calliandra
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Ah inconclusive tests ... bothersome! but hey, very relieved there was no explosion!
From scratch only! No premixed bottles of "stuff"
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HarvesterPdx
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Started using this for outdoor this season, would brew 30 gallons at a time...
VEGG RECIPE
Nutrient Tea
2 gallons water in 5 gallon bucket with air stones + pump
(measure light not to over due it)
Vegg:
Tbspn Molasses
Tbspn Kelp Meal
Tbspn Neem Seed Meal
Tbspn All Purpose
2 tspns Nitro Liquid Fish
Tspn Humic Acid
2 tspns Nitro Bat Guano
Tspn Oyster Shell Powder
Tspn Liquid Kelp
Brew for one day then add 1 cup of earth worm castings.
Brew for 3 days total.
Do not add anything to the tea.
Keep cool in hot tempatures with frozen milk gallons.
Strain and Feed
* for 20 gallons of tea use:
10 tablspns of molasses, kelp meal, neem seed meal, all purpose fertilizer.
20 teaspoons of liquid fish, 10 teaspoons of humic acid, 20 tspns of nitro bat guano, 10 tspns of oyster shell powder, 10 tspns of liquid kelp
10 cups of earthworm castings
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HarvesterPdx
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I used this this outdoor season...I liked it! it worked well for me...
Bloom Recipe
NutrientTea
2 gallons water in 5 gallon bucket with air stones and pump
Flower:
Tbspn Molasses
Tbspn Cal-Mag
Tbspn All Purpose
Tbspn Kelp meal
Tbspn Neem meal
Tspn Nitro Bat Guano
Tspn Phosphorus Bat Guano
Tspn Liquid Fish Nitro
Tspn Humic Acid
Tspn Oyster Shell Powder
Tspn Liquid Kelp
Tspn Rock Dust + Azomite
Brew for 1 day then add 1 cup of worm castings. Continue to brew for 3 days total.
Strain and Feed
*cheat* for 20 gallons: 10 tbspns of molasses, cal-mag, all purpose, kelp meal, neem meal.
10 tspns of Nitro bat guano, phosphorus bat guano, liquid fish nitro, humic acid, oyster shell powder, liquid kelp, rock dust, azomite.
10 cups of earth wormcastings
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iHearAll
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do you tea bag your ingredients of let them roll around in the water?
HarvesterPdx
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well I had wanted to add ingrediants into a panty hose leg but was told not to..so I brewed and strained it through cheesecloth...why
iHearAll
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j/w
i dont use bat guano and other powdered feeds very much so im just pickin yo brains. seein what you get away with. whenever i dont use a tea bag i get a nasty brewer but i use a vortex brewer and it's just cumbersome and a chore to clean sediment out of. so lately ive just been using fermented extracts (which are liquids of course). ill just top dress the containers with bokashi for some slow release feed. but ill prob go with the tea bag again for this crop i just started and my outdoors garden. im doing a bunch of container cucumbers and theyre pretty hungry looking now since this hurricane just flushed out my soil.
HarvesterPdx
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iHearAll
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well it's not a no till soil if that's what you mean by living soil. but it's very much alive by inoculation and a specific type of composting.
in a nutshell:
i ferment nutrient rich material (kitchen waste) in bokashi, which is just a fermented substrate that houses beneficial microorganisms.
the fermented scraps get composted either directly in the soil by worms over two weeks minimum and i plant directly into this (good for outdoors raised bed)
or i aerobically compost this into yard waste at a 2:1 c/n ratio with bokashi in between every layer. the yard waste is what i consider carbon of course. this compost is fed weekly with probiotic "activators". like fermented rice wash or potato wash or kombucha etc etc humic acid tea, bd500 tea, that kind of stuff. i usually try and go overkill so i dont get sick from handling composting materials (normally pretty pathogenic to play with hands on). i consider this compost ready in 3 weeks if i give it optimal conditions (moist, thoroughly mixed every week)
the compost ends up blooming with white molds and if it is an exposed pile it tends to grow mushrooms on the circumference where it isnt burning hot.
i raise african night crawler worms for their bathroom smarts (the poop on the surface away from their bedding and such but are NOT frost tolerant at all which is why you dont see them in north america)
i apply bokashi in the soil
i use legumes in between crops or every other crop depending on my supplies and use legume's roots and the surrounding soil as my sandy loam for mixing.
i harvest wild peat and wild leaf mold from my local forests as my aeration
i also make 3 wk ready leaf compost and apply beneficial microorganism from the get. i do this in a storage container with tons of holes drilled into and i cram leaves into it, gently bounce on the leaves to pack in REALY well, keep moist and feed/reapply microorganisms and keep covered with the lid. turn once a week or more but repack ever time you turn. i also add bd500 to this
bd500 is just manure that was stuffed in a horn and burried from fall to spring in a hummus rich soil/peat. the result is a hummus based compost activator and is next to free to make. a bamboo tube works in place of the horn and adding a small amount of bokashi seems to help.
i'm pretty spontaneous tho so you find some quirky things going on in my garden. hope this makes sense^^
in a nutshell:
i ferment nutrient rich material (kitchen waste) in bokashi, which is just a fermented substrate that houses beneficial microorganisms.
