'The Irony Is Delicious..'

[see4]

Are you promoting your thread here? If you were a Trump supporter, you wouldn't be asking. So my advice would be to tell you the election is over. Everybody is exhausted from all that. Give Trump a chance.

Honestly, this is the most rational straight forward answer I've heard from you. It's not bad advice. It's not wonderfully amazing, but it's not bad. Sorry, that's the best you'll get out of me.

 

[StillNotGOP]

. It's not bad advice. It's not wonderfully amazing, but it's not bad. Sorry, that's the best you'll get out of me.

Ok. I was never expecting much anyway. You get to keep your guns, so be happy.

 

[see4]

Ok. I was never expecting much anyway. You get to keep your guns, so be happy.

Let's repeal the assault weapon ban of 86. Now that's a Trump agenda I could get behind.

 

[esh dov ets]

The states where he did best in were ones with large groups of the lower educated underemployed workers or unemployed. The ones that really took the wind out of Clinton's sails were Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania, where there are large numbers of people displaced by the changes to our economy over the past 30 years. As opposed to Colorado, CA, WA and the north eastern states. Those states have been doing OK.

From what you say, Trump won because he won crossover voters from the Democratic party. That was definitely true in WI, MI and OH, where there is also considerable economic hardship. I don't know that the blue collar manufacturing worker in those states were ever radical left. They were from a working class union tradition. That said, WI and MI voted for Sanders in the primary, so maybe I'm just hung up on the term radical left. I think Sanders was more centrist than radical left. His trade policies would have resonated better with them than Clinton's half-hearted concepts that she reluctantly adopted from Bernie. Trump's words seemed to resonate better, that's certain.

CO Democratic voters went strongly to Bernie, I assume that many of these voters are who you allude to as radical left. Bernie won Oregon by pretty good numbers. I can say for a fact that a good number of Oregon's Democratic Party voters are radical left. If what you say is true -- that left wing voters were attracted to Trump -- why then didn't Colorado or Oregon go for Trump in the national election?

What I find hard to believe is that radical left voters were drawn to Trump's rhetoric in large numbers. Partly because the radical left doesn't have large numbers and partly because Trump's racism and other nasty traits are anathema to the left.

one thing to remember or emphasize there is the term radical; although he did not convert radical peace and freedom , green party or aclu justice types he did pull some radicals or free radicals as i will now call them. there was so much information in all shapes and sizes that people where having serious discussions about whether trump was racist or not. my favorite conclusion was he may not be but his message comes out preaching as televangelists preach only preaching to bigots ect. so ok hes not as extremely racist as the people he is calling to vote for him he just has the scruples to shamelessly "lead them on" but a practicing bigot is a bigot even if he is a black jew or an orange monster.
i think his winning was a combination of things but mostly the i just don't trust her campaign. she is less dirty then he for one no dirtier then then half the politicians that come through office that people vote in and love or hate. i think right there is where the trump camp got lucky they rubbed that i just dont trust her campaign in the rawness of seeing such a to good to be true candidate named Bernie actually running a race; getting that far with that message only to then witness the sinking of that presidential ship. One could argue that Bernie succeeded in pushing the quality of life addenda into the main stream. and thats valid. he did lose where trump succeeded in rallying support for his campaign from those that want certain changes to be made around here. trump was by luck or by virtue or design successful in wining this race he said was rigged and maybe he knew how it was rigged and used that to his advantage perhaps thats why he joined the republican party the ones who use voter suppression stratigicly to their advantage. Perhaps he was more of a puppet and people behind the scenes who study crowd psychology where propping him up pushing buttons at the right times. if only there where evidance of say Russia interfering in such a way or if we knew the kkk and some neonazis supported him.

 

[Fogdog]

one thing to remember or emphasize there is the term radical; although he did not convert radical peace and freedom , green party or aclu justice types he did pull some radicals or free radicals as i will now call them. there was so much information in all shapes and sizes that people where having serious discussions about whether trump was racist or not. my favorite conclusion was he may not be but his message comes out preaching as televangelists preach only preaching to bigots ect. so ok hes not as extremely racist as the people he is calling to vote for him he just has the scruples to shamelessly "lead them on" but a practicing bigot is a bigot even if he is a black jew or an orange monster.
i think his winning was a combination of things but mostly the i just don't trust her campaign. she is less dirty then he for one no dirtier then then half the politicians that come through office that people vote in and love or hate. i think right there is where the trump camp got lucky they rubbed that i just dont trust her campaign in the rawness of seeing such a to good to be true candidate named Bernie actually running a race; getting that far with that message only to then witness the sinking of that presidential ship. One could argue that Bernie succeeded in pushing the quality of life addenda into the main stream. and thats valid. he did lose where trump succeeded in rallying support for his campaign from those that want certain changes to be made around here. trump was by luck or by virtue or design successful in wining this race he said was rigged and maybe he knew how it was rigged and used that to his advantage perhaps thats why he joined the republican party the ones who use voter suppression stratigicly to their advantage. Perhaps he was more of a puppet and people behind the scenes who study crowd psychology where propping him up pushing buttons at the right times. if only there where evidance of say Russia interfering in such a way or if we knew the kkk and some neonazis supported him.

