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Vnsmkr

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My girl told me "its me and th kids or drugs".
I quit weed cigarettes and crank same day.
I was drinking energy drinks like crazy 2-3 of the 24 oz ones daily for a few yrs along with coffee and drinking like crazy too.
My best friend died in a car wreck where he was a passenger and another friend was drunk driving.
I quit drinking after that for almost 2 yrs, but am now able to drink in moderation.
Crazy thing was quitting drinking almost killed me, I ended up in the hospital and on Valiums.
I hated them and only took hem for 2 weeks.
I bet weed would have worked as well as the pills.
homemade crank was common around where I grew up. As a matter of fact some of my roommates used to get from a buddy of theirs at the paint shop who cooked it himself. I did some from about 20 - 23. Then Later in life when I lived in the South, I sold a bit of it and had friends who sold a lot a bit of it in a more refined form. I am fortunate to have a very strong will as I went off the deep end for a few years, crashed enough to lose everything I had, and got myself back up. I enjoyed the staying up aspect, crazy shit. Coke I didnt like as it was too "speedy" for me funny enough. I know alot of people who just wrecked their lives full stop so we are some of the fortunate ones. I used to always have a pocket full of valiums, soma, xanax bars to go along with the cocktail. Thats been more than 12 years ago now, different chapter in my life, but also one I learned alot about myself from.
 

bassman999

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homemade crank was common around where I grew up. As a matter of fact some of my roommates used to get from a buddy of theirs at the paint shop who cooked it himself. I did some from about 20 - 23. Then Later in life when I lived in the South, I sold a bit of it and had friends who sold a lot a bit of it in a more refined form. I am fortunate to have a very strong will as I went off the deep end for a few years, crashed enough to lose everything I had, and got myself back up. I enjoyed the staying up aspect, crazy shit. Coke I didnt like as it was too "speedy" for me funny enough. I know alot of people who just wrecked their lives full stop so we are some of the fortunate ones. I used to always have a pocket full of valiums, soma, xanax bars to go along with the cocktail. Thats been more than 12 years ago now, different chapter in my life, but also one I learned alot about myself from.
Glad we were some of the few that were ale to kick that demon!
I wouldnt wish addiction on anyone!
 

Lucky Luke

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Only 43 . Degenerative disc disease and several other spine issues.
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Off topic i know but:
Ive suffered from this as well..weirdly the bone regenerated after Degeneration of the disk. I lost 3/4 of the disk and decades later its a full disk again-albeit a weak one.

Was your dad in Vietnam? Its an uncommon disease for the children of Vietnam vets caused by agent orange exposure. (damn Defoliants!!!)

https://www.britannica.com/science/Agent-Orange
 
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bassman999

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Off topic i know but:
Ive suffered from this as well..weirdly the bone regenerated after Degeneration of the disk. I lost 3/4 of the disk and decades later its a full disk again-albeit a weak one.

Was your dad in Vietnam? Its an uncommon disease for the children of Vietnam vets caused by agent orange exposure. (damn Defoliants!!!)

https://www.britannica.com/science/Agent-Orange
No, I was under the impression I got it from my car accident.
Dr said the damage to it from wreck and yrs of overdoing it in the gym started arthritis and DDD.
I know nothing about it though.
Was you dad in VN in the war and exposed?
What have you done to repair it?
 

Lucky Luke

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No, I was under the impression I got it from my car accident.
Dr said the damage to it from wreck and yrs of overdoing it in the gym started arthritis and DDD.
I know nothing about it though.
Was you dad in VN in the war and exposed?
What have you done to repair it?
He did two tours in Vietnam as an Australian solder/photographer so yes he was.

I drunk huge amounts of milk. (2 litres a day for over a decade which lead to 2 bouts of kidney stones). Not from doctors advice it just made sense to me. Not sure if it helped or not but im happy to say that i wont be ending up in a chair like i could of.
 