the fermented scraps get composted either directly in the soil by worms over two weeks minimum and i plant directly into this (good for outdoors raised bed)
or i aerobically compost this into yard waste at a 2:1 c/n ratio with bokashi in between every layer. the yard waste is what i consider carbon of course. this compost is fed weekly with probiotic "activators". like fermented rice wash or potato wash or kombucha etc etc humic acid tea, bd500 tea, that kind of stuff. i usually try and go overkill so i dont get sick from handling composting materials (normally pretty pathogenic to play with hands on). i consider this compost ready in 3 weeks if i give it optimal conditions (moist, thoroughly mixed every week)
the compost ends up blooming with white molds and if it is an exposed pile it tends to grow mushrooms on the circumference where it isnt burning hot.
i raise african night crawler worms for their bathroom smarts (the poop on the surface away from their bedding and such but are NOT frost tolerant at all which is why you dont see them in north america)
i apply bokashi in the soil
i use legumes in between crops or every other crop depending on my supplies and use legume's roots and the surrounding soil as my sandy loam for mixing.
i harvest wild peat and wild leaf mold from my local forests as my aeration
i also make 3 wk ready leaf compost and apply beneficial microorganism from the get. i do this in a storage container with tons of holes drilled into and i cram leaves into it, gently bounce on the leaves to pack in REALY well, keep moist and feed/reapply microorganisms and keep covered with the lid. turn once a week or more but repack ever time you turn. i also add bd500 to this
bd500 is just manure that was stuffed in a horn and burried from fall to spring in a hummus rich soil/peat. the result is a hummus based compost activator and is next to free to make. a bamboo tube works in place of the horn and adding a small amount of bokashi seems to help.
i'm pretty spontaneous tho so you find some quirky things going on in my garden. hope this makes sense^^
iHearAll
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https://www.rollitup.org/t/sustainable-organics-grow.923463/
this journal in the link i just started today but it isnt a talk-and-grow journal so ill post occasionally about it in this thread as it becomes more interesting.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/moxie-og-outdoors-to-indoors.913772/page-2#post-12862032
this^ link is what im finishing up
https://www.rollitup.org/t/jupiter-og.917955/
and this^^ link im in the middle of
i do make mistakes of course
this journal in the link i just started today but it isnt a talk-and-grow journal so ill post occasionally about it in this thread as it becomes more interesting.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/moxie-og-outdoors-to-indoors.913772/page-2#post-12862032
this^ link is what im finishing up
https://www.rollitup.org/t/jupiter-og.917955/
and this^^ link im in the middle of
i do make mistakes of course
calliandra
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Ah this sounds very interesting!
In what form do you add the microorganisms? do you add bokashi to this too?
And does your lid have aeration holes too or do you keep it closed up top?
I'm about to try out what Herwig Pommeresche calls "erdisieren" (in German) which would translate to "soilifying" haha
You need finely chopped & wrung out kitchen scraps and garden soil (lol I'm assuming, IF it's anywhere near the biological content of HIS soil!) or halfcompost, point being that it already has lots of microorganisms in it.
All you do is mix the scraps and the soil 1:1, add some eggshell or lime, making sure all scraps are thoroughly mixed in. Pommeresche screens it or puts it in a cement tumbler (depending on amounts) to make sure there are no clumps that would encourage anaerobic processes. It's just kept in a container with holes in the bottom, in the cellar or even in the house.
After about 3 days he already uses that mix to grow cresses, after 2-3 weeks it's ready for use.
iHearAll
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hey that's sounds pretty familiar
i do not put hole in the lid. i add fermented liquids and layer in bokashi when i first make it. a typical fermented liquid for is rinsing a cup of rice in a gallon of water before cooking for a meal. the gallon of water can be in a tub or large bowl and the rice can be just stirred around with a spoon to help it get washed. after letting it sit out for a few minutes to make sure its clean and there is no chlorine, i pour this into a gallon just, add 1 tablespoon of EMexteneded and one tablespoon of molasses. seal, turn the jug over and over to get it mixed, and ferment it at room temperature for one week. then i just pour it over the compost or leaf compost.
aerated bokashi tea works
humic acid (or hummmus) tea helps it kick as well.
He's just adding heat to the equation.
When you grab firmly temperature as the cofactor who truly decides who thrives and who dies (water carbon based life forms) you will be ready to restart from scratch ^
calliandra
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And your bokashi:leaves proportion is?hey that's sounds pretty familiar
i do not put hole in the lid. i add fermented liquids and layer in bokashi when i first make it. a typical fermented liquid for is rinsing a cup of rice in a gallon of water before cooking for a meal. the gallon of water can be in a tub or large bowl and the rice can be just stirred around with a spoon to help it get washed. after letting it sit out for a few minutes to make sure its clean and there is no chlorine, i pour this into a gallon just, add 1 tablespoon of EMexteneded and one tablespoon of molasses. seal, turn the jug over and over to get it mixed, and ferment it at room temperature for one week. then i just pour it over the compost or leaf compost.
aerated bokashi tea works
humic acid (or hummmus) tea helps it kick as well.
