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[calliandra]

wait! ^
You are in, lets say..Phase I: Innoculation of sterile whole grain. And whole-grain requires sterilization. Its a broad spectrum & powerful substrate capable of growing whatever. The sequence is: sterilization-----innoculation+incubation----1 specie into a jar = starter/clean spawn or long term storage.
After that its a matter of spreading the full colonized starter into its final pasteurized and eventually fermented bulk substrate

Yeah we were talking about this in another thread - and there was the idea that when growing innoculants for compost/soil, we actually don't need to sterilize the grains first, as we're looking for maximum diversity.

Please correct me IHearAll if I got that wrong

 

[iHearAll]

wait! ^
You are in, lets say..Phase I: Innoculation of sterile whole grain. And whole-grain requires sterilization. Its a broad spectrum & powerful substrate capable of growing whatever. The sequence is: sterilization-----innoculation+incubation----1 specie into a jar = starter/clean spawn or long term storage.
After that its a matter of spreading the full colonized starter into its final pasteurized and eventually fermented bulk substrate

but im just colonizing beneficial bacteria right now. then pasteurizing to get the strongest remaining bacteria a place to reproduce. iv done it this way before in a commercial scale. wouldnt the only difference be that the substrate is sterile before the EM gets to it?

are you suggesting to just apply EM/mols and the spores simultaneously after initial pasteurization? i dont want to sterilize at all

 

[iHearAll]

Yeah we were talking about this in another thread - and there was the idea that when growing innoculants for compost/soil, we actually don't need to sterilize the grains first, as we're looking for maximum diversity.

Please correct me IHearAll if I got that wrong

yew right

 

[iHearAll]

the tub was just to mix in btw. that's a good tub lol

 

[calliandra]

I think I need to read up on pasteurization and fermentation... I have this undercurrent of "oo noo" going on in my head, and don't really have facts to back that up haha

 

[calliandra]

the tub was just to mix in btw. that's a good tub lol

Ha yeah I just got one similar to that for mixing soil - was thinking of making some good soil in there too (would punch holes in the bottom just in case of liquefications), still have to think it through a bit though.

 

[platt]

but im just colonizing beneficial bacteria right now. then pasteurizing to get the strongest remaining bacteria a place to reproduce. iv done it this way before in a commercial scale. wouldnt the only difference be that the substrate is sterile before the EM gets to it?

ah hahaha sry i thought you was about to innoculate basidiomycetes spores into that mix

 

[iHearAll]

my worms are in one. as is my leaf mold. i added some shrooms to my leaf mold this afternoon.

i may end up doing a companion crop in one. i have alot of veggies i dont want to get frozen this winter.

 

[iHearAll]

ah hahaha sry i thought you was about to innoculate basidiomycetes spores into that mix

not quite yet. i havent even found my specimen yet.

 

[iHearAll]

I think I need to read up on pasteurization and fermentation... I have this undercurrent of "oo noo" going on in my head, and don't really have facts to back that up haha

ill probably stay under 155F

 

[calliandra]

Yeah well I really don't see what my problem is?
155° is what we do thermal compost at, and for 3 days not just half an hour.
As regards pasteurization it may have to do with the fact that raw milk is alkaline in our digestive systems whilst if you pasteurize, it's going to be acidic (and prepare the ground for all those acidic-based human ailments)...

 

[Orphan Crippler]

I have grown some Ecuadorian and Z-Strain in the past with grain and the idea of not pressure cooking it to death first makes me uneasy lol. Give it a try if em gets rid of the nasties to enable the mycilium to colonise without competition from trich than that would be just great!

 

[Orphan Crippler]

Do any of you guys have any info on the fermentation of animal byproducts such as Bone Meal from cattle?

Much like the cal-phos from eggs bone meal has plenty Ca and P with a little N.
There is a product available here that called Nitrosol that is made from blood/bone/carcas and I suspect fermented but the concept of animal products fermenting seems like a one way ticket to nasties and funk in your tub.

I like the idea of creating a high k Fpe and mixing it with a bone meal mix to make my own late flower booster for week 6 ect then combine that with some amino's from whey protein to give it that umph.

