Stephenj37826
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Yes the cree spds are spot on. I've seen them tested under spectrometer. We actually bought a lighting passport and will have it next weekend. We will defiantly contribute as much as we can with it soon.
Testing Timber's prototype=4000k/660nm and my finger on the flower trigger:)
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Randomblame
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I believe to know why we have got so "strange" blue: green: red numbers.
It seems to me the numbers refer to % of lumens/brightness and not to % of total PPF/flux...
In lumens green lights is much brighter than red or blue, this would mean, if the sphere evaluated the blue, green and red ratio in lumens, then these numbers have to be converted to % of PPF.
In this case the 73-77% green from the data refers to "visible light" not "PAR".
Taking this in view, the numbers are much more logical to me, or not?
PSUAGRO.
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Tick,tock,tick,tock....................waiting on the maximizer results?.....................tick,tock
Stephenj37826
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Well this set is back a couple of days. They where able to repair it and we will have results Monday.... F****n UPS....
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sixstring2112
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Should run test both ways,lenses and no lenses so we can have more # to compare against P's tests.
Stephenj37826
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Both ways lol. We need the data to see where we will stand non ar coated and ar coated as well. We are also testing light distribution of the new lens.
PSUAGRO.
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I'm not allowed to have a social life?........was at a party with good eats and drinks, asked the Asian lady her secret and she said "Old Dawg make good soup".........huh, no shit!Oh Brother P I'm Waiting
Tick tock, tick tock.........................lol, I'm such an asshole.
not feeling so hot.......I'm taking another day, update time
Round 2 Day 23 of 14/10 from seed under Timber's cxb 3590 4000k & osram 660/730nm trigger(322w)=== with my "3" god/blue diesel girls.
......straggler shook off whatever was bothering her, too little too late. She will be blocked out by her pot partners ===== survival of the fittest.
.......doing some LST early to avoid later headaches..........using @GreenSanta technique with Velcro straps to the side of fabric pots, still a brilliant find IMO.
.......boring time, starting to smell slightly and will turn on the small ozone generator near the exhaust.@Greengenes707 still waiting on you grower
@The Dawg , I'M NOT WORTHY OF CARRYING EVEN YOUR SPRAY BOTTLE, I thank every day that I'm in the same sub forum as you. My mother doesn't like cannabis but says she would smoke yours due to the level of professionalism in which they are grown. You truly are in a different league then the rest and I'm honored to be surrounded by your greatness.............thanks, no more betting.
be safe and happy growing RIU
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Stephenj37826
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@PSUAGRO. Maximizer now utilizes 3000k 90cri citizen CLU048 1818.
NEW PRICE IS 1299.00 once ETL is finished
These Numbers are from the damaged lamp ran in a Goniophotometer.
Uncertainty if fan was functional. Fan only installed for testing purpose and its wattage is reflected below. Will have fixture back today or tomorrow and will learn more. Thus far photometric data doesn't coincide completely with par testing. We will have a much better grasp of light distribution by the end of the weekend. In my testing with apogee sq-120 I noted numbers that where 5-10% higher than the numbers that we are getting from photometric software..... Time will tell. Some other lighting pros that we all use as a bench mark had made the statement that ITL didn't know how to test horticultural lights properly. In other tests that have been published they showed around 8.5% lower numbers than Bugbee showed on the Gavita 1000 watt DE fixture.
WITH OPTICS
Total Watts 614.2 with 2.5 watts on fan
Total Flux in mW 207,872
Total Lumens 59553
Total PPF 1030
WITHOUT OPTICS
Total Watts 612.9
Total Flux in mW 226,473 with 2.5 watts on fan
Total Lumens 64882
Total PPF 1122
OPTICAL EFFICIENCY WITHOUT AR COATING = 91.8%...... We should see a 2%+ increase in optical efficiency with the AR coating. MOQs are huge for the coating thus the reason we didn't test these new optics with it. We will do a follow up test with the Coated Lenses and post the numbers when available.
So it seems these high quality glass lenses we are using aren't so bad after all.
NEW PRICE IS 1299.00 once ETL is finished
These Numbers are from the damaged lamp ran in a Goniophotometer.
Uncertainty if fan was functional. Fan only installed for testing purpose and its wattage is reflected below. Will have fixture back today or tomorrow and will learn more. Thus far photometric data doesn't coincide completely with par testing. We will have a much better grasp of light distribution by the end of the weekend. In my testing with apogee sq-120 I noted numbers that where 5-10% higher than the numbers that we are getting from photometric software..... Time will tell. Some other lighting pros that we all use as a bench mark had made the statement that ITL didn't know how to test horticultural lights properly. In other tests that have been published they showed around 8.5% lower numbers than Bugbee showed on the Gavita 1000 watt DE fixture.
WITH OPTICS
Total Watts 614.2 with 2.5 watts on fan
Total Flux in mW 207,872
Total Lumens 59553
Total PPF 1030
WITHOUT OPTICS
Total Watts 612.9
Total Flux in mW 226,473 with 2.5 watts on fan
Total Lumens 64882
Total PPF 1122
OPTICAL EFFICIENCY WITHOUT AR COATING = 91.8%...... We should see a 2%+ increase in optical efficiency with the AR coating. MOQs are huge for the coating thus the reason we didn't test these new optics with it. We will do a follow up test with the Coated Lenses and post the numbers when available.