One thing I don't get, why add more fermented stuff if the bokashi is fermented too?
And do you lift the lid often? I imagine the fermented stuff will start the process going pretty quickly, and fresh air will be required? Does yours heat up? Could earthworms feel ok in it?
LMAO questions over questions!
Cheers!
iHearAll
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all good.And your bokashi:leaves proportion is?
One thing I don't get, why add more fermented stuff if the bokashi is fermented too?
And do you lift the lid often? I imagine the fermented stuff will start the process going pretty quickly, and fresh air will be required? Does yours heat up? Could earthworms feel ok in it?
LMAO questions over questions!
Cheers!
yes I'v used the final product as earthworm bedding. works pretty great.
i havent added worms to the leaf mold/compost deal directly because i turn it so frequently. i dont want to accidentally chop my pets up with a shovel or fork. the amount of it theyd eat would be negligible anyway.
so in regards to the bokashi AND the fermented liquids it's a biological haven. all of my inputs i acquire for free aside from the mother culture of EM1 and molasses. the peat i forage (90% of the time), coffee grinds i get from the coffee shops, beer grains i get from brewing my beer, those are the kinds of things i like to ferment. so as i get these things i can either hold on to them and use sparingly or i can just throw this stuff (methodically) everywhere and still come out with more than i need. the addition of fermented liquids guarantees that ill have microorganisms throughout the entire material as well as adding some nitrogen.
before
then i added some of this more matured leaf compost over top just to give them some more bedding for a while. i have plenty of vermicastings that im just trying to make them happier folks.
here's the lower tier of worms
notice how they're crapping on the surface yo
i spray this with EMe and molasses as well .. especially important since i handle it with my bare hands
i also applied roach/fly larvae eating nematodes a while back. i havent got a clue if they're still present, especially since thing thing flooded since then. oh yea and i lift the lid only once a day or every other day. theres so much extra air space in my tub that they dont seem to mind. nobody is ever trying to escape at least
calliandra
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Ah OK thank you for that! (sun of understanding rising in the background)
With that ratio I imagine you have to add the ferment to get those leaves broken down quickly...
Actually... could those ferments alone compost stuff?
I love your wormbin for its simplicity btw!
With that ratio I imagine you have to add the ferment to get those leaves broken down quickly...
Actually... could those ferments alone compost stuff?
I love your wormbin for its simplicity btw!
calliandra
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Nothing specific yet tbh just scoping the possibilities fermenting can unlock in small spaces
Now bone sounds very interesting indeed!
I don't eat much meat but had a spare ribs spree a few weeks ago and kept the bones, not really knowing how to get those to become soil haha
So how would I go about getting those fermented? do I need to roast & get them chopped somehow?
I'd like to try that to get a bit more of a feel for fermenting!
iHearAll
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i would broil or roast over a fire until blackened. you dont need to clean the off prior. just move the rack up to the top so the bones get toasted up quickly (30 mins or so). then cool, smash with a hammer on cementNothing specific yet tbh just scoping the possibilities fermenting can unlock in small spaces
Now bone sounds very interesting indeed!
I don't eat much meat but had a spare ribs spree a few weeks ago and kept the bones, not really knowing how to get those to become soil haha
So how would I go about getting those fermented? do I need to roast & get them chopped somehow?
I'd like to try that to get a bit more of a feel for fermenting!
and mix with equal weight in vinegar mark this level with a pencil. cover loosely with a lid for one - two weeks. if the level has decreased from evaporation the top it off to the mark.save these bones and mix with a small amount of bokashi. stuff in a small clay pot (or bamboo tube, or bull horn) and pad the face with peat. dig a hole in a nice garden bed add a little peat or leaf mold to the hole. bury you conainer of bones for two-three months. dig up and distribute where you want phos. you'll find you can crumble this up really easily.
excessive sounding right? you can also skip the initial calphos extraction and roasting and just beat with a hammer some then soak in vinegar until the vinegar naturally has evaporated. mix with bokashi and bury in that same manor. you can get creative with how you do it. these are just some ways I've tried with success.
calliandra
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The first part basically is just like the stuff I made with the eggshellsi would broil or roast over a fire until blackened. you dont need to clean the off prior. just move the rack up to the top so the bones get toasted up quickly (30 mins or so). then cool, smash with a hammer on cement
save these bones and mix with a small amount of bokashi. stuff in a small clay pot (or bamboo tube, or bull horn) and pad the face with peat. dig a hole in a nice garden bed add a little peat or leaf mold to the hole. bury you conainer of bones for two-three months. dig up and distribute where you want phos. you'll find you can crumble this up really easily.
excessive sounding right? you can also skip the initial calphos extraction and roasting and just beat with a hammer some then soak in vinegar until the vinegar naturally has evaporated. mix with bokashi and bury in that same manor. you can get creative with how you do it. these are just some ways I've tried with success.View attachment 3803750
But that burying part sounds a bit like Steiner's biodynamics, he does that with cow manure...
So basically we're softening the bone up a bit so the micros in the bokashi can get at it, is that right?