Ttystikk's vertical goodness

[SSGrower]

Being a technical ass hole as I am, electrecity in heat out. Cool shit sorry I'm slow to catch up been away for a while.

 

[SSGrower]

All you need for gravity is mass.

Get a critical mass behind the movement.

 

[ttystikk]

So I'm feeling stupid again tt, this isn't the system that provides cooling to your garden via a water chiller that I assume sits outside?

You've landed in the mind warp corner of grow engineering, brother. I take the heat my HVAC system removes from the grow spaces and use it to stay warm.

Pretty slick, huh? What if I told you I had an even better trick up my sleeve?

 

[ttystikk]

All you need for gravity is mass.

Get a critical mass behind the movement.

Oh, fuck no dude- that's planetary. Just spin the station and voila- instant gravity!

 

[Sire Killem All]

Okay so it seems like the idea of using a humidifier to pull the water out of the air and recycling the water, I thought about it before but was deterred by people talking about airborne bacteria and such growing in the water. So my question is beyond cleanliness how are you keeping airborne bacteria and such out of the water? I always figured it would have EC of 0 since you are essentially condensating it out of the air.

 

[ttystikk]

Okay so it seems like the idea of using a humidifier to pull the water out of the air and recycling the water, I thought about it before but was deterred by people talking about airborne bacteria and such growing in the water. So my question is beyond cleanliness how are you keeping airborne bacteria and such out of the water? I always figured it would have EC of 0 since you are essentially condensating it out of the air.

Right idea, wrong equipment. A swamp cooler adds water to the air to cool. I'm using water cooled air handlers, think radiators with blowers pushing air through them.

If you will, the plants themselves are swamp coolers, transpiring liquid water into vapor. In so doing they also draw up nutrients and thus metabolize. Encouraging the plant to transpire freely is essential to optimum growth. They absorb the heat from the light source, while the spectrum is absorbed and converted through photosynthesis.

These WCAH radiators are fed with cold water and thus adsorb heat from the space. Since the water temperature in the radiators is below dew point, they also sweat lots of moisture. In fact, moving this water load is a large percentage of the total HVAC load the room exerts on my cooling system.

Working together, the plants load the environment with water vapor and the WCAH removes it, and returns it to the tank where it can be mixed into nutrient solution again and again- and again.

 

[GreenSanta]

Something goes in, 3 things to be accurate , salt based fertilizer, electricity, and you. Something goes out too, en product, and a lot of it I bet! Lol

Just something you said I don't know how u grow it's my first time popping by but a lot of the water my dehums arw pulling is from water evaporating the pots, not strictly plants transporting.

I do use the water from my dehums but if it goes into the drain bucket u can have algae or nasty stuff growing in there u really want to have the water going in a bucket like u that u can clean easy.

One thing I always wanted to try was to hook my dehums to a blumat system and now I'm asking myself why I have not done it yet.

 

[Frajola]

Ok...

That's reclaim water, it's coming from the units that remove moisture from the air. If the room is sealed, there's nowhere else for all that transpired water to go, right?

So, into the barrel it goes. But since it's been transpired, it's pure water. Hence EC 0.0 on the meter. So why not mix your nutes into THAT? Damn straight, that's why there's two cans; the reclaim water drains into one while the other holds the nutrient solution. Use up the nutes and strangely enough, the other barrel is full and ready.

CLOSED LOOP. You not only don't need an RO filter, you barely even need to add water at all.

I add dry nutrient salts, very easy to do in such soft water.

I add co2 in the form of tanks, monitor, controller and regulator.

Sealed room agriculture is pretty nifty. Who knew?

Basic u got destiled water. Is that right?

 

[ttystikk]

Basic u got destiled water. Is that right?

That's right. No need for RO, I don't even add hardly any from outside the room at all. When one tub is full I add nutes and pH balance and that becomes the watering solution. Meanwhile, fresh water continues to run into the other barrel, filling it. By the time the solution barrel is is used up, the condensate barrel has filled and I just switch the water to the other tank, add nutes and repeat.

Those trash cans are 32 gallons and the room fills one in less than two days. That's even with the lights off half the time. Think about the plant metabolism making that happen.

@GreenSanta yes I'm sure I do get some evaporation from the tops of my buckets, but that surface area is dwarfed by that of the plants in them. The plants drink up to two gallons of water a day... EACH.

 

[gr865]

I am just wondering what the pH of your reclaim water is?

My rainwater was 2 ppm and pH of 6.7.
The RO I use is 5 ppm and Ph of 5.65.
My tap water is 775 to 850 ppm and pH of 8.6
When I switched to Canna nutes they suggested I not use straight rain water or RO, that I should add some of my tap to raise the ppm level to 120 ppm. Did that the last part of this grow and will do it in future grows.

 

[SSGrower]

What if I told you I had an even better trick up my sleeve?

I like guessing games, I'll start with
a separate circuit for direct cooling cobs?

