The UK Growers Thread!

Bunduki

Bunduki

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THE KONASSURE said:
actually no thought that would be out of my budget but the train links would be good due to the airport right ?

What kinda price is rent on a 2 bed flat or 2/3 bed house round there ?
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I remember reading about a guy who worked out it was cheaper to lease a flat in Barcelona and commute to London than live there, and he actually did...
I'd check prices just in case you could squeeze that. :P Legal to grow over there, cannabis clubs...
 
zeddd

zeddd

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Bunduki said:
You're totally right that comparing plants in different environments is not scientific, proper testing needs to be done, preferably a side-by-side with 2 clones in identical setups. Ideally, people would have already done that and published the results. But every thread I've found trying to test it gets to about 20-30 pages of people insulting each other until the tester gives up and stops posting shit :P If you can find one that actually finished and published please link me!

The hypothesis is that removing leaves to allow light through to the bottom of the plant stimulates an increase in the growth of lower buds.

Not a single one of those scientists or yourself (that they or you have published to my knowledge) has tested that hypothesis.
So no then, you haven't tested this yourself and you don't know of anyone who's done reliable tests on Defloliation. None of the research I can find on Auxin's disproves it or even tests it.

The major problem with forums is people being unwilling to speculate, test and observe, or even accept that one of their beliefs may be wrong. I, on the other hand, am perfectly willing to admit I can be, if you can provide sufficient proof.

I did think of something reading the research on Auxins too...


7) Abscission (shedding of leaves):

  • Growing leaves & fruits produce a lot of auxin which is transported to the stem and this retards senescence (aging of leaves) and abscission.
  • Shorter days of fall, drought, or the lack of nutrient causes less production of auxin and this begins senescence.
  • A "senescence factor" stimulates cells to form ethylene which produces cellulase (an enzyme that breaks down cellulose) and pectinase.
  • These enzymes digest the middle lamella.
Here's another theory. According to the research done by the scientists you named, growing leaves produce a lot of auxin. Now Defoliation obviously causes your plant to grow new leaves, since you've stripped a lot off. Perhaps rather than the light, the plant is being forced to grow new leaves at the bottom and that localized auxin production boosts the buds nearby.
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Perhaps you should not guess what you don't know
 
theslipperbandit

theslipperbandit

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Erm a link u shard doesn't really show any evidence here's a snippet *****

The effects of three levels of defoliation at four stages of development on leaf production, reproduction probability, fruit production and survival of an understorey palm, Astrocaryum mexicanum here's what it looks like
, were studied from 1978 to 1981. (2) Three portions of the crown were factorized with the partial defoliation treatments. (3) Completely defoliated juvenile and immature palms produced significantly fewer leaves than control plants. In mature palms, the removal of the oldest portions of the crown increased leaf production by 30%. (4) Complete defoliation and the removal of two-thirds of the oldest leaves had the effect of reducing leaf abscission in all stages, except for seedlings. (5) Defoliation had a significant effect on reproduction during all years, except 1978. Completely defoliated palms had a lower probability of reproduction and produced no fruits for three years. The removal of a small proportion of the oldest tissue significantly increased fruit production. Defoliations greater than 33% of the total number of leaves reduced the reproductive capacity of palms, except when the oldest tissue was removed. (6) The survival of totally defoliated juvenile and immature individuals was 50% less than that of undefoliated plants. The survival of mature individuals was not significantly affected by the defoliation.

And the final link ur taking about mother is fucking grapes u ding song. Anyone with a basic understanding of what's going on knows ur a tool
 
zeddd

zeddd

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theslipperbandit said:
All I got is 'theory,' get a few books on botany as already stated n learn the scientific proven methods.

Let me simplify it for u. Consider the leafs the solar panals so without leafs what you gonna do with all that needed clorophills..for u know clorophills give that bitch some enengrr literally Google basic botany that u should of known from school.were actually being super polite but most growers will literally laugh at you..just like flushing. You ever hear of clorophills? Light hits that shit n the clorophills are all like yo let's keep some of this energy n use some to breathe up that horrible relationship with H20 so the oxygen hits the beaten trail( via the stomatas) n the H is saved for later so yeah picking thos leaves just fucks/stuns everything.
Ppl laugh at this shit cuz it's common to fuck this is how photosynthesis happens blood
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First class botany essay
 
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THE KONASSURE

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Bunduki said:
I remember reading about a guy who worked out it was cheaper to lease a flat in Barcelona and commute to London than live there, and he actually did...
I'd check prices just in case you could squeeze that. :P Legal to grow over there, cannabis clubs...
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saying that I have got 2 rent free flats in spain, Malaga would be the easier one to fly too, but I get stress traveling sometimes effects me bad mostly I`m ok