So it seems these high quality glass lenses we are using aren't so bad after all.
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PSUAGRO.
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so citi's not cxbs tested on the maximizer now.................can you give more details?pin sinks,drivers, lenses
AND you know i'm going to ask for the raw data on this^^^^
.. .......64800 lm @ 612w BARE......are you still considering the maximizer a 1 k swap????........we all know the #s on a 600w SE hps and can run it vert/bare with no reflector losses
and no I still wouldn't consider lenses an improvement in most applications
thanks for the data , community appreciates it!!!!
Stephenj37826
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Those numbers are the 90 cri which makes lumen numbers lower. Also we received the unit back and the temporary fan isn't running properly. So the case temps where around 75-80 C........so citi's not cxbs tested on the maximizer now.................can you give more details?pin sinks,drivers, lenses
AND you know i'm going to ask for the raw data on this^^^^
64800 lm @ 612w BARE......are you still considering the maximizer a 1 k swap????........we all know the #s on a 600w SE hps and can run it vert/bare with no reflector losses
and no I still wouldn't consider lenses an improvement in most applications
thanks for the data , community appreciates it!!!!
It got so hot the cobs are discolored.
We will send another one out this week for confirmation.
120 mm pin heat sinks and 2X HLG 320 1400b.
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Stephenj37826
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so citi's not cxbs tested on the maximizer now.................can you give more details?pin sinks,drivers, lenses
AND you know i'm going to ask for the raw data on this^^^^
64800 lm @ 612w BARE......are you still considering the maximizer a 1 k swap????........we all know the #s on a 600w SE hps and can run it vert/bare with no reflector losses
and no I still wouldn't consider lenses an improvement in most applications
thanks for the data , community appreciates it!!!!
Transversely we all know the numbers on SE 1000 ran vert wouldnt that Kong all the LEDs listed as 1000 replacements?
I think there is still more light than shown as this test was flawed unfortunately. I think numbers will be over 1200 PPF easily.
PSUAGRO.
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yikes, with the lenses ON that didn't help the cob temps/voltage drop either............citis should handle 75c with 120mm pin sinks, how long did they run it before taking the data? i'm thinking it got waaaaay hotter
Definite re-test needed, but for now i'm sticking with topbin cxb, they did pretty well with 100mm pins/1400mah and no air movement.......with grow room circulation 4000k bare should break 2ppf/w
A SE 600w hps is more efficient than a SE 1000w hps...........the #s on a vert bare bulb running off a digi ballast in a sphere would probably shock us ..........hahaha
it's just a PITA to run vert/stadium style setups, STILL one of the most efficient ways to grow indoors.
you have to hit 1400+ppf to break 2ppf/w on your cob fixture, that's a big jump........we are starting to realize these packages need to be treated as thermal hogs
good luck and let us know how it goes
BM9AGS
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Best thread on this forum in a long time. Thanks @Stephenj37826 and PSU
The dawg is the best grower in da Hizzy Fo Sho.
The dawg is the best grower in da Hizzy Fo Sho.
optzulu
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From a grower perspective There a Zero grow reports that Show a improve with the high cri colors. But several grow reports that tried It. There was nothing special to see Growmau did even a video grow Report and nothing.
LEDs Started kicking ass when they started to output a heck of lumens for Less power.
LEDs Started kicking ass when they started to output a heck of lumens for Less power.
NapalmD
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I'm flowering 3 plants under CXA3070 3000k 80cri and will be flowering their clones under Vero 3000k 90cri shortly. While it may not be the best comparison using older Crees against the newest Veros, it will still be good to see the difference if any in different cri of the same color temp.
ttystikk
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Yes, it's more efficient, no it isn't more of a PITA anymore. In fact, it's less.
PSUAGRO.
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different strokes for different folks............I found vert/stadium style difficult while trying to hit 1gpw with HID, didn't happen anyway. I'm not a good indoor grower so it makes sense. Doing this shit out of a closet now is easy peasy, the rest forget about it. Cheap soil, perlite, oc+ in my for profit days, hated scrogs and any other labor "intensive" stuff==== lazy, I remember my Innoled 98 cri single cob run, I fucking despised rotating pots........lol
You are a vert veteran, so I can't disagree with you.
It's Sunday sooooooooo update time
Round 2 Day 29 of 14/10 from seed under timber's cxb3590 4000k & osram 660/730nm trigger(322w)== with my "3" god/blue diesel girls.
..........looks ok to me, took well to the LST as always. No signs of sex yet, didn't look that hard either. Will give them their first real feeding next week. Will show how easy it is to follow @multipass method of micronizing the dry plant based ferts in a blade style coffee grinder for quicker breakdown & uptake.
.....probably should raise the fixture, was keeping it close for warmth.........it's about stretch time.@Greengenes707 where are you at buddy?????????? The Dawg misses your left leg
be safe and happy growing RIU