 

[redi jedi]

Right idea, wrong equipment. A swamp cooler adds water to the air to cool. I'm using water cooled air handlers, think radiators with blowers pushing air through them.

If you will, the plants themselves are swamp coolers, transpiring liquid water into vapor. In so doing they also draw up nutrients and thus metabolize. Encouraging the plant to transpire freely is essential to optimum growth. They absorb the heat from the light source, while the spectrum is absorbed and converted through photosynthesis.

These WCAH radiators are fed with cold water and thus adsorb heat from the space. Since the water temperature in the radiators is below dew point, they also sweat lots of moisture. In fact, moving this water load is a large percentage of the total HVAC load the room exerts on my cooling system.

Working together, the plants load the environment with water vapor and the WCAH removes it, and returns it to the tank where it can be mixed into nutrient solution again and again- and again.

All that typing and you still didn't say you should sterilize condensate you want to reuse. Cause you should. Not a big deal when the equipment is new, or if you keep it clean.

 

[Frajola]

That's right. No need for RO, I don't even add hardly any from outside the room at all. When one tub is full I add nutes and pH balance and that becomes the watering solution. Meanwhile, fresh water continues to run into the other barrel, filling it. By the time the solution barrel is is used up, the condensate barrel has filled and I just switch the water to the other tank, add nutes and repeat.

Those trash cans are 32 gallons and the room fills one in less than two days. That's even with the lights off half the time. Think about the plant metabolism making that happen.

@GreenSanta yes I'm sure I do get some evaporation from the tops of my buckets, but that surface area is dwarfed by that of the plants in them. The plants drink up to two gallons of water a day... EACH.

Not just saving some $, U got H2O , no public sanitation's chemicals in it, only H2O. Like rain, lol.

 

[ttystikk]

All that typing and you still didn't say you should sterilize condensate you want to reuse. Cause you should. Not a big deal when the equipment is new, or if you keep it clean.

I reuse it so quickly it doesn't have a chance to go off. I'm no longer in RDWC, so all those headaches go by the wayside as well.

 

[texasjack]

Ok...

That's reclaim water, it's coming from the units that remove moisture from the air. If the room is sealed, there's nowhere else for all that transpired water to go, right?

So, into the barrel it goes. But since it's been transpired, it's pure water. Hence EC 0.0 on the meter. So why not mix your nutes into THAT? Damn straight, that's why there's two cans; the reclaim water drains into one while the other holds the nutrient solution. Use up the nutes and strangely enough, the other barrel is full and ready.

CLOSED LOOP. You not only don't need an RO filter, you barely even need to add water at all.

I add dry nutrient salts, very easy to do in such soft water.

I add co2 in the form of tanks, monitor, controller and regulator.

Sealed room agriculture is pretty nifty. Who knew?

Ok, that's amazing. From a science background I really like it. From a stoner background I fucking love it!

 

[texasjack]

That's right. No need for RO, I don't even add hardly any from outside the room at all. When one tub is full I add nutes and pH balance and that becomes the watering solution. Meanwhile, fresh water continues to run into the other barrel, filling it. By the time the solution barrel is is used up, the condensate barrel has filled and I just switch the water to the other tank, add nutes and repeat.

Those trash cans are 32 gallons and the room fills one in less than two days. That's even with the lights off half the time. Think about the plant metabolism making that happen.

@GreenSanta yes I'm sure I do get some evaporation from the tops of my buckets, but that surface area is dwarfed by that of the plants in them. The plants drink up to two gallons of water a day... EACH.

Don't forget breath. We let a significant amount of water out ourselves.

 

[a mongo frog]

Pretty slick, huh? What if I told you I had an even better trick up my sleeve?

Yea its slick!!!! But whats up the sleeve? I believe i know what it is and thats fucking a great idea!!!!!

 

[Frajola]

That's right. No need for RO, I don't even add hardly any from outside the room at all. When one tub is full I add nutes and pH balance and that becomes the watering solution. Meanwhile, fresh water continues to run into the other barrel, filling it. By the time the solution barrel is is used up, the condensate barrel has filled and I just switch the water to the other tank, add nutes and repeat.

Those trash cans are 32 gallons and the room fills one in less than two days. That's even with the lights off half the time. Think about the plant metabolism making that happen.

@GreenSanta yes I'm sure I do get some evaporation from the tops of my buckets, but that surface area is dwarfed by that of the plants in them. The plants drink up to two gallons of water a day... EACH.

Saving water could be a very good first step for the human kind , and growers too. Over here the state already asked to every one to save water, we haven't had enough rain this whole year. The amount of water that came out from my ac is near 0. Drought!

 

[redi jedi]

I reuse it so quickly it doesn't have a chance to go off. I'm no longer in RDWC, so all those headaches go by the wayside as well.

Its not a rdwc issue. Like I was saying, your equipment is new...and clean. Those air handlers will eventually get dirty. That dirt is what could contaminant your condensate.

 

[MildGro]

Sounds like the only thing missing here is some aquaponics