I did look at moving to spain but would just save up and buy something in the sticks or the Hills, My Dad`s parents were from spain
 
zeddd

zeddd

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Seriously this is not the place for noob shit. Yorkie has just told you he grows massive buds why don't you ask him how rather than bend our eyes and patience with your pathetic understanding of basic botany, no one cares and you are being very boring so we may have to ask you to jog on
 
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zeddd

zeddd

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theslipperbandit said:
You try n dumb it down more for him..he's a fucking liberty...best the lads down the hydro shop love that lad
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Lol
Abstract: A total of 21 bacterial isolates (Azotobacter sp., 10 and fluorescent Pseudomonas sp., 11) were isolated from different rhizospheric soils in the vicinity of Aligarh city and characterized as per standard methods. These isolates were further tested for the production of indole acetic acid (IAA) in a medium with 0, 1, 2 and 5 mg/ml of tryptophan. A low amount (2.68-10.80 mg/ml) of IAA production was recorded by Azotobacter strains without tryptophan addition. Seven Azotobacter isolates showed high level (7.3 to 32.8 mg/ml) production of IAA at 5 mg/ml of tryptophan while at 1 and 2 mg/ml the production was in the range of 1.47 to 11.88 and 5.99 to 24.8 mg/ml, respectively. Production of IAA in fluorescent Pseudomonas isolates increased with an increase in tryptophan concentration from 1 to 5 mg/ml in the majority of isolates. In the presence of 5mg/ ml of tryptophan, 5 isolates of Pseudomonas produced high levels (41.0 to 53.2 mg/ml) of IAA while 6 other isolates produced IAA in the range of 23.4 to 36.2 mg/ml. Production of IAA was further confirmed by extraction of crude IAA from 3 isolates of Azotobacter (Azs1, Azs6 and Azs9 ) and three isolates of Pseudomonas (Ps1, Ps4 and Ps7) and subsequent TLC analysis. A specific spot from the extracted IAA preparation was found corresponding with the standard spot of IAA with same Rf value. Pseudomonas isolates (Ps1, Ps4 and Ps7) showed inhibitory effects on the growth of root elongation of Sesbania aculeata and Vigna radiata at all concentrations of tryptophan compared to the control. However, the isolates of Azotobacter (Azs1, Azs6 and Azs9) demonstrated stimulatory effects on both plants. Increasing the concentration of tryptophan from 1 mg/ml to 5 mg/ml resulted in decreased growth in both S. aculeata and V. radiata. On a comparative basis isolate Azs9 was most promising in promoting plant growth. On the other hand, high concentration of exogenous tryptophan could exhibit toxic effects on plant growth n shit
 
bazoomer

bazoomer

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zeddd said:
Lol
Abstract: A total of 21 bacterial isolates (Azotobacter sp., 10 and fluorescent Pseudomonas sp., 11) were isolated from different rhizospheric soils in the vicinity of Aligarh city and characterized as per standard methods. These isolates were further tested for the production of indole acetic acid (IAA) in a medium with 0, 1, 2 and 5 mg/ml of tryptophan. A low amount (2.68-10.80 mg/ml) of IAA production was recorded by Azotobacter strains without tryptophan addition. Seven Azotobacter isolates showed high level (7.3 to 32.8 mg/ml) production of IAA at 5 mg/ml of tryptophan while at 1 and 2 mg/ml the production was in the range of 1.47 to 11.88 and 5.99 to 24.8 mg/ml, respectively. Production of IAA in fluorescent Pseudomonas isolates increased with an increase in tryptophan concentration from 1 to 5 mg/ml in the majority of isolates. In the presence of 5mg/ ml of tryptophan, 5 isolates of Pseudomonas produced high levels (41.0 to 53.2 mg/ml) of IAA while 6 other isolates produced IAA in the range of 23.4 to 36.2 mg/ml. Production of IAA was further confirmed by extraction of crude IAA from 3 isolates of Azotobacter (Azs1, Azs6 and Azs9 ) and three isolates of Pseudomonas (Ps1, Ps4 and Ps7) and subsequent TLC analysis. A specific spot from the extracted IAA preparation was found corresponding with the standard spot of IAA with same Rf value. Pseudomonas isolates (Ps1, Ps4 and Ps7) showed inhibitory effects on the growth of root elongation of Sesbania aculeata and Vigna radiata at all concentrations of tryptophan compared to the control. However, the isolates of Azotobacter (Azs1, Azs6 and Azs9) demonstrated stimulatory effects on both plants. Increasing the concentration of tryptophan from 1 mg/ml to 5 mg/ml resulted in decreased growth in both S. aculeata and V. radiata. On a comparative basis isolate Azs9 was most promising in promoting plant growth. On the other hand, high concentration of exogenous tryptophan could exhibit toxic effects on plant growth n shit
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Ahhhhhhhh......it's all becoming clear now :shock:
 
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