Recycled Organic Living Soil (ROLS) and No Till Thread
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GreenSanta
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I have a 2 or 3 gallons water jog, honestly, like I said, I eyeball, I just sprinkle some powder in there, add water and use it to water mostly vegging plants. My girls go from 1 gal to 7-10 gallons pot, mostly 10s. Also when I water with the seaweed (only once every 7-10 days really) I also grab the plants with my left hand the best I can so that I can poor the seaweed water onto the leader(s) and onto most of the plant... like a hilly billy foliar spray... works great!!!
DonTesla
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I think I have some organic soluble seaweed flour around here, maybe I will try that on one and consider incorporating that into the ol regime, especially this,round since my SIPs are still not up and running and I to be runnin de smaller monkeys once again
Ps. We should Neva grab de plants with our left hand, for in many cultures, the left is dedicated to wiping the bum, as toilet paper is foreign in many places, ahah
..Never know when u might get a job in Columbia, legal to grow 20 monsters there for personal consumption
GreenSanta
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you can try the feed store in your area, they generally carry all that stuff. I love living mulch, in some contexts, but for indoor growing in pots, not so much... My personal preference for indoor in pots is mulch (comfrey, vermicompost, organic hay, whatever ... or all of them mixed together) Often time, I ll sprinkle a tablespoon or 2 of powdered organic soil amendments under the mulch, a handful of worms... That said, I am for the first time experimenting with growing bean plants for spider mites trap.
calliandra
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A question regarding "powder"!
I finally managed to source some kelp (whew haha) - it's not really "powder" but granulated.
I think it'll be great for topdressings - but not sure how I should be handling it for watering and foliars.
Here's how it looks dry, also I just mixed a teaspoon into a glass of water to see how it handles.
My hunch is that it may be good to let the granules soak a while before watering them in?
Question is, how much, how long, especially when it comes to foliars where I'd be straining the granules out.
Watering into the soil isn't a problem, I'd just dump all of it in, so whatever goodies didn't get leached will still be available for breakdown later...
GreenSanta
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That looks nothing like mine, if I mix half a teaspoon of the stuff I have in that glass of water, the wate r would be nearly black and I dont think u could see through. Where did u get it from?
calliandra
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From a German producer called Makana, this stuff is "officially" for feeding to horses. but it's just 100% Ascophyllum Nodosum (at least thats what the label says) chopped up.
Smells of slippery seaside boulders lol
DonBrennon
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Here's a link to what 'Coot' does..........https://buildasoil.com/blogs/news/11759569-diy-instant-kelp-meal-tea-coots-hydrated-kelp-meal-trick
The kelp meal I get looks similar to that, but it is a little darker. If it is Ascophyllum Nodosum it should be good to use IMO and Horse feed supplies are much more strictly regulated than soil amendments here in the EU. Feeds MUST list ALL ingredients, try finding any ingredients on fertilisers over here............no chance, no even on the MSDS's
calliandra
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Ah thank you soo much for ending my headscratching!
This matches my current tendency to serve smoothies perfectly too!
Muah!!
velvet_underground
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Hi! This will be my first grow in over a decade. I decided to go organic because well..... Who the hell wants to use bottled nutrients when you don't have to. I've read most of this thread (my head hurts) but i think i have a pretty decent handle on things. It's going to be a 3x3 tent with LEDs (cobs) grow. While a high yield would be nice it is far from my top priority as this is only for myself. Bud quality and taste is at the top of my list. Please tell me if i'm off base with anything.
I'll be using 5 gallon buckets (veg 3-4 weeks) and dumping and re-ammending the soil after each cycle and rotating with a fresh batch. I suppose that's more ROLS than 'no till'.
My soil will be 1:1:1 Peat/vermicompost/pumice
The amendments for my first go will be from the BuildASoil folks. I'll gather my own as i get a grow under my belt and learn. You can read all day but wont know shit until you actually do it.
I will basically mix the soil and amendments per instructions and moisten (not drench) the soil with a compost tea (1 cup of VC with some BS molasses bubbled a little over 24 hrs). I will let that cook for a month or so.
This leads to my first question. After the initial moistening with the compost tea do i keep the soil moist with plain water? or more compost tea? I'm assuming it'd be fine with regular water since the tea will be doing it's business from the get go..
My plan is to water my plants with just plain RO water for the most part (eventually get blumats) and supplement with a little aloe and enzyme tea here and there, nothing crazy. I also plan on using a vermicompost topdressing in each bucket. My goal is to keep things as simple as possible.