I over emphasized "radical left" in my post. I should have said moderate left, liberals or progressives.

I think it comes down to dissatisfaction with the status quo in practically all levels of this society except the establishment elites for themselves. They need to get replaced with better people. Republicans have always been more comfortable with an authoritarian strong man type of leader. Democrats, not so much. As such, it was possible for Trump to dominate the GOP race with his take no prisoners, say anything to get attention style. I think you are on to something when you compare Trump to televangelists. The religious right are used to that kind of messaging and would be more receptive to it than more secular people.

Bernie came on strong but too late in the game in my opinion and there are many here that disagree about what I just said. They think he was shafted by the DNC. Maybe they are right. I'm tired of arguing about that. For what it's worth, I don't think the race was rigged against Hillary either. Sure, Russia and the FBI put their thumbs on the balance also polling actions but I'm skeptical that the entire Rust Belt, Florida, North Carolina and Pennsylvania went Trump's way because Comey waffled about Clinton at the last minute. The kkk and nazis were an amusing side show. I hope they all fall off a cliff and soon but they didn't affect the election either.

I also think people who know him, his family for instance, would laugh at the suggestion of Trump being Putin's puppet. He's definitely Putin's first choice for US Prez. That's fucked up enough.

 

[Fogdog]

Are you promoting your thread here? If you were a Trump supporter, you wouldn't be asking. So my advice would be to tell you the election is over. Everybody is exhausted from all that. Give Trump a chance.

You are not qualified to give anybody advice.

 

[esh dov ets]

Are you promoting your thread here? If you were a Trump supporter, you wouldn't be asking. So my advice would be to tell you the election is over. Everybody is exhausted from all that. Give Trump a chance.

i was promoting my thread here because in that same sentence i was making an observation that was poignant and exclusive to this thread.
if you are tired of this go tend your plants and come back or unwatch if you havn't already. just you know advise

 

[esh dov ets]

I'm "relieved" Trump won. I did not want Hillary as POTUS.

grabbed her by the potus

 

[ArcticGranite]

I think a lot of voters collectively flipped the bird to the establishment.

 

[pergamum362]

Whats with the trump hate everywhere..stop watching cnn/msn/nbc..they are clearly wrong More times then they are right. Now please return your obama phones.

 

[see4]

Whats with the trump hate everywhere..stop watching cnn/msn/nbc..they are clearly wrong More times then they are right. Now please return your obama phones.

*than.

 

[Wavels]

I think a lot of voters collectively flipped the bird to the establishment.

Yes. You are correct.
It really is that simple.

 

[pergamum362]

*than.

That thier is than some good trolln

 

[see4]

That thier is than some good trolln

Nope, was just trying to help you out. Your comment was dumb to begin with, but adding insult to injury you clearly don't know the difference between "then" and "than". Which is really sad, and really telling.

 

[see4]

I think a lot of voters collectively flipped the bird to the establishment.

You're absolutely right. And without thinking about the consequences. Lets hope they're right.

 

[esh dov ets]

Whats with the trump hate everywhere..stop watching cnn/msn/nbc..they are clearly wrong More times then they are right. Now please return your obama phones.

its so funny to hear people call the free phones to users obama phones life line has been around longer then obama i wonder if people are going to call free stuff obama gear from now on when someone goes to shelters and soup kitchens with donations people will yell "come get your obama bag " or at a concert when they give out free weed.

 

[esh dov ets]

*than.

do me

 

[ArcticGranite]

You're absolutely right. And without thinking about the consequences. Lets hope they're right.

The pendulum swings. Our government has checks and balances. Very few presidential actions directly affect my life. We're America. Resilient.

 

[pergamum362]

Nope, was just trying to help you out. Your comment was dumb to begin with, but adding insult to injury you clearly don't know the difference between "then" and "than". Which is really sad, and really telling.

So...what was dumb about my comment? Did you not watch the news at all the last few months?

 

[pergamum362]

So...what was dumb about my comment? Did you not watch the news at all the last few months?

Whats really really sad and telling, is that you think correcting someones grammar on a forum is helping out.