Bought some hemp protein yesterday and some coconut flour made from the white flesh of the coconut. I think that II will do some experimentation with them.

 

[iHearAll]

Do any of you guys have any info on the fermentation of animal byproducts such as Bone Meal from cattle?

Much like the cal-phos from eggs bone meal has plenty Ca and P with a little N.
There is a product available here that called Nitrosol that is made from blood/bone/carcas and I suspect fermented but the concept of animal products fermenting seems like a one way ticket to nasties and funk in your tub.

I like the idea of creating a high k Fpe and mixing it with a bone meal mix to make my own late flower booster for week 6 ect then combine that with some amino's from whey protein to give it that umph.

Bought some hemp protein yesterday and some coconut flour made from the white flesh of the coconut. I think that II will do some experimentation with them.

i tried making my own maybe two months ago. i got a nice putrid smelling tupperware container. l did it really bad tho. i tried using FPE and no molasses because at the time i had no stable EM culture ready. i was impatient and looking to do something.

is this stuff you're talking about a liquid or a solid?

 

[iHearAll]

Yeah well I really don't see what my problem is?
155° is what we do thermal compost at, and for 3 days not just half an hour.
As regards pasteurization it may have to do with the fact that raw milk is alkaline in our digestive systems whilst if you pasteurize, it's going to be acidic (and prepare the ground for all those acidic-based human ailments)...

 

[Orphan Crippler]

i tried making my own maybe two months ago. i got a nice putrid smelling tupperware container. l did it really bad tho. i tried using FPE and no molasses because at the time i had no stable EM culture ready. i was impatient and looking to do something.

is this stuff you're talking about a liquid or a solid?

Looking to make a liquid Fertiliser.

 

[Orphan Crippler]

I have a batch of 2nd generation em1 lol used the activated to make more for a general garden treatment before the rains come.
I am told that using activated em1 to make more is a bad idea.... but I have done it a few times with no negative results I guess its because the ratios of bacteria become skewed after the first fermentation. I cant see it being less viable than general lab?

 

[iHearAll]

I have a batch of 2nd generation em1 lol used the activated to make more for a general garden treatment before the rains come.
I am told that using activated em1 to make more is a bad idea.... but I have done it a few times with no negative results I guess its because the ratios of bacteria become skewed after the first fermentation. I cant see it being less viable than general lab?

you wont get any negative results but by this point you're just culturing lactobacillus and yeast. the photosynthetic isnt as vigorous i guess. so really theres no harm. if you eat rice you can save the rinse of your rice (or quinoa) and use two tablespoons of your extended plus molasses per gallon of wash. i kinda wing it on the amount of rice per gallon. i usually do the 1 cup of rice recipe on the bag so i end up doing 1-2 cups of rice soaked in a qrt of water and stir. then pour the qrt of water into a gallon jug and repeat 3 more times to end up with a gallon of water and clean rice to cook. its supposedly unstable from the high starch in that it doesnt keep for many weeks. iv always used between 7-21 days of making so ive never seen one spoil.

im making a chicken in the crock pot right now and getting ready to make rice. if you need a pictoral

 

[Orphan Crippler]

Well this mix will be use within a week of fermentation so should be fine.
I added on some guys recommendation a teaspoon of basalt rock dust to the ferment now I am not sure that this will accomplish anything but considering that basalt rock dust is not expensive at all I thought I would wing it anyhow.

 

[iHearAll]

i skipped the point of that^^^ my b

that's a good way to revive extended EM for a gallon of microbes.

i use it as a compost activator and spray at the same dilution as everything else 1:100



i did a biodynamic bone thing a few pages back. well it spanned even further because it took so long. but anyhow it was crushed bones i mixed with equal parts bokashi and stuffed in a clay pot and padded with fermented banana peels and then dry peat. i dug a hole in one of my garden beds and lined it with peat and bokashi, placed the clay pot in bed sideways to prevent direct water flow into the pot and burried from fall to spring. i dug it up and dispersed the contents into a square yard because that was what i imagined the volume of bone compost would feed. i planted a sour diesel automatic and managed super duper large colas (for an auto) without anymore phos inputs from planting.. i think ill prep more of that today. i actually used the spent bones from a cal phos extract....