Earlier in the thread i saw the use of Bioag "Ful-Power" and "Pro-Tekt", I'm assuming this is not necessary, correct?
Of course I will look at the plant's for any type of deficiency and act according if a problem arises (teas, etc..)
Does this all sound correct? Thanks so much for such an informative thread.
I'll be using 5 gallon buckets (veg 3-4 weeks) and dumping and re-ammending the soil after each cycle and rotating with a fresh batch. I suppose that's more ROLS than 'no till'.
My soil will be 1:1:1 Peat/vermicompost/pumice
The amendments for my first go will be from the BuildASoil folks. I'll gather my own as i get a grow under my belt and learn. You can read all day but wont know shit until you actually do it.
I will basically mix the soil and amendments per instructions and moisten (not drench) the soil with a compost tea (1 cup of VC with some BS molasses bubbled a little over 24 hrs). I will let that cook for a month or so.
This leads to my first question. After the initial moistening with the compost tea do i keep the soil moist with plain water? or more compost tea? I'm assuming it'd be fine with regular water since the tea will be doing it's business from the get go..
My plan is to water my plants with just plain RO water for the most part (eventually get blumats) and supplement with a little aloe and enzyme tea here and there, nothing crazy. I also plan on using a vermicompost topdressing in each bucket. My goal is to keep things as simple as possible.
Earlier in the thread i saw the use of Bioag "Ful-Power" and "Pro-Tekt", I'm assuming this is not necessary, correct?
Of course I will look at the plant's for any type of deficiency and act according if a problem arises (teas, etc..)
Does this all sound correct? Thanks so much for such an informative thread.
bizfactory
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Living Soil + COBs + Blumats is my recipe for success, so great choices there 
After the initial tea, RO water should be fine to keep it moist. Inoculating the soil with microbes from the tea is the idea.
As for Ful-Power, many of us use it. Absolutely necessary? Nah. Do I think it's helped my plants? Yes. Did I do a side-by-side with and without? No, all anecdotal.
After the initial tea, RO water should be fine to keep it moist. Inoculating the soil with microbes from the tea is the idea.
As for Ful-Power, many of us use it. Absolutely necessary? Nah. Do I think it's helped my plants? Yes. Did I do a side-by-side with and without? No, all anecdotal.
velvet_underground
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Thanks Biz.. I'm all for Ful-Power if it helps! It would be applied per bottle instructions approx once a week?
Thanks for the nod to my choice of growing tools!
It would be applied per bottle instructions approx once a week?Thanks for the nod to my choice of growing tools!
bizfactory
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Yeah the bottles instructions are good. I probably go on the lighter side so I can foliar and drench with the same batch.Thanks Biz.. I'm all for Ful-Power if it helps!
Thanks for the nod to my choice of growing tools!
Yes you can...but if you are using quality earthworm castings, you'll eventually end up with them anyways. They will help with nutrient availability, I don't know why you'd try to avoid them.
velvet_underground
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I've got another question if someone wouldn't mind answering.. I know 5 gallon pots aren't ideal for organic growing and bigger would be better but at least for now it is what i plan to use! That said, i understand i can't veg them for too given the size of the containers. Is 3 - 4 weeks veg reasonable when using 5 gallon pots with living soil?
GreenSanta
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I wouldnt veg. 12/12 from seeds, you must transplant as seedlings though. Thats what I would do. The other thing is 5 gallon can be enough with the living soil but you will probably need to feed teas.
velvet_underground
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Hmmm.. thanks for the tip! Now you have me thinking that maybe 7 or 10 gallon containers might be the way to go since I'm only going to have 3 or 4 plants in a 3x3 space. Sure, I could use teas if need be but I'm looking for minimal fuss so it's looking like bigger is better. Thanks for the knowledge!
GreenSanta
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Yes buddy 4 x 10 gal pots will rock that space, I have grown a lot in a 3x3 space and I find u gotta do 1 giant pot, or 4 x 10 gal ( or7s, I like to use 10s, fill em 2/3 of the way up, gives me room for lots of mulch and or a future top dress around week 3 of flower if it looks like the plant is going to need it) or I have even squeezed 9 x 7 gal smart pot in that space. Right now though I have a SIP in my 3x3 tent and it's looking like it's going to yield awesome with not that much light. The SIP is looking to be not only the best yielding method but also the least amount of work. I'm on round number 2 in one of my SIP and the plant is looking great, I hope I can do 3 rounds before taking it apart and see what it looks like in the reservoir.
velvet_underground
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10 Gallon pots it is! Thanks guys.