So I made myself some CalPhos...

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MANGOBICHE said:
View attachment 3809912 i used around 50-60 mussel shells from a couple plates of dinner i ate of them.....fried em up,,added vinegar followed that uc recipe that was askew a few lol........View attachment 3809909 View attachment 3809910
Apparently i need a camera upgrade..........soon cause im picky when im walkin about having access to capture stuff like this.....
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you can just evaporate it off. if you strain out the shells, then measure their volume, you could evaporate to that same volume and call it a day.
 
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whitebb2727 said:
I meant back off feeding them foliar.
I would just mend her and let her do her thing. Flower is really setting in.
Overall its in good health maybe a little much cal phos on top of the high P and K.
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ah ok thank you! :mrgreen:

Yeah could be I've probably been overdoing it. ;)
I got a bit panicky when she got so big -- remembering how those nl5xhaze clones got rootbound and yellowed off way too early. And I'd like for this one to be happy all the way through lol

Here she is this morning, Day38, 86cm tall, all bandaged up.
(it's not really that dark in the bottom parts)
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Her growth thankfully has begun to slow - she only grew 4cm in the last 24 hrs
May have to do with the fact that she has a lot of branch mending to get done. Ahem.
 
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Day 41, 93cm tall, she's gotten space to grow her main cola between the lights, of which I've removed one of the reflectors, so it still gets a bit of light from the side...
Still on the fence about adding the 4th COB, temps and humidity are just wonderfully stable the way they are now!
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And I'd say, she's crowning, @DonBrennon :D
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Also visible here, one of the 6-7 leaves that are showing these discolorations.
Especially the reddish dry areas, they do send my mind thinking of burning....

But no matter, I have found my style with the smoothie thing.
In future, it will be soil reamendment, worm compost, with AACT and aloe the only foliars.
Still not sure about the kelp, I've mixed some into the soil base I'm preparing for my "soilifying" experiment though :bigjoint:
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And those lovely smoothies, the only problem being fresh supplies half the year lol
Ah, something will come.
But CalPhos foliars are down from the list of things I do, that's certain!

She did get a feeding in the meantime, but just a handful of green tomatoes (from that same proliferous plant she got the shoot juice from haha) pureed in a liter of water.
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That was 2 days ago, and I see her picking up momentum in flowering. It certainly hasn't harmed her.
Cheers! :bigjoint:
 

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Just read through this whole thread, mostly. I had been wanting to do the calphos thing described on the unconventional farmer too. My plants are seemingly showing some calcium and phosphate deficiency. Gunna do a flush today and pH the run off then give some BioBizz bloom feeding a few days after. I'm getting more into the organics and have been studying up here a lot. Going for a fully amended soil with AACT, SST, LABs, Mycos and later down the line hopefully incorporate bokashi, BIM and other homemade goodies. Already incorporating some of those practices now.

Good to know that with egg shells it isn't calphos though. I decided instead to use 4tbsp of bone meal and added organic apple cider vinegar. I don't see a lot of bubbling or reaction happening. Maybe the vinegar I'm using isn't strong enough? I guess I just did this now as an experiment. I dunno if I should wait for several weeks to use it....

I got some rock phosphate that is soluble in weak acid solutions (says citric acid works but wondering if humic/fulvic acids would work) and high P guano (0-7-0) coming in the mail soon anyway.
 

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ColaKoala13 said:
Just read through this whole thread, mostly. I had been wanting to do the calphos thing described on the unconventional farmer too. My plants are seemingly showing some calcium and phosphate deficiency. Gunna do a flush today and pH the run off then give some BioBizz bloom feeding a few days after. I'm getting more into the organics and have been studying up here a lot. Going for a fully amended soil with AACT, SST, LABs, Mycos and later down the line hopefully incorporate bokashi, BIM and other homemade goodies. Already incorporating some of those practices now.

Good to know that with egg shells it isn't calphos though. I decided instead to use 4tbsp of bone meal and added organic apple cider vinegar. I don't see a lot of bubbling or reaction happening. Maybe the vinegar I'm using isn't strong enough? I guess I just did this now as an experiment. I dunno if I should wait for several weeks to use it....

I got some rock phosphate that is soluble in weak acid solutions (says citric acid works but wondering if humic/fulvic acids would work) and high P guano (0-7-0) coming in the mail soon anyway.
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hey hi and welcome to the story of my quests haha
Lovely plans you've got there, it will be an exciting journey, that I can assure you!

Yeah, you know, that was something I was wondering about too.
With the eggshells (and I used organic apple vinegar too, 7,45% acidity), the bubbling went on for a while, but had just about stopped within a few hours. If that is the actual chemical reaction that extracts the phosphate from the bone matter, then why let it sit for any amount of time afterwards? Or does the initially visible reaction continue after? I did see a bit of a color change over time...
@iHearAll can you enlighten us? :bigjoint:
 
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My ACV is 4%... hmmmm


[Edit: update]: I also have some persimmon vinegar that I got recently at the local organic farmer's market. I think its a bit more acidic so I added that to it too.
 
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Oh by the way @calliandra , after reading this thread last night/today and while doing the dishes I paused when about to empty out the water left over from steaming veggies last night. Decided to ferment it along with 3tbsp LAB and some horsetail tea. Your thread was the inspiration :bigjoint:
 

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consider the insides of the solid. they arent going to immediately react when submerged in the solvent. much like making green dragon versus qwiso.

calcium phosphate reportdly precipitates when temperatures increase toward boiling water. so if you wanted to isolate it further to measure your rewards i would compare a day long soak versus a week long soak.

the week long will be greater for sure but i couldn't tell you how if it's really that important. i have used it after the reaction visibly halted and it did still turn around a phos def.

hope that kinda helps.
 
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also, some farm tests have concluded that foliar sprayed calphos doesn't become available in any worth while speeds. keep it in the soil for best results.
 
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iHearAll said:
consider the insides of the solid. they arent going to immediately react when submerged in the solvent. much like making green dragon versus qwiso.

calcium phosphate reportdly precipitates when temperatures increase toward boiling water. so if you wanted to isolate it further to measure your rewards i would compare a day long soak versus a week long soak.

the week long will be greater for sure but i couldn't tell you how if it's really that important. i have used it after the reaction visibly halted and it did still turn around a phos def.

hope that kinda helps.
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Did you use bone meal or egg shells?

Do you think my ACV is too weak of an acid @4% to be effective? Should I try adding a more acidic vinegar and see if it causes a more visible reaction?
 
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ColaKoala13 said:
Did you use bone meal or egg shells?

Do you think my ACV is too weak of an acid @4% to be effective? Should I try adding a more acidic vinegar and see if it causes a more visible reaction?
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I used charred to black crushed with a hammer bones. weighed the powder in grams. measured out that many mililiters. but in reality you'll find this almost always comes out to be such that if you powder the bones and top with vinegar to the same height, its a rough estimate enough. Since you cover the top with paper towels you need to add vinegar periodically to stay true to the approximate concentration. some evaporates.

if done this way 1:100 dilution is a feeding for an adult plant.

original recipe is 1 kilo charred bones in 1 liter of vinegar.

im not terribly sure enough to answer your ACV question. I'd recommend the 1$ gallon of white wine vinegar frm the grocery store over the 2$ a gallon jug of acv lololll joking i have no clue. i'l play with some chem this afternoon and see if i can learn something useful. i have about a kilo of bones in collection by now.
 
iHearAll

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can you measure the pH for me?

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it looks like by various internet pH tests that Braggs (atleast) ACV has a lower pH than white wine vinegar. Also wikipedia says that generic WWV has a 5% acidity. So don't fret it.
 
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