find cheap bottles then that could be a pain in the ass o: Things like amazon prime offer free shipping on some things though as far as I understand; i'm sure if you shop around you could find a wholesaler with free shipping though; you might have to buy reletive bulk tho.


I've been paying $13+tax for 12 bottles; so 13.91 or $1.15/bottle- your prices would bring them up to $2.33/bottle and once you have all your permenant eqiupment that would put you at ~$3.40/bottle; still a pretty decent deal
 
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For commercial breweries packaging is literally their largest expense; if a 2000 gallon batch got contaminated they would dump it well before bottling hah

Packaging is a pain in the balls- you can get around it by kegging beer. You can't get around it for wine :P
 
bassman999

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GemuGrows said:
https://morewinemaking.com/category/wine-bottles.html

https://morewinemaking.com/products/wine-corker-italian-table-top.html?gclid=CjwKEAjwvb2_BRCb_s7Yo7_ZlHASJABz6L0j0iCzENVL0iCN8zjczonVrbvBdhXVhh5y-9IfXuO4-xoCq1Lw_wcB
^Thats the single largest investment in bottling wine

You should see if you have any local homebrew stores; if you can't find cheap bottles then that could be a pain in the ass o: Things like amazon prime offer free shipping on some things though as far as I understand; i'm sure if you shop around you could find a wholesaler with free shipping though; you might have to buy reletive bulk tho.


I've been paying $13+tax for 12 bottles; so 13.91 or $1.15/bottle- your prices would bring them up to $2.33/bottle and once you have all your permenant eqiupment that would put you at ~$3.40/bottle; still a pretty decent deal
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I didnt even consider a corker.
I have to wait on this, I cant risk charging all this and have a flop or something lol
 
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bassman999 said:
I didnt even consider a corker.
I have to wait on this, I cant risk charging all this and have a flop or something lol
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:P Just keep the idea in yo mind- brewing is lots of fun

I've put probably $1500 into my equipment over the last 6 months (i don't toke tho).

Its not as much of a money making hobby; its much more a fun hobby. Once you spend enough cash on it you can make money off it tho hah
 
bassman999

bassman999

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GemuGrows said:
:P Just keep the idea in yo mind- brewing is lots of fun

I've put probably $1500 into my equipment over the last 6 months (i don't toke tho).

Its not as much of a money making hobby; its much more a fun hobby. Once you spend enough cash on it you can make money off it tho hah
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I want to do it for the wine, but would need to make money to pay for it is the problem. I dont have the money without credit cards. Oh well I will when the time is right
 
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209 Cali closet grower said:
What up crew. Got to post some out door pics. Only have two plants. One is a bb freebie and the other is from doc. Well been working on as a diesel tech. Well hope the 600 crew members are doing good. Also any new strains. Coming out
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Hey bro!
Lets see those pics!
I have some BB beans popping right now
Hoping for 2 girls each of 2 strains.
No pheno hunting just flower them when they are big enough and hope they show sex, but other wise just pull the boys and maybe throw outside and see if they will make pollen in the winter
 
GemuGrows

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Estimating the yield off the 630w of LEC

-I just took all the nugs off the stems that have been drying for a few days. 960g of un-trimmed nugs that need a little more drying.

I'm assuming about 750g of trimed nugs
100g trim ~10% return on hash

So I imagine it will be about 700g trimmed nugs - 10g top class BHO off the 630w.


I can dig it, thats over 1gpw.

I'll update with final #s. To re-post a pic for reference:
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