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jrock420

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I never liked coke it always seemed like the high was sitting there thinking about the next line and so on. I really liked pills and alcohol for a few years. Mostly xanax or any benzos. After I was about 16 I lived outside chicago and heroin was everywhere. Tried it a few times and loved it but kids were dropping like flies from that shit. I must have know at least 10 kids under 18 who overdosed and died. That's about when I moved into lsd and mushrooms. I had my spell with pills and booze in my early 20s wasted a good 2 years of my life to that bullshit and boy I seemed to really treat people horrible on xanax and alcohol. Said and did some of the meanest shit. I remember hearing a story of how I tipped a pizza boy and he said something I think thank you, I took it wrong and told him lemme see the tip. Took the cash and gave him the change. The worst part was me all fucked up I told the guy "keep the change you filthy animal". Guess that's why I tip pizza boys really well these days lol. No one deserves to be treated like that tho and I'm a really jolly guy. Amazing the way drugs can change a person in such a short time.
 

bassman999

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He did two tours in Vietnam as an Australian solder/photographer so yes he was.

I drunk huge amounts of milk. (2 litres a day for over a decade which lead to 2 bouts of kidney stones). Not from doctors advice it just made sense to me. Not sure if it helped or not but im happy to say that i wont be ending up in a chair like i could of.
I have milk every day, but not that much,
A few large bowls of bran flakes a day.

I read that the disc pan lessens as the disc gets worse. This makes no sense to me, but wondering if you have imaging done that shows they are better, or you are just having less pain?
 

Lucky Luke

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I have milk every day, but not that much,
A few large bowls of bran flakes a day.

I read that the disc pan lessens as the disc gets worse. This makes no sense to me, but wondering if you have imaging done that shows they are better, or you are just having less pain?
I found the pain got worse but not as often or for as long. I think its because the muscles get stronger in that area over time.

I vary rarely have any pain that goes longer than a day or so. Although year before last I could barley walk and was in huge pain for two- thee weeks after stepping out of the shower and having one foot on the floor and one on a bath mat- can be really small things that does set it off. Real bad grinding bone type pain with leg spasms. In the early days Id get a bout of pain for weeks.

Was very scary for my parents watching the disc slowing degenerate on the xrays and scans. I went from a very active kid who was a state soccer player, sponsored BMX rider and competitive swimmer to not being allowed to do anything.

I still get debilitating back pain from time to time (every year or so) and lots of little aches and niggles but i can live with that. And its normally only for a short time.

And yes i had scans and xrays done about two years ago. Disk has been filled in with a calcium growth/deposit. May fuse the disks at some point in time its also not as strong as bone of cause and i do have arthritis there but its allot better than what could of been.
Goodluck with your problem. and I hope you get a good end result to.
 
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bassman999

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I found the pain got worse but not as often or for as long. I think its because the muscles get stronger in that area over time.

I vary rarely have any pain that goes longer than a day or so. Although year before last I could barley walk and was in huge pain for two- thee weeks after stepping out of the shower and having one foot on the floor and one on a bath mat- can be really small things that does set it off. Real bad grinding bone type pain with leg spasms. In the early days Id get a bout of pain for weeks.

Was very scary for my parents watching the disc slowing degenerate on the xrays and scans. I went from a very active kid who was a state soccer player, sponsored BMX rider and competitive swimmer to not being allowed to do anything.

I still get debilitating back pain from time to time (every year or so) and lots of little aches and niggles but i can live with that. And its normally only for a short time.

And yes i had scans and xrays done about two years ago. Disk has been filled in with a calcium growth/deposit. May fuse the disks at some point in time its also not as strong as bone of cause and i do have arthritis there but its allot better than what could of been.
Goodluck with your problem. and I hope you get a good end result to.
How old are you?

I have had back pain since car wreck in 93
On disability for a yr and wasnt better fully.
Denied SSI initially so went to work and had to deal with it.
Had hard job like maintenance worker and auto service and electrician.

Started to feel better over the yrs but always had trouble sleeping when lond days or lifting things a lot.
I got back into BB'ing and gained 40 lbs of muscle over close to a decade.
I had back and other injuries over the yrs, but they always mostly healed, well enough that I got back into the gym.
I was finally granted long term disability so work wasnt stressing back anymore.
Weird that the crazy weights in the gym on a daily basis 2-3 hrs a day didnt have much bearing on my back.
I think I took it too far and recovery might be delayed or never come this time.

I had a bad injury 6-7 yrs ago scapula area, thoracic wedging is what it is, but drs never told me a the time.
I thought it was a muscle tear.
I took 5 yrs off from the gym, but went back to it 2 yrs ago. Started getting bigger again, and then 11 months ago woke up messed up and couldnt move and ridiculous pain like I never felt.
I slept on the floor for a few days since I couldnt move.

I have issues over most of the back now.
 
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Lucky Luke

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How old are you?

I have had back pain since car wreck in 93
On disability for a yr and wasnt better fully.
Denied SSI initially so went to work and had to deal with it.
Had hard job like maintenance worker and auto service and electrician.

Started to feel better over the yrs but always had trouble sleeping when lond days or lifting things a lot.
I got back into BB'ing and gained 40 lbs of muscle over close to a decade.
I had back and other injuries over the yrs, but they always mostly healed, well enough that I got back into the gym.
I was finally granted long term disability so work wasnt stressing back anymore.
Weird that the crazy weights in the gym on a daily basis 2-3 hrs a day didnt have much bearing on my back.
I think I took it too far and recovery might be delayed or never come this time.

I had a bad injury 6-7 yrs ago scapula area, thoracic wedging is what it is, but drs never told me a the time.
I thought it was a muscle tear.
I took 5 yrs off from the gym, but went back to it 2 yrs ago. Started getting bigger again, and then 11 months ago woke up messed up and couldnt move and ridiculous pain like I never felt.
I slept on the floor for a few days since I couldnt move.

I have issues over most of the back now.
Wrong side of 40.
I hear ya..You have to try and roll out of bed. Riduculas pain even to turn over. Cannot wipe ya arse as it hurts to damn much to twist even that far, walk hunched over like a cripple...I hear ya.
Hanging by my arms helps when i get it bad. Also walking funnily enough..I just have to grit and bear it and walk. Doesn't necessarily mean it will go away but sometimes it does...
I was around 16ish when i was first diagnosed. I would of qualified for a disability pension when i was older but never bothered to take one. Now of cause I wouldn't be.

Just giving you some hope man. Dr's said Id never get better and when i had the lats scans the Dr could not believe i ever had a major problem.. The body is a marvelous thing.
 

☢Smokey♛Dragon♨❀

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Off topic i know but:
Ive suffered from this as well..weirdly the bone regenerated after Degeneration of the disk. I lost 3/4 of the disk and decades later its a full disk again-albeit a weak one.

Was your dad in Vietnam? Its an uncommon disease for the children of Vietnam vets caused by agent orange exposure. (damn Defoliants!!!)

https://www.britannica.com/science/Agent-Orange
My father served in Vietnam I sure hope I don't have this disease, although I do have back problems, but who doesn't now adays
 

bassman999

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Wrong side of 40.
I hear ya..You have to try and roll out of bed. Riduculas pain even to turn over. Cannot wipe ya arse as it hurts to damn much to twist even that far, walk hunched over like a cripple...I hear ya.
Hanging by my arms helps when i get it bad. Also walking funnily enough..I just have to grit and bear it and walk. Doesn't necessarily mean it will go away but sometimes it does...
I was around 16ish when i was first diagnosed. I would of qualified for a disability pension when i was older but never bothered to take one. Now of cause I wouldn't be.

Just giving you some hope man. Dr's said Id never get better and when i had the lats scans the Dr could not believe i ever had a major problem.. The body is a marvelous thing.
I have pain doing all the same things you mentioned.
Mostly I just wear sandals since I cant reach my feet to put my socks on :roll:
Walking is all I can really do and I do it, even if its raining ill walk back and forth in the house, like a caged lion for 30-40 minutes.

Ill try the hanging!
Thats a great idea.
I keep trying to workout because I hate looking in the mirror and seeing muscles go and fat come.

I asked your age thinking maybe you were 20 something and still able to heal but hearing your age does give me some hope!


Ok back to weed topics
Smoking on the same old Jack, but with a mix of Slimer.
Almost gone, but soon to be pulling some SLH so looking forward to